282 - Do Prostate Biopsies Promote the Spread of Cancer Cells?

[Curt]

282 - Do Prostate Biopsies Promote the Spread of Cancer Cells?
Medscape UK Maria Weib 25 October 2024   
https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/do-prostate-biopsies-promote-spread-cancer-cells-2024a1000jj8?ecd=mkm_ret_241117_mscpmrk_onc_prostate_etid7003561&uac=305958HN&impID=7003561&sso=true

For men aged 50-69 years who underwent a one-time prostate-specific antigen (PSA) screening for prostate cancer, a lower prostate cancer-specific mortality was observed after 15 years of follow-up, but the reduction was only slight. Could this be due to the dissemination of cancer cells through prostate biopsies?

Needle Biopsy May Seed Tumour Cells: -

Injury to tumour tissue and its surroundings caused by a biopsy needle can activate macrophages, which promote angiogenesis and tumour cell dissemination.

Circulating Cancer Cells Detectable After Biopsy:

Immediately after a needle biopsy of the prostate, circulating prostate cancer cells can be detected, and the level of increase correlates with shorter progression-free survival. A study of 569 patients with prostate cancer revealed that 70% had disseminated tumour cells in the bone marrow even before undergoing radical prostatectomy. This finding persisted in 57% of the affected patients 20 months after prostatectomy, and it was associated with a nearly sevenfold increase in the risk of recurrence.

[rahab]

I asked my husband’s doctor about this specifically and he said it hasn’t happened to any of his patients.
Hmmmm

[Curt]

You will find that. Thats why I use medical research reports. Credible.
Biopsies are the only recognised procedure for verifying if a mass is cancerous or not. To do this a sample of the tissue is taken To remove a piece of tissue exposes the area to the surrounding environment it so it should be naturally expected. Now the evidence shows that there is a negative impact to the procedre which should be known, recognised and used to adjust the protocols.
The cancer protocol recommends extended treatment even after removal of cancer mass, now why is that? Because there is always the chance of cancerous cells being present.

In another test for a faster method of detecting Prostate Cancer, dry blood is being used (with a dye and 3D imaging). The test takes 15 minutes and is said to be 90% ccurate whereas using blood PSA results is less than 70% accurate. Why is that the case?

New Blood Test Promises Faster Prostate Cancer Detection
Nilima Marshall, Press Association | 02 September 2024
https://www.medscape.co.uk/s/viewarticle/new-blood-test-promises-faster-prostate-cancer-detection-2024a1000fwk?ecd=mkm_ret_241117_mscpmrk_onc_prostate_etid7003561&uac=305958HN&impID=7003561&sso=true

[rahab]

Sounds much better!

Thanks 🙏🏻

[Richard Myers]

We know and have known for over a hundred years that a germ causes cancer. Science today knows viruses cause cancer.  We have a large number of topics on cancer. Search "cancer."   I just looked through the result of that search and found some interesting posts. There is also much that misses the truth. We have all been educated that we needed meat and milk in order to have good health. It is not true. God did not leave us without abundant light. The Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy reveal that not only do we not need the carcass of animals and their products, they are dangerous.

Much has changed regarding  medical science studies since we began discussing Cancer. As time moves on, science is discovering that there is truth in what we have said for over a hundred years.

Flesh was never the best food; but its use is now doubly objectionable, since disease in animals is so rapidly increasing. Those who use flesh foods little know what they are eating. Often if they could see the animals when living and know the quality of the meat they eat, they would turn from it with loathing. People are continually eating flesh that is filled with tuberculous and cancerous germs. Tuberculosis, cancer, and other fatal diseases are thus communicated.  Ministry of Healing, pg 313. 1905

It would be very good to inform family, friends, and church that it is not good to place on the dinner table animals or their milk or eggs. It is very sad to see little children suffering cancer, the most common is Leukemia.  A medical study done at UC Berkely reveals that Bovine Leukemia Virus causes Breast Cancer. The study is 25 years old. Why have over 99% of Americans never heard about the study? The same statistic is found in our churches. USDA inspections have shown that in large dairies almost all of their milk tanks where the milk is stored are infected with Bovine Leukemia Virus (BLV).

[Richard Myers]

Much cancer comes from eating and drinking cancer virus from animals. UC Berkeley found bovine Leukemia Virus in the breast tissue of about half of the breast cancer patients in the study.

The best way to prevent breast cancer is to keep the cancer virus out of your body. An ounce of prevention is worth about 5 tons of cure.

How long have we been warning about the danger of feeding children dairy products?   Read this 25 years ago     All we knew from medical studies then was that markers for Bovine Leukemia Virus was found in breast tissue in about half of the women in the study.  It took them 15 years to report that there is a relationship between BLV and Breast Cancer.

[Richard Myers]

In America Cancer is the second leading cause of death. Like heart disease, it is preventable. Most will get cancer because they continue to eat animals and their eggs and milk. The curse causeless does not come. Cancer is caused by a germ. Stay away from the germs that cause cancer. Here are a few that medical studies show cause cancer.  AIDS, mononucleosis (Epstein-bar virus), Human  Papilloma Virus (HPV), Bovine Leukemia Virus (BLV), Hepatitis B and C viruses, Herpes Virus, and Merkel Cell Polyoma Virus.

[rahab]

As faithful adventists following the health message, we should then die of natural causes right?

[Richard Myers]

That would seem to be true, but we know that we may be born with health problems that cause premature death. And, I did not become a strict vegetarian until i was converted and chose to become a Seventh-day Adventist. Thus, because I did not know better I had eaten animal products filled with germs that may remain in my body. As we age it is natural for the immune system to weaken. It is the result of Adam's sin. God gives us three score and ten. But, there is no reason why most can live longer if they walk in the light God has given. 

We live in a world in which we come into contact with bad water, bad air, and sick people. Thus we are exposed to conditions that can end life before three score and ten. And, many of us will become martyrs. But, yes dear sister, all is under the control of God. If God wants to heal us from what Satan is doing, then yes, many will die from old age which does not seem to be a pleasant experience as vision and hearing diminish. We do not have the blessings of maintaining the strength of these things as we age. At 120 life would be very difficult even if we lived a life in harmony with the light given. Ellen White is a good example. Her body did not heal itself when she broke her hip. It is often the case that a broken hip late in life will lead to death no matter that we love God and walk in the light.

[rahab]

True.  Thank you

[Curt]

Surrey Live Lizzie McAllister • January 14 -
https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/health/common-sign-cancer-shows-up-30775947



A doctor has shared a warning about a common sign of cancer that appears while you sleep. Taking to the MrDr_HQ TikTok page, an expert shared that many patients 'overlook' this critical symptom and end up catching the disease late.

 Experiencing night sweats does not necessarily mean that you have cancer – they can be caused by a number of conditions, as well as by certain medications and alcohol or drug consumption. Some people will even get night sweats for no reason, according to the NHS.

 However, the medical professional stressed that night sweats should be investigated by a doctor, as they could be an early indication of many different forms of cancer. "Night sweats [are] a very, very important symptom that tend to be overlooked by people," he said.

 "The reason why it's so important is that it can be caused by a wide variety of things that can be sinister or dangerous, the first one being blood cancers or malignancies of any type, so any type of cancer can give you night sweats. Additionally, it can be caused by serious infections like TB (tuberculosis)."

 The doctor went on to highlight other conditions that can lead to night sweats, including inflammatory conditions such as lupus or hormonal irregularities. "If you have night sweats, make sure you speak to your doctor about it," he advised.

 NHS guidance states: "Most people sweat during the night. If you regularly wake up with soaking wet sheets you should get it checked by a GP." According to the health service, a GP won't usually treat you for night sweats alone, but they will test for other conditions.

 While night sweats can be an indication of cancer, there are more common factors and conditions that can also result in wet bedsheets and pyjamas. These include the menopause, anxiety, taking certain medicines, such as some antidepressants, steroids and painkillers, low blood sugar (hypoglycaemia), alcohol or drug use, and hyperhidrosis, a harmless condition that causes sufferers to sweat excessively all the time.

[rahab]

Yes

I’ve heard lymphoma might cause night sweats…

[Richard Myers]

Does the body's immune system increase body temperature? Does sweating occur when there is a increase in body temperature?  Why does the immune system increase body temperature? Thus, when the body sweats at night, it most likely caused by the immune system fighting an infection. How often does one have sweating during sleep? It makes sense something is wrong. My next concern would be how often does this happen during sleep? If often, then one ought to be more serious about their lifestyle. Eating food that has virus in it is not safe.  Yes, it is hard to give up something we like, but it is something that would be wise to do. An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure. God is the great physician who heals, but if we will not follow the light, then why would God heal?

[Richard Myers]

We know that a virus can cause cancer.  We have known for a hundred years that a germ causes cancer.

So being ahead of true science in many respects, we ought to better understand what a virus is. Is it a living thing? This is your homework.  Is it or is it not?

To start we know of at least five virus that cause cancer from medical studies. I believe them to be true. One is breast cancer caused by Bovine Leukemia Virus.

[Dorine]

Viruses aren’t living organisms. But there’s some debate over this. Generally, biologists don’t consider viruses to be alive because they can’t perform the functions that living organisms do. For instance, they can’t convert food into energy (metabolism) and they can’t live or reproduce without a host cell.

On the other hand, they can reproduce in the right host cell and they evolve over time to survive. Plus, they can damage and destroy host cells to do so. Because of this, many consider them a “gray area” between living and nonliving things. --Cleveland Clinic

[Curt]

In the "right host cell" implies that it is in an environment that is conducive to its growth. So we need to have three (3) definitions. What is a living organism and what is a virus?

What is a living "organism"?
The consensus is that an organism is a life form that can react to stimuli, grow, reproduce and maintain cellular equilibrium.
https://www.sciencing.com/organism-definition-types-characteristics-examples-13719215/

A living thing pertains to any organism or a life form that possesses or shows the characteristics of life or being alive. The fundamental characteristics are as follows: having an organized structure, requiring energy, responding to stimuli and adapting to environmental changes, and being capable of reproduction, growth, movement, metabolism, and death. Currently, living things are classified into three (3) Domains: (Eu)Bacteria (true bacteria), Archaea (archaebacteria), and Eucarya (eukaryotes).

What is a Virus?
https://www.genome.gov/genetics-glossary/Virus
A virus is an infectious microbe consisting of a segment of nucleic acid (either DNA or RNA) surrounded by a protein coat. A virus cannot replicate alone; instead, it must infect cells and use components of the host cell to make copies of itself. Often, a virus ends up killing the host cell in the process, causing damage to the host organism.

Are Viruses Living Organisms?
https://www.sciencing.com/organism-definition-types-characteristics-examples-13719215/
Scientists debate whether viruses meet the definition of a living thing.

On the one hand, viruses have genetic material and perform life functions such as self-replication. On the other hand, viruses are not comprised of cells, and they don't metabolize food, maintain homeostasis or grow larger.
Research is ongoing to determine if viruses can respond to stimuli.

So the difference is whether an organism can replicate by itself. Viruses cannot but they actively "steal" from the host cells and it uses the host material to make copies. That implies some sort of intelligence and since it replicates in this special way only, but it replicates it can be classified as "living"

Hope that helps. But ... on to Brother Richard's point

[Richard Myers]

Thank you, dear brother and sister! You both are right. It makes no difference whether is it living or not. What we want to know and share is that a virus causes cancer. It can indeed reproduce by its ability to do so through a living cell. As we study this, I do not see how we can come to any other understanding that a virus that hijacks a living cell is diabolical. It is most interesting to see how it uses things found in a cell to actually get to the point where it can reproduce its DNA and spread throughout the body.

What is cancer? From Cleveland Clinic:


Cancer is a large group of diseases with one thing in common: They happen when normal cells become cancerous cells that multiply and spread. Your genes send instructions to your cells — like when to start and stop growing, for example. Normal cells follow these instructions, but cancer cells ignore them.


We can now say that when a virus enters a normal cell it will use the cell to reproduce its DNA which in turns infects new cells.

If we want to prevent the spread of cancer, we need to keep the virus out of the body. Does the body have a method to kill the virus? It must since many who are infected with a virus that we know causes cancer do not develop cancer. We are wonderfully and fearfully. Our immune system can prevent Covid Virus from spreading. Many are infected with the Bovine Leukemia Virus that do not get breast cancer when others do.

It appears that God has given us an immune system that can protect cells from viral infections even when the virus has entered the body. 

[Richard Myers]

Once the virus gains entrance into the body, even if the immune system prevents the spread of disease, there are virus that lay dormant and spread disease at a later time. Thus, we ought to not relax thinking we are safe. In American society most have been infected with virus that can cause cancer. We know that cancer is generally found in the elderly. But, we also know that cancer is active in all ages. From what we now know a compromised immune system allows the virus to infect cells and they can reproduce rapidly.

Because virus can lay dormant for many years it explains why cancer appears as the immune system weakens as we grow older. But, not  all of the elderly die from cancer. We can assume that there are two reason why. First, they prevent the virus from entering their body and secondly they maintain a strong immune system.

When we study our Bibles, we find that God has given to us great light that when followed leads to strong immune system. In the beginning God made man to live forever. The diet in the beginning was given in Scripture and was such  that it would enable man to live forever as long as man did not eat from the forbidden fruit. After sin, the diet made one small change, he could eat the greens given to the animals for their diet. Then after 1600 years, He gave to man another larger change in diet. He allowed man to eat the flesh of animals, cl..ean animals which are name in the Bible. When this happened the span of life for man was reduce from about 900 years to 120.

Then later God set the age of man to three score and ten, 70 years. Because of sin, many do not live to by 70. Because of the light given to man, if followed some will live beyond three score and ten. Our discussion on virus and cancer which the second leading cause of death in America, will help us to better understand what we can do that will enable many to live beyond 70 years. Diet is not all, but it is surely an important part in being free from disease.

The ability for virus to lay dormant is not completely understood, but there is a lot of interest in the subject. From  the National Institutes of Health-Pub Med:

Latent viral infections of the nervous system: Role of the host immune response
M Lafon 1

PMCID: PMC7118798  PMID: 19906390
Abstract

Viruses that infect the nervous system may cause acute, chronic or latent infections. Despite the so-called immunoprivileged status of the nervous system, immunosurveillance plays an important role in the fate of viral infection of the brain. Herpes simplex virus 1 (HSV-1) persists in the nervous system for the life of the host with periodic stress induced reactivation that produces progeny viruses. Prevention of reactivation requires a complex interplay between virus neurons, and immune response. New evidence supports the view that CD8+T cells employing both lytic granule- and IFN-gamma-dependent effectors are essential in setting up and maintaining HSV-1 latency. HSV-1 infection of the nervous system can be seen as a parasitic invasion which leaves the individual at risk for subsequent reactivation and disease. The recent observation that herpes virus latency may confer protection against experimental bacterial infection suggests that unexpected symbiosis may exist between latent viruses and the infected nervous system of its host.

Stress is not the only thing that will reactivate a viral infection. As we continue our study we shall find that the light we have been given as a people will be very helpful in not only preventing cancer, but can keep the cancer virus from reactivation.

[Richard Myers]

The ability of a virus to enter a cell and use the equipment in the cell to replicate the virus' DNA or RNA is not a miracle or happenstance. It is diabolical. It did not happen by accident, but a very clever evil one did it. Our Lord and Savior is the great Physician and He holds our health in His hands, but with our cooperation. The immune system He created He will use.

A short explanation of how the virus works:   https://biologyinsights.com/viral-life-cycle-entry-replication-synthesis-assembly-release/

While science is making headway in knowing a germ can cause cancer, we ought to be thankful for our knowledge which goes back a hundred years when warned not to eat the carcass of an animal nor it eggs or milk.

[Curt]

Science agrees that Diet has a lot to do with cancer protection. The following article strengthens why a Plant Based diet is cancer protective. Our internal bacteria community changes and we host less bacteria linked to cancers.

The article makes an important differentiation between PLANT BASED and MEDITERRANEAN diets as a Mediterranean diet is not all plant based and conjurs the image of humus and parsley. The protective benefits are found in a PLANT BASED DIET.
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283. Growing Evidence Suggests Plant-Based Diets Reduce Cancer Risk

MEDSCAPE Tara Haelle, January 16, 2025
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/growing-evidence-suggests-plant-based-diets-reduce-cancer-2025a100011d?ecd=mkm_ret_250126_mscpmrk_onc_breast_etid7184572&uac=305958HN&impID=7184572


When it comes to naming the dietary patterns offering the most protection against cancer, plant-based diets emerge as the winner for reducing the risk for several cancers sensitive to lifestyle factors.

Most recently, for example, a study published on January 6 (2025) in Nature Microbiology compared the microbiomes of vegans, vegetarians, and omnivores across five cohorts totaling 21,561 individuals. Omnivores had more bacteria linked to increased risk for colon cancer, the researchers found, and microbes with favorable cardiometabolic markers were particularly plentiful in vegans’ microbiomes. But those healthy microbes in vegans also appeared in greater amounts in the microbiomes of omnivores who ate more plant-based foods..........

Digestive system cancers, including cancers of the esophagus, stomach, colon, rectum, liver, and possibly pancreas, appear to be the cancer types where plant-based diets are most beneficial for reducing risk, Edward Giovannucci, MD, a professor of epidemiology and nutrition at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, said. They also might be protective against breast and prostate cancer, but again, evidence is still accruing, Giovannucci said. One 2023 study, for example, found plant-based diets reduce risk for recurrence of prostate cancer.