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Title: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: R Myers on October 18, 2000, 06:52:00 AM
Tradition


     The scribes and Pharisees, expecting to see Jesus at the Passover, had laid a trap for Him. But Jesus, knowing their purpose, had absented Himself from this gathering. "Then came together unto Him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes." As He did not go to them, they came to Him. For a time it had seemed that the people of Galilee would receive Jesus as the Messiah, and that the power of the hierarchy in that region would be broken. The mission of the twelve, indicating the extension of Christ's work, and bringing the disciples more directly into conflict with the rabbis, had excited anew the jealousy of the leaders at Jerusalem. The spies they sent to Capernaum in the early part of His ministry, who had tried to fix on Him the charge of Sabbathbreaking, had been put to confusion; but the rabbis were bent on carrying out their purpose. Now another deputation was sent to watch His movements, and find some accusation against Him. 
     As before, the ground of complaint was His disregard of the traditional precepts that encumbered the law of God. These were professedly designed to guard the observance of the law, but they were regarded as more sacred than the law itself. When they came in collision with the commandments given from Sinai, preference was given to the rabbinical precepts.
     Among the observances most strenuously enforced was that of ceremonial purification. A neglect of the forms to be observed before eating was accounted a heinous sin, to be punished both in this world and in the next; and it was regarded as a virtue to destroy the transgressor. 
     The rules in regard to purification were numberless. The period of a lifetime was scarcely sufficient for one to learn them all. The life of those who tried to observe the rabbinical requirements was one long struggle against ceremonial defilement, an endless round of washings and purifications. While the people were occupied with trifling distinctions, and observances which God had not required, their attention was turned away from the great principles of His law.
     Christ and His disciples did not observe these ceremonial washings, and the spies made this neglect the ground of their accusation. They did not, however, make a direct attack on Christ, but came to Him with criticism of His disciples. In the presence of the multitude they said, "Why do Thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread." 
     Whenever the message of truth comes home to souls with special power, Satan stirs up his agents to start a dispute over some minor question. Thus he seeks to attract attention from the real issue. Whenever a good work is begun, there are cavilers ready to enter into dispute over forms or technicalities, to draw minds away from the living realities. When it appears that God is about to work in a special manner for His people, let them not be enticed into a controversy that will work only ruin of souls. The questions that most concern us are, Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law? "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life." "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments." John 3:36; 1 John 2:3. 
     Jesus made no attempt to defend Himself or His disciples. He made no reference to the charges against Him, but proceeded to show the spirit that actuated these sticklers for human rites. He gave them an example of what they were repeatedly doing, and had done just before coming in search of Him. "Full well ye reject the commandment of God," He said, "that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honor thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: but ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. And ye suffer him no more to do aught for his father or his mother." They set aside the fifth commandment as of no consequence, but were very exact in carrying out the traditions of the elders. They taught the people that the devotion of their property to the temple was a duty more sacred than even the support of their parents; and that, however great the necessity, it was sacrilege to impart to father or mother any part of what had been thus consecrated. An undutiful child had only to pronounce the word "Corban" over his property, thus devoting it to God, and he could retain it for his own use during his lifetime, and after his death it was to be appropriated to the temple service. Thus he was at liberty, both in life and in death, to dishonor and defraud his parents, under cover of a pretended devotion to God. 
     Never, by word or deed, did Jesus lessen man's obligation to present gifts and offerings to God. It was Christ who gave all the directions of the law in regard to tithes and offerings. When on earth He commended the poor woman who gave her all to the temple treasury. But the apparent zeal for God on the part of the priests and rabbis was a pretense to cover their desire for self-aggrandizement. The people were deceived by them. They were bearing heavy burdens which God had not imposed. Even the disciples of Christ were not wholly free from the yoke that had been bound upon them by inherited prejudice and rabbinical authority. Now, by revealing the true spirit of the rabbis, Jesus sought to free from the bondage of tradition all who were really desirous of serving God. 
     "Ye hypocrites," He said, addressing the wily spies, "well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto Me with their mouth, and honoreth Me with their lips; but their heart is far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." The words of Christ were an arraignment of the whole system of Pharisaism. He declared that by placing their requirements above the divine precepts the rabbis were setting themselves above God. 
     The deputies from Jerusalem were filled with rage. They could not accuse Christ as a violator of the law given from Sinai, for He spoke as its defender against their traditions. The great precepts of the law, which He had presented, appeared in striking contrast to the petty rules that men had devised. 
     To the multitude, and afterward more fully to His disciples, Jesus explained that defilement comes not from without, but from within. Purity and impurity pertain to the soul. It is the evil deed, the evil word, the evil thought, the transgression of the law of God, not the neglect of external, man-made ceremonies, that defiles a man.
     The disciples noted the rage of the spies as their false teaching was exposed. They saw the angry looks, and heard the half-muttered words of dissatisfaction and revenge. Forgetting how often Christ had given evidence that He read the heart as an open book, they told Him of the effect of His words. Hoping that He might conciliate the enraged officials, they said to Jesus, "Knowest Thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?" 
     He answered, "Every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." The customs and traditions so highly valued by the rabbis were of this world, not from heaven. However great their authority with the people, they could not endure the testing of God. Every human invention that has been substituted for the commandments of God will be found worthless in that day when "God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." Ecclesiastes 12:14.
     The substitution of the precepts of men for the commandments of God has not ceased. Even among Christians are found institutions and usages that have no better foundation than the traditions of the fathers. Such institutions, resting upon mere human authority, have supplanted those of divine appointment. Men cling to their traditions, and revere their customs, and cherish hatred against those who seek to show them their error. In this day, when we are bidden to call attention to the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, we see the same enmity as was manifested in the days of Christ. Of the remnant people of God it is written, "The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17. 
     But "every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." In place of the authority of the so-called fathers of the church, God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, "I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts." Psalm 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, "In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." 


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"But 'every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.' In place of the authority of the so-called fathers of the church, God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, 'I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts.' Ps. 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, 'In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.'"
Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Kellee on October 19, 2000, 02:19:00 AM

(1) "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments."

This struck me anew: the commandments aren't ultimately designed as laws for us to obey. But before you begin to stone me for heresy, let me explain what I mean. Of course we obey the commandments! We will naturally obey them as God changes us. Because the commandments are simply a reflection of God's character, and as He restores us to the image of Himself, we will naturally keep the commandments because they will become our own nature.

More than just a set of laws for the sake of making laws, though, I think the commandments are more like a mirror. In the above statement, we see that it is by keeping His commandments that we know that we know Jesus. Keeping His commandments doesn't come in place of knowing Jesus, it comes as a result of knowing Jesus. The law was given so we could see what God is like and then see how horribly we were falling short of the ideal! But God has never asked us to come to the commandments to find salvation or perfection. He asks us to come to Him to find salvation and perfection. He will do His good work in His own time.

When we come and surrender to Him, He is the one who changes us. Like I've said before, I don't care what He's doing or how fast He's doing it, I know that it will be fine craftsmanship when He's through!  ;D And however long it takes, it's certainly worth waiting for. In the meantime, as I spend time with God and get to know Him, I can't help but love Him - He's so irresistible! And when I love Him, I can't help but completely trust Him. In completely trusting Him, He's free to do whatever He will with my life, and hopefully for me that means changing me to the point where I keep all the commandments. That's how good I want to be!

If I focus on the commandments, I've gone all wrong. But I know that I know God when I want to keep the commandments. I recognize His picture in them, and that's exactly what I want to be like! And He promises that's exactly what I'm gonna get to be like! But He's the one who changes me. It's just my privilege to know Him.

Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on October 23, 2000, 06:28:00 AM
Sister Kellee, we surely do agree on an important point. When we love God, when we really know Him and give ourselves to Him, we will keep the commandments.  Now we need to reason a little further, for the inverse is true. If we do not keep the commandments it is because we do not love God enough. Also, your attitude towards not being discouraged because you do not keep the commandments is good. If you can understand that you do not love God with all the heart then you will continue to strive to know God and to love Him. He will keep His promise to give you a new heart that will love Him fully.

We just need to keep this in balance. There are many who go off in either direction. They believe they are "saved" prior to a whole surrender, or they get discouraged when they find out they fall short. God will give us grace to overcome sin, to keep His commandments!
Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Kellee on October 24, 2000, 03:43:00 AM
Richard,

If you mean to ask am I saved before I am fully keeping all the commandments? Absolutely. This may be a point we agree on.

Trust in God is what saves me in my relationship with Him. If I am fully open to Him, He can teach me anything and therefore, I am savable.

However, the process of coming to the point where the commandments are all written on my heart may be a long process. But that is God's work - not mine. If I truly trust in Him, I am saved from that moment on. That trust will then lead to God being able to work in my life and change me completely.

Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on October 24, 2000, 07:14:00 AM
Sister Kellee, the "new birth" is a  transformation of nature.  The butterfly that came from a caterpillar is not the same. Self is dead when we surrender to Jesus. You and I cannot change ourselves. The struggle you are talking about, the change that needs to be done, cannot be done by us.  When we come to Jesus just as we are and make a WHOLE surrender to Him it is Jesus that lives, not I.

The discussion you and I are having is at the heart of the division in the church. There are many as yourself who do not believe that Jesus gives power to overcome all known sin at conversion. There are others who actually change the definition of sin, so as to be able to "keep" the commandments of God (Pharisees).

We have much in common and as we go forward we shall see this power and need of it spoken of over and over. It is a blessing in that you acknowledge Ellen White as a prophet and value her writings. It will help to bring us into unity on this most important doctrine upon which rests the entire plan of salvation. A misunderstanding here helps to perpetuate the Laodicean condition in the church.  Many believe as you do and therefore it is easy for them to believe they are rich and increased with goods, but to not realize they are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked. They believe they are in a "saved" condition prior to giving their whole heart to Christ. Jesus stands at the door of the heart in this situation asking to come in.

We are not justified in our sins. We must confess and forsake them. This we shall do when Jesus has the heart. It is the power of Christ revealed in the life. It is Christ that gives repentance and power to overcome sin. If we are sinning, then He is not in the heart. No need to be discouraged for the solution is available. We must come to Jesus just as we are and believe in His power and in His love.

When we keep the commandments we are really loving God and our neighbor and this is the requirement for eternal life. "If you love me keep my commandments."   "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:3. "Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee." Deuteronomy 6:17.

"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man." Ecclesiastes 12:13. If you find fault with the old testament as do many in the "evangelical" churches, then listen to the Words of Jesus. "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."  Matthew 9:17.

And the inspired New Testament Words of John "And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight." 1 John 3:22. Lest any would dare suggest that these verses are teaching salvation by works, they are not. They merely demonstrate a real belief in Christ. Those that really love Jesus with the whole heart will THEN have power to obey the commandments. This is what it means to love our neighbor as ourselves. Those that make excuses for not loving others have no excuse. Jesus is willing and able to give them new hearts filled with His love. There is no excuse for sinning, for breaking the commandments of God.<P>Let us come to Jesus today and by feeding upon Him and by beholding Him we shall be changed into His character. 
Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Kellee on October 25, 2000, 01:10:00 AM
Richard,

I guess this is one of those times when we'll just have to disagree. You believe what you believe and I believe what I believe.

The only requirement for salvation is an open heart to Jesus, a willingness to listen. In other words, "God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever BELIEVES in Him will not perish but have everlasting life."

I think it really is as simple as that. Sometimes it's discouraging to post here. It seems that I want to focus solely on God and you want to keep turning that focus around to the works I'm doing in my life. I'm sorry, but I think that kind of focus gets us into trouble.

You'll have to forgive me in the future if I don't post responses to what you've written - I simply don't have the time or energy to answer everything. And since I don't think it's my job to convince you anyway, I'll leave that up to the Holy Spirit!  ;D

Kellee

Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on October 26, 2000, 08:14:00 PM
Sister Kellee, I appreciate the times you focus on the life of Jesus. It is when you begin to change what is written that I feel compelled to correct what you say. The commentary you make in some cases undoes the plain simple truth. You have a message you are intent on expressing. It goes beyond what is written in The Desire of Ages, or the Bible, or the Spirit of Prophecy. It is not peculiar to you only. There are others that believe as you do. It is not a teaching that you will find here at The Remnant Online.

Other ministries may be allowing you to post these messages without question, but you may not continue to do so here. If you are not prepared to enter into conversation on what you are teaching, then there is no point in continuing to post. We do not offer you a platform to continue teaching error. There is much truth and much beauty in what you say, but it only makes the error harder to discern.

You are welcome to continue posting, but you may not continue to "teach" the doctrines that are contrary to what we believe. A church functions much the same way as we do. All are not allowed to  preach from the pulpit whatever doctrines they believe that are contrary to what the church holds to be truth.

In summary, Seventh-day Adventists believe that in 1844 the investigative judgment began. The record of each person's deeds is compared to the law of God, including their thoughts. In order to be admitted to heaven, there must be a life in harmony with the law of God. The character will not be changed when Jesus comes, it is to be changed now, by the power of God's grace. You have been teaching contrary to this.

When the wicked who have rejected God's grace  pass the close of probation they will meet with the wrath of God unmingled with mercy. This is not redemptive for probation has closed. When the wicked are raised after the thousand years they will each suffer for each sin. God will not cut their punishment short, but each will live and feel pain until they have suffered for each sin. Jesus took this upon Himself prior to His death. We do not want to undo the power of the knowledge of His suffering in our behalf. It is called grace.<P>Please do not provide commentary contrary to these truths. Please do continue to encourage all to behold Jesus and by beholding Him become changed. This is the key to obtaining the  power to love as Jesus loves, for this is what it means to keep the commandments, to be a Christian. We may know we have passed from death to life by the love we have for the brethren. If we have not this love, then we can be certain we need to have Jesus living in our hearts. This He is willing to do if we will just come to Him just as we are.
Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Kellee on October 30, 2000, 06:51:00 AM
Dear Richard,

This will be my last post anywhere on this forum. You have made it clear to me that you don't wish for my company if I do not conform to your beliefs. And since I can't do that, I will have to go.

The ways in which you have responded to some of my posts have always been gracious, indeed. Yet, you twist my words and attribute beliefs to me that I have never said. This makes me sad, and something in my carnal nature wants to rise up and defend myself, but I have no ultimate desire to do that. In truth, it matters little what you think of me. I am not jealous for my reputation. I am jealous for God's reputation. Which brings me to this:

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When the wicked who have rejected God's grace pass the close of probation they will meet with the wrath of God unmingled with mercy. This is not redemptive for probation has closed. When the wicked are raised after the thousand years they will each suffer for each sin. God will not cut their punishment short, but each will live and feel pain until they have suffered for each sin.
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I am more sorry than I can tell you that this is your picture of God. I sincerely hope it is not shared by everyone on this forum and certainly not by the majority of today's Adventists. If it is, we still have a very long way to go.

I think what you have described above is a Satanic picture of God. If you are correct and this is truly what God is like, then I will be one of those He tortures and executes in the flames because I would rather die than live with a God like that for all eternity.

You're asking people to believe that God will inflict more pain and torture than someone like Hitler ever did. Hitler, who made the Jews to suffer the worst kinds of human torture, whom we despise and discuss the kind of punishment that he certainly deserves. But you ask people to believe that God will visit pain a million times more horrible on Hitler for no redemptive purpose, and then I'm supposed to love God? That is so sad.

It breaks my heart to see what kind of a person you believe God to be. I am sorry for you, but at the same time I'm glad that He's not that kind of person at all. He really isn't the kind of person Satan wants us to believe He is.

It strikes me as ironic that 2000 years ago, the religious people of the day, GOD'S OWN PEOPLE wanted so much for Him to be everything He wasn't.

They wanted Him to take vengeance, they wanted Him to restore order through force, they wanted Him to come as a crushing King and use His terrible power to destroy the opposition.

And you know what? THEY were the opposition. They didn't like the truth about who God was, so they killed Him. God's loving character was OFFENSIVE to them. How sad!

This is even more sad: The truth about who God is is apparently just as offensive today among His own people as it was 2000 years ago.

Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on October 30, 2000, 10:50:00 AM
Dear Sister Kellee, I am sorry that we cannot come into unity on the gospel.  We have allowed much time to try and do so. It has been apparent from the beginning that you believe as you do, but we allowed for an opportunity to come together. The Desire of Ages is in no need of commentary, but is simple to understand if taken in context. You have been reading things into what is being said.

We have not asked you to stop posting what is written, only to stop posting what is not written, what cannot be supported from the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy. I am happy that we have been able to discuss our differences in a Christian manner and that you respect our responsibilities as to what we allow to be "taught" here online. I will keep you in my prayers and I know many others will also. I believe your assessment of this one truth is just right and if you are true to it, we shall meet one another on that sea of glass.  When we come and surrender to Him, He is the one who changes us.

Like I've said before, I don't care what He's doing or how fast He's doing it, I know that it will be fine craftsmanship when He's through!     And however long it takes, it's certainly worth waiting for. In the   meantime, as I spend time with God and get to know Him, I can't help but love Him - He's so irresistible! And when I love Him, I can't help but completely trust Him. In completely trusting Him, He's free to do whatever He will with my life, and hopefully for me that means  changing me to the point where I keep all the commandments.
Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on October 30, 2000, 11:31:00 AM
Brothers and Sisters in the Lord, it is with a heavy heart that I have had to speak such as I have with Sister Kellee. Her teaching is not isolated to herself, but is rampant within the church. It has been gaining popularity for a number of years. The "God does not punish" theme has many variances, but all are rooted in error.

For some who may not understand the issue clearly, I will share a few quotes. It can then be seen that the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy clearly teach of God's retributive justice.

"And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb." Rev. 14:9,10.

"Very few realize the sinfulness of sin; they flatter themselves that God is too good to punish the offender. But the cases of Miriam, Aaron, David, and many others show that it is not a safe thing to sin against God in deed, in word, or even in thought. God is a being of infinite love and compassion, but He also declares Himself to be a 'consuming fire, even a jealous God'" RH Aug. 14, 1900.

"The death of Christ was to be the convincing, everlasting argument that the law of God is as unchangeable as His throne. The agonies of the Garden of Gethsemane, the insult, the mockery, and abuse heaped upon God's dear Son, the horrors and ignominy of the crucifixion, furnish sufficient and thrilling demonstration that God's justice, when it punishes, does the work thoroughly. The fact that His own Son, the Surety for man, was not spared, is an argument that will stand to all eternity before saint and sinner, before the universe of God, to testify that He will not excuse the transgressor of His law. Every offense against God's law, however minute, is set down in the reckoning, and when the sword of justice is taken in hand, it will do the work for impenitent transgressors that was done to the divine Sufferer. Justice will strike; for God's hatred of sin is intense and overwhelming." MS 58, 1897.

"His [Christ's] object was to reconcile the prerogatives of Justice and Mercy, and let each stand separate in its dignity, yet united. His mercy was not weakness, but a terrible power to punish sin because it is sin; yet a power to draw to it the love of humanity. Through Christ, Justice is enabled to forgive without sacrificing one jot of its exalted holiness.

Justice and Mercy stood apart, in opposition to each other, separated by a wide gulf. The Lord our Redeemer clothed His divinity with humanity, and wrought out in behalf of man a character that was without spot or blemish. He planted His cross midway between heaven and earth, and made it the object of attraction which reached both ways, drawing both Justice and Mercy across the gulf. Justice moved from its exalted throne, and with all the armies of heaven approached the cross. There it saw One equal with God bearing the penalty for all injustice and sin. With perfect satisfaction Justice bowed in reverence at the cross, saying, It is enough". MS 94, 1899

Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Liane H on November 05, 2000, 04:42:00 PM
In closing for myself -- is it not a wonder that 2000 years ago they were looking for a king and missed the Carpenter, but today they see the carpenter but are missing the King.

Liane

 

Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on November 05, 2000, 05:02:00 PM
Amen, Sister Liane, amen.  He is indeed the King of Kings and we shall honor and praise Him as unworthy as we are!
Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Dugald T Lewis MD on November 05, 2000, 09:25:00 PM
Dear Brother Richard,

Like many others, I have watched the dialogue and your patience in dealing with the young lady must be commended. I am shocked to see how readily strange fire is espoused by many so called SDA's today.

If people truly accepted the SOP, we wouldn't have all this confusion. But, we know what will happen and we will not be surprised at the spurious doctrines that will emerge all over the world.  

A hatred for sin is what must be developed in God's people today. This is what sanctification is all about. It makes you wonder what is being preached in the puplits of our churches today.

I have to say that my experience with many British Adventists has been revealing for major theological flaws. Britian is a very secular country and the purity of the gospel appears to have a tough time taking root there. Let us pray that the sister will one day come to the truth as it is in Jesus.

Sincerely
Dugald  


Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Joan Rügemer on November 06, 2000, 02:09:00 AM

.....All which was written in this thread by our Brother R.Meyers has been in sound judgement, and according to the WHOLE bible counsel of revelation about the will and character of God.

R.M. has written in the spirit of loving concern. He has been true to the doctrinal standard as given clearly within the many parables and allergories of Jesus'Christ, teaching on the punishment of the rebellious to the will and character of the Law of God.

The purposes of learning lessons out of the O.T. stories is expedient for shaping a clearer understanding of the Character of God which knows no shadow of turning in change.

The same Spirit, Lord and God of the O.T. is in the fullness of Christ Himself.

The judgements in the books of the Daniel, Ezekial, Isaiah, Revelation, speak firmly about actual punishment for wickedness and unbelief in the sovereign rule of God over one's life.

I have lived three and half years in Britian. I love the people dearly. The children get the usual sweet-gentle-Jesus and God-is-there-as-a-nice-grandpa-giving-presents exposure in 'sundayschool'. But nothing further in direction of brimstone and fire is mentioned. The God of many I met there was extreme generous in overlooking the weaknesses of most all people. This came through in gentle conversations about spiritual things. Because I was not with the SDA's there I can not report how our young people are growing up in knowledge of bible truths or SOP teaching.

All over the land, many many churches have been bought up by commercial intersts. Bingo halls, pub's, resturants or storage houses have been made out of them. The churches in most small towns have on the average 10-12 members showing up for worship services these last few years. This I have seen with my own eyes on a three week trip there last April.

The Charismatic movement has made headway amongst the younger ones who do still seek for spiritual experience in direction of God and worshipping him. Only by preaching and teaching along the same lines as Kellee's emphasis in a part-wise true but onesided way, do the Charismatics groups remain functioning as a body. If they were to put the elements in their teaching of judgement and rejection of those who do not hold to the teaching of Jesus concerning keeping the commandments, they too would loose a lot of followers.

Joan

Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on November 06, 2000, 05:00:00 AM
Thank you, Dr. Dugald and Sister Joan. Ordinarily I would not want the encouragement myself, but in this case there are many reading and some are still deceived as to what is truth. You both have not supported "Richard", but are standing for truth. It is important that all be counted on the Lord's side because we have such a wide division on these subjects. As I have shared, this is not an isolated teaching, but one that has gained wide acceptance.

What is happening in England is happening in Australia and the United States also. From my understanding, Sister Kellee did not learn this (God does not punish) in England, but in the United States. As for the teaching that one may be saved while transgressing the law of God, this is being actively promoted all over the world.

Thank you, heavenly Father for the light given. May we be filled with your Spirit that we might rightly represent your character before a world that is soon to perish. The world will know we are your disciples by the love we have one for another. Give us this love today we pray in the precious name of Jesus, amen.

Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Joan Rügemer on November 06, 2000, 08:04:00 AM
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. (1 Timothy 4:1 NIV)

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. (2 Timothy 4:3 NIV)

For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. (2 Corinthians 11:4 NIV)

And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.  It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. (2 Corinthians 11 NIV)
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The true Church that perseveres in the faith cannot fall. But 2Thessalonians 2 clearly points to a rebellion\falling away in which much of the visible entity 'called' the church becomes a counterfeit of the truth, by throwing truth to the ground to follow miracles and wonders as a guide to truth.

The fallacy of thinking show itself in such statements like ..."A God of Love won't allow terrible things happen"  The pity of it is those called by His name saying such are deeply deluded. Let's look at the original 'House of God'...the Jewish folk. He has judged those "in his house" 3 times past; by Nebuchadnezzar, the Romans and the Nazis. When the house of God gets into deep trouble it runs the risk of being judged as the Jews were. There is a warning to the church in all of those events.

For if God did not spare the natural branches (the Jews), he will not spare you either (an apostate church). (Romans 11:21 NIV)

One could consider that the transitions of happenings with most of the people 'called out by God' landed often in deep apostasy.
"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation. I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm-- neither hot nor cold-- I am about to spit you out of my mouth."

God can and does judge His own people radically. He has done it before, and if our church continues to sin openly, there is every reason to believe He will do it again.

Joan Rügemer

Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Dugald T Lewis MD on November 06, 2000, 09:18:00 AM
AMEN!! Sister Joan.
Sometimes we think that people are not reading the SOP. It appears that many are not even reading the Bible.
Dugald
Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Laurie Mosher on November 06, 2000, 03:47:00 PM
  Unfortunately, the picture that is often presented is that "Anyone who keeps the commandments is a LEGALIST". And when we SDA's present the Sabbath truth, then we are accused of being "Saved by our works."

  It is noteworthy that Ephesians 2:8-9 says " For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
NOT of works lest any man should boast."

 Hurrah! BUT the thought does NOT stop there, does it?

  Let's look at verse 10 "For WE are His WORKmanship, created unto Christ Jesus UNTO GOOD WORKS, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

  In other words, our good works are the FRUIT of the Holy Spirit.

 I would ask that NO one think that I am ganging up against Kellee, or those who do NOT agree with my theology. I would humbly ask, however, that "we" read ALL of Holy Writ.

In 1 Peter 1:16 , we read "Because it is written, 'BE YE HOLY, for I am holy.'"

 To me  the implication is clear. Our God is calling for a HOLY people. And when we further compare Scripture we discover that  "God's followers will see His face Rev.22:4). How can practicing sinners be in the very presence of a Holy God?. It is NOT possible!

 Remember Rev 14:1-5 which describes the 144,00 who SDA's believe will be/are the reighteous living when Jesus returns again.  Notice verse 5 "And in their mouth is NO guile: for they are WITHOUT FAULT before the throne of God."  
 My friends this group of people are righteous (meaning they do NOT sin).

 Conversely in 2 Thess.2:8, the Bible tells us that "the WICKED are destroyed by the brightness of His (Jesus) coming. WHy because they are Commandment-Breakers, practicing sinners.

 And ultimately, we are admonished in 1 John 2:1 , John the Revelator says "My little children, these things write I unto you, THAT YE (you) SIN NOT."

1 John3"4 tells us "Whosoever committeth sin transgresses also the law: FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW."

  Who has trouble keeping God's 10 Commandment Law? do you have difficulty with Bowing down before idols, or making graven images? How about swearing, or stealing, or murder, adultery, bearing false witness or coveting? oh yes, the Sabbath--the old Jewish law..surely God doesn't expect  us to refrain from doing our pleasure, after all we can keep any day , right?
 Of course Jesus took us a little further on this, in regards to looking with lust, or hating our brethern.

  My friends, I BELIEVE that God SAYS what He means, and Means WHAT HE SAYS.

 And if we would all follow the counsel God has given us, we would not be in the confusion that is threatening to divide us. SOP "WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR FOR THE FUTURE EXCEPT WE FORGET HOW GOD HAS LED US IN THE PAST" still holds true today.

 My God is not going to ask me to do something that He knows is impossible for me to do! When we are born again, we allow God to lead us, and show us where we need to make corrections.

1 John1:9 "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

  If we just follow this verse, we will be sinning and confessing, sinning and confessing, etc. THERE is MORE  to do.

In Proverbs 28:13, we read these words "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: BUT whoso confesseth AND FORSAKETH them shall have mercy."

 FORSAKE means "GIVE THEM TO JESUS"! Bid your sins "Goodbye".Philippians 4:13 tells us "I can do ALL THINGS through Christ which (WHO) strenthens ME." Ask Jesus for help in overcoming a particular sin. Let your prayer be :
 Father I lay all my plans at your feet. Use me today in YOUR sevice, and make me wholly thine."
 Will Jesus come into Your life and make you new again?

 YES we are saved by grace through FAITH, but look at 1 John5:4 "FOR whosoever is BORN OF GODovercometh the world: AND THIS IS THE VICTORY THAT OVERCOMETH THE WORLD, EVEN OUR FAITH!"

 Belief in Jesus is NOT ENOUGH!. All we have to do is read what James 2:19 says "Thou believest there is one God; thou doest well: THE DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE AND TREMBLE."

Now it would seem to me IF all is needed is BELIEF, why tremble? Obviously belief is NOT enough!

Brothers and Sisters, if we are going to quote and utilize scripture, WE NEED TO "rightly divide the Word of God" 2 Tim.2:12.

 Don't forget, the devil knows Scripture also, and IF we are not diligent seekers for truth, we are going to be led "down the primrose path to destruction."

  It is imperative that we study as we have never studied before, "Lest Satan should get an advantage over us:for WE ARE NOT IGNORANT of his devices." 2 Cor.2:11.

 GC516 "There is NOTHING that the great deceiver fears so much as that WE shall become acquainted with his devices."

 GC587 "It is ONE of Satan's DEVICES to combine with falsehood just enough truth to give it plausibility."

 And unfortunately this is what is happening among God's people today...the mixing of error with truth.

 And until we learn to teach what the Holy Spirit teaches us, "comparing spiritual things with spiritual (things), (1 Cor.2:13) we will be as fools and reliant upon the arm of flesh rather than trusting in God." (Jer.17:5)


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Keep "the" faith,BUT pass it around!

 Bro. Laurie

[This message has been edited by Laurie Mosher (edited 11-06-2000).]

Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Dugald T Lewis MD on November 06, 2000, 08:28:00 PM
Another hearty AMEN!! to your post Brother Laurie. I am happy to see the edification that exists on this forum. This is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
In the Blessed Hope
Dugald
Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Joan Rügemer on November 07, 2000, 01:09:00 AM

 Wow, Laurie...that was such a fine uplifting posting from you. I was deeply blessed. Thank you also for getting emphasis on Ephes 2:10. It is very much needed for balancing out the oneside 'cheap Grace' messages of today.

 :) Joan

Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Laurie Mosher on November 07, 2000, 05:54:00 AM
  Thank You Dr.Dugald and Joan for your kind thoughts!
 I believe it is PAST time for God's people to stand up and be counted! I read that there are YET 7000 who refuse to bow the knee to Baal. Well, I believe that there are alot of people in TRO who qualify for this group.   And if there is ever a time for God's people to witness for Him, IT IS NOW!

God is looking for people who have "Intestinal Foritude" (backbone) who will stand for Him.
  "The greatest want of the world is the want of MEN (and Women)- who will NOT be bought or sold, who in their INMOST souls are TRUE AND HONEST, who DO NOT FEAR TO CALL SIN BY ITS RIGHT NAME, whose CONSCIENCE IS AS TRUE TO DUTY AS THE NEEDLE TO THE POLE (compass), WHO WILL STAND FOR THE RIGHT THOUGH THE HEAVENS FALL." Education,p.57

  NOW is NOT the time for "waffling" or whining! Now is the time for God's TRUE CONVICTED people to WAKE UP.
Romans 13:11 "And that KNOWING THE TIME, that is is NOW HIGH TIME to AWAKE OUT OF SLEEP: For NOW is OUR SALVATION NEARER than when we believed."

 In other words, "GET READY, get ready, Get Ready", UNITE TOGETHER.

 The latter rain will fall ONLY on those who have received THE EARLY RAIN! May we be counted righteous (claiming Christ's righteousness...our righteousness is 'filthy rags'-Isa64:6)

 May God help us to BOLDLY present His gospel, for any other is accursed . Galatians 1:8-9

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Keep "the" faith,BUT pass it around!

 Bro. Laurie

Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Elder John Thurber on November 07, 2000, 07:24:00 AM
Thank you one and all for your threads on this subject. Richard knows I have been concerned about this subject for some time. I believe he has been led by the Spirit to handle this as God would have it done. It gives me strength to see the post that all of you have sent in. Kellee is a sincere person caught up in a theary that is popular to believe, and eases the fear of God's judgement. How many I have known have fallen in this trap. I want Kellee to know I love her and want her to be in the kingdom with me. Yet we must stand for truth, remember "The greatest want of the world is the want of men. men who will not be bought or sold.

Friend John
Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Liane H on November 07, 2000, 06:38:00 PM
Hi John:

And Women, women who will not be bought or sold. Don't forget us.  

Liane

Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Laurie Mosher on November 08, 2000, 09:40:00 AM
Hi Liane!
In the posting ABOVE John's , I mentioned "The greatest want of the world is the want of men (AND WOMEN)   :)
 

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Keep "the" faith,BUT pass it around!

 Bro. Laurie

Title: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on November 25, 2003, 11:28:00 AM
Today, we are in great danger of looking to our traditions instead of the Lord. It is Satan's plan to pervert the Scriptures, and to lead men to put a false interpretation on the words of God.

We must have genuine faith. As yet we scarcely grasp the reality of the truth. We only half believe the Word of God. Even though the signs of the times are fulfilling all over the world, faith in the Lord's coming has not been clearly seen in the church. Clear, distinct, certain, we must give the warnings. At the peril of our souls we are to learn the prescribed conditions under which we are to work out our own salvation, remembering that it is God which worketh in us, both to will and to do of His good pleasure.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on March 02, 2016, 07:20:47 AM
  In other words, our good works are the FRUIT of the Holy Spirit.

Amen!

As it was with Israel 2,000 years ago, so it is with us today. Most churches of today would find the following truth offensive:

"The questions that most concern us are, Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law? "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life.' 'And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.'" John 3:36; 1 John 2:3.   
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: colporteur on March 02, 2016, 08:15:33 AM
  In other words, our good works are the FRUIT of the Holy Spirit.

Amen!

As it was with Israel 2,000 years ago, so it is with us today. Most churches of today would find the following truth offensive:

"The questions that most concern us are, Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law? "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life.' 'And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.'" John 3:36; 1 John 2:3.   

Question :  Is the fruit optional ?    Many consider the fruit merely something to shoot for but not necessarily the reality.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: JimB on March 02, 2016, 09:39:09 AM
Question :  Is the fruit optional ?    Many consider the fruit merely something to shoot for but not necessarily the reality.

The Bible does not say that the fruit are optional. It simply says that they will be there in converted Christian.

Galations 5:

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.


In another place in The Desire of Ages she makes the comment that all the fruit will be there. None will be missing.

The life of the vine will be manifest in fragrant fruit on the branches. “He that abideth in Me,” said Jesus, “and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without Me ye can do nothing.” When we live by faith on the Son of God, the fruits of the Spirit will be seen in our lives; not one will be missing. {DA 676.4}
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on May 30, 2016, 06:07:24 AM
As I read this chapter anew this morning, I am again encouraged that Jesus invites us to look to Him, the Word of God, as the foundation, for His whole ministry uplifted God's law--yet it is only through a surrendered, converted, new-heart experience filled with all the fruits of the Spirit without one missing that it is possible to obey the law of God, for Christ will work His works in our lives through His Spirit whereby we cooperate with Him.

I loved how this paragraph brought out somewhat of an idea of gardening.

 But "every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." In place of the authority of the so-called fathers of the church, God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, "I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts." Psalm 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, "In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." {DA 398.4}

I just recently planted my garden, and one thing that I realize has to be done nearly constantly is weeding, to make sure there is room for the plants of the garden to flourish. Because we have a fallen nature, we need to daily behold the loveliness of Jesus so that He can continue to mold and fashion our characters to be more like Him. Jesus is the only one who can help us to understand the truths of God's word, and we need the Holy Spirit at each step heavenward.

May we choose to let the Bible reveal the true gospel to us, rather than accept the traditions or customs of the world or those that are in the church that would confuse the gospel, or lead astray from Christ. I love Jesus and I love looking to how He lived the law in humanity! This is my story--and this is my song!
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on May 30, 2016, 07:30:06 AM
Amen!! It is the fruit of His Spirit. Pastor Sean, I am noticing something about Desire of Ages. We keep reading the same thing no matter which chapter we read!  Yes, each chapter brings forth more truth, but we keep seeing the loveliness of Jesus!  Why do so few wish to read this?
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on August 25, 2016, 06:16:03 AM
"Traditions".  Do we have traditions in our church? Yes, we do. Things that God has not said are made to be what we must do. But, Jesus encourages those who follow His commandments rather than the commands of men.

    The substitution of the precepts of men for the commandments of God has not ceased. Even among Christians are found institutions and usages that have no better foundation than the traditions of the fathers. Such institutions, resting upon mere human authority, have supplanted those of divine appointment. Men cling to their traditions, and revere their customs, and cherish hatred against those who seek to show them their error. In this day, when we are bidden to call attention to the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, we see the same enmity as was manifested in the days of Christ. Of the remnant people of God it is written, "The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17.
     But "every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." In place of the authority of the so-called fathers of the church, God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, "I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts." Psalm 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, "In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." 

Look around and notice that our institutions are not following the counsel given. Be encouraged, such institutions, resting upon mere human authority, that have supplanted those of divine appointment, will be "rooted up." What must we do? What is to be our great concern when we are faced with such apostasy?

     The questions that most concern us are, Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law? "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life." "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments." John 3:36; 1 John 2:3. 
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on August 25, 2016, 07:31:23 AM
Richard, the last paragraph you quoted was one that also stood out to me in its entirety--as Satan is trying to get the focus off of the real questions that need to be asked to things that distract us from Jesus. By daily beholding Jesus and abiding in Him, we can be kept safe from this error.

Whenever the message of truth comes home to souls with special power, Satan stirs up his agents to start a dispute over some minor question. Thus he seeks to attract attention from the real issue. Whenever a good work is begun, there are cavilers ready to enter into dispute over forms or technicalities, to draw minds away from the living realities. When it appears that God is about to work in a special manner for His people, let them not be enticed into a controversy that will work only ruin of souls. The questions that most concern us are, Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law? "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life." "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments." John 3:36; 1 John 2:3. 

Let us pray that Jesus will keep us from the snares of Satan's devising--including the traditions of men, not rooted in God's word.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages-----42-----Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on November 20, 2016, 07:04:47 AM
Amen, Pastor Sean!  The most important question that we must ask and answer is "What must I do to be saved?"

"The questions that most concern us are, Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law? 'He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life.' 'And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.'" John 3:36; 1 John 2:3. 

"Tradition".  The Jews and the Roman Catholics prize their traditions above the Word of God. How is it with us, with the ones who have been entrusted with the Sacred Oracles of God? Sadly, we have in God's church an "Adventist" culture that prizes its traditions more than the sacred truths entrusted to us. Some pastors have even dropped the name "Seventh-day" from the the name of their churches. How revealing of their condition.

As I was contemplating today's reading, I thought to review what has been written in this thread. I was blessed to read what Elder John Thurber, past president of a conference, had written. He understands the need to be faithful, but he also expressed his love for one who had erred in her understanding. This is the Spirit of Christ. As we deal with such difficulties in the church, let us do so after we have removed the "beam" from our own eyes.

I want Kellee to know I love her and want her to be in the kingdom with me. Yet we must stand for truth, remember "The greatest want of the world is the want of men. men who will not be bought or sold.

Friend John

Amen, Friend John!
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on November 20, 2016, 10:24:10 AM
Amen, Richard! Was Jesus not being loving by rejecting the traditions of the Jews? No, He was revealing the love of the Father in clarity so that the key questions that concern the salvation of souls would not be lost sight of. While there are currently many ideas and traditions that may be professedly important, I am so thankful to see such unity here in our forum as we focus upon the loveliness of Jesus, and of our continual need of Him.

We have nothing good in us by nature. And we will do what is "natural" to us if we have not Christ keeping our fallen nature under His divine power moment-by-moment. Let us not deceive ourselves to think that any good thing can ever arise from within man by nature--no, it must arise from Christ indwelling the heart, who in conversion has given us a new heart and a new mind (the divine nature!). But the flesh--the old impulses of unregenerate humanity--will ever strive for mastery and must be kept under by divine grace (oh, how we need to continually behold the loveliness of Jesus in order to do any good thing, and cleave to Him!). I have been greatly blessed by sharing and reflecting upon how character is built, and we see an important truth as to where evil arises in the life--it is an internal problem:

    To the multitude, and afterward more fully to His disciples, Jesus explained that defilement comes not from without, but from within. Purity and impurity pertain to the soul. It is the evil deed, the evil word, the evil thought, the transgression of the law of God, not the neglect of external, man-made ceremonies, that defiles a man.

When the soul surrenders itself to Christ, a new power takes possession of the heart that it made new, filled with all of the fruits of the Spirit so that not one is missing. If a full surrender is not made, it will be apparent that Christ does not have complete control of the human agent (as the works of the flesh will still control the soul), and that however high one's profession of piety, it is all a deception. The traditions and man-made forms that the Jews invented were ways for them to seek to avoid the conviction that their lives were internally impure, and that they needed a new moral birth. Many of these cavilers would reject the testimony of the Holy Spirit to their consciences, but some would later repent. Yet it is never safe to resist the pleading voice of the Holy Spirit. Oh, let us rejoice that we see Jesus in this chapter today pointing all to their great need of salvation full and free: continual and perpetual, a renewing connection with Him that keeps the fallen flesh under by divine grace. No traditions can ever take the place of our individual need to sit at the feet of Jesus, learn of Him, and be transformed into His lovely image day by day. Praise God that such an experience is still a reality for all who comply with the conditions of acceptance with God, and choose to look to Jesus and live.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on February 15, 2017, 06:59:00 AM

Amen, Pastor Sean.  There are conditions to be met before the sinner will gain eternal life. We cannot earn it, but we must comply with the conditions set forth. We must love Jesus with all the heart, mind, soul, and strength.

As with all of the chapters in this beautiful book, we see the gospel truth proclaimed and error uncovered. As I was reading through past posts, I read what Pastor John Thurber posted 17 years ago. We miss him. In his years of ministry, which included being president of two conferences, he gained much experience in dealing with truth and error.

Thank you one and all for your threads on this subject. Richard knows I have been concerned about this subject for some time. I believe he has been led by the Spirit to handle this as God would have it done. It gives me strength to see the post that all of you have sent in. Kellee is a sincere person caught up in a theory that is popular to believe, and eases the fear of God's judgement. How many I have known have fallen in this trap. I want Kellee to know I love her and want her to be in the kingdom with me. Yet we must stand for truth, remember "The greatest want of the world is the want of men. men who will not be bought or sold.

Friend John

It would be good for our Bible scholars to read through the discussion we had with Sister Kellee and see what the error was she was arguing for.

Speaking of error in the church, my heart is strengthened every time I read the ending of this chapter. God will uproot those heresies which have come into His church. We need not fear the church being broken up into tiny atoms. She will see revival and reformation! Listen to the promise given by Jesus:

He answered, "Every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." The customs and traditions so highly valued by the rabbis were of this world, not from heaven. However great their authority with the people, they could not endure the testing of God. Every human invention that has been substituted for the commandments of God will be found worthless in that day when "God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." Ecclesiastes 12:14.
     The substitution of the precepts of men for the commandments of God has not ceased. Even among Christians are found institutions and usages that have no better foundation than the traditions of the fathers. Such institutions, resting upon mere human authority, have supplanted those of divine appointment. Men cling to their traditions, and revere their customs, and cherish hatred against those who seek to show them their error. In this day, when we are bidden to call attention to the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, we see the same enmity as was manifested in the days of Christ. Of the remnant people of God it is written, "The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17.
     But "every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." In place of the authority of the so-called fathers of the church, God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, "I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts." Psalm 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, "In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on February 15, 2017, 08:28:24 AM
Amen, Richard. It is encouraging to see how you referred to a leader in the church being encouraged by the posts and discussion going on in our forum. As a pastor, I realize that there are so many winds of doctrine blowing. My prayerful desire is to point people to the foundation of our faith, the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is so clearly revealed in our consistent readings revealing the loveliness of His character here in the Desire of Ages and as we also go through the Sabbath School lesson in a way that seeks to make the gospel truth of our continual need of Jesus so clear.

I love how Jesus passes by all the "weeds" that the enemy has planted to help us realize what is essential for salvation--to focus upon the plant that He has planted--that goodly Vine, the Church, which is to be rooted and grounded in a revelation of His character. When others professing Christ in name deny Him in character, advocating traditions that have no place in the word of God, we can remember that it was so even in Christ's day. Even if you feel like you are the only one in your local church seeking to be faithful, be not discouraged! "At this time we must gather warmth from the coldness of others, courage from their cowardice, and loyalty from their treason." {5T 136.2} Jesus would not be dissuaded from His purpose to save men from their sins. We need not be dissuaded from our purpose to reveal His character, His truth, and to give the trumpet a certain sound.

 Whenever the message of truth comes home to souls with special power, Satan stirs up his agents to start a dispute over some minor question. Thus he seeks to attract attention from the real issue. Whenever a good work is begun, there are cavilers ready to enter into dispute over forms or technicalities, to draw minds away from the living realities. When it appears that God is about to work in a special manner for His people, let them not be enticed into a controversy that will work only ruin of souls. The questions that most concern us are, Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law? "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life." "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments." John 3:36; 1 John 2:3.

The experience of keeping God's commandments is only possible by the work of the Spirit in the life. "When we live by faith on the Son of God, the fruits of the Spirit will be seen in our lives; not one will be missing." {DA 676.4} Then we can know that we truly do believe with saving faith upon the Son of God. There will be evidence--for the divine nature at work in the life will reveal itself in every motive, thought, word, look, and tone of the one who has Christ indwelling the heart by the Holy Spirit! This is the GREATEST MIRACLE! Such an experience makes all human tradition pale in comparison to the power of God's word at work in the life!

I remember an experience I had some time ago--when I was a new Seventh-day Adventist in 2007, I was still listening to a lot of worldly music and it was a real struggle in my thought life to think purely. Tradition would have it that as long as I was not doing it on Sabbath it was okay (and no, I would not listen to it on Sabbath, but I knew the minute Sabbath was over). There were students at this Seventh-day Adventist college around me who seemed to be doing the same thing (there is a danger when the church is in a Laodicean condition to let our piety be based on the level of others' experience, and not the truth of the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy). I love the grace of God to transform us! He not only convicted me about the music, but gave me something better. When I was on a mission trip not long after becoming a Seventh-day Adventist, but still listening to the rock music, the Holy Spirit spoke over the song I was listening to and said, "You don't like this anymore." I chose to believe the Lord and deleted the secular music that was worth a small fortune to me, that was pulling me away from Jesus. The very next day God started to pour into my heart a melody for Psalm 103 (as a Scripture song) and then gave me many more. To date, I have lost count of how many songs God has given me from Scripture and now from the Spirit of Prophecy. When I have spare moments I enjoy meditating upon these heavenly truths in song, and it has been such a transforming influence in my character to the glory of God. This encourages me and I share it because there are many who are clinging to tradition (or an experience that its sinful) because that is all they know of--and it is something they depend upon for comfort, help, simply because that is the "standard" around them. But Jesus has SOMETHING BETTER always to put in its place! Let us keep our eyes fixed upon Jesus and His truth today! Praise the Lord!!
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on May 13, 2017, 05:54:00 AM
Amen!  It is interesting to think of listening to worldly music as being a church "tradition".   There is much in "Adventist" culture that is not of God, but is indeed traditions past down from generation to generation. Being a vegetarian is one such tradition. It is fine to feed leukemia to your child as long as it is not pork. We will reap what we sow.

     "Ye hypocrites," He said, addressing the wily spies, "well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto Me with their mouth, and honoreth Me with their lips; but their heart is far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." The words of Christ were an arraignment of the whole system of Pharisaism. He declared that by placing their requirements above the divine precepts the rabbis were setting themselves above God. 

This is strong language coming from One who came not to condemn, but to save. Many would find this language contrary to our religion, but here we see it is not. Paul uses strong language also. He tells us some are "accursed". What would cause Inspiration to be so bold?

Jesus explains:

 He answered, "Every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." The customs and traditions so highly valued by the rabbis were of this world, not from heaven. However great their authority with the people, they could not endure the testing of God. Every human invention that has been substituted for the commandments of God will be found worthless in that day when "God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." Ecclesiastes 12:14.
     The substitution of the precepts of men for the commandments of God has not ceased. Even among Christians are found institutions and usages that have no better foundation than the traditions of the fathers. Such institutions, resting upon mere human authority, have supplanted those of divine appointment. Men cling to their traditions, and revere their customs, and cherish hatred against those who seek to show them their error. In this day, when we are bidden to call attention to the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, we see the same enmity as was manifested in the days of Christ. Of the remnant people of God it is written, "The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17.
     But "every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." In place of the authority of the so-called fathers of the church, God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, "I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts." Psalm 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, "In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." 

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on May 13, 2017, 06:21:35 AM
Jesus came to set the truth free to His hearers:

Never, by word or deed, did Jesus lessen man's obligation to present gifts and offerings to God. It was Christ who gave all the directions of the law in regard to tithes and offerings. When on earth He commended the poor woman who gave her all to the temple treasury. But the apparent zeal for God on the part of the priests and rabbis was a pretense to cover their desire for self-aggrandizement. The people were deceived by them. They were bearing heavy burdens which God had not imposed. Even the disciples of Christ were not wholly free from the yoke that had been bound upon them by inherited prejudice and rabbinical authority. Now, by revealing the true spirit of the rabbis, Jesus sought to free from the bondage of tradition all who were really desirous of serving God. 

Do you desire to serve God? Look to Jesus, surrender all, and moment-by-moment He will teach you how to serve Him!
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: JimB on May 13, 2017, 10:52:26 AM
Amen Richard and pastor Sean. Sometimes strong language is needed to address those who are deceived and think all is fine. I once heard a story of preacher who was going to preach at a prison and when one of his congregation heard this they asked him if he was going to preach hell and brimstone. He said of course not I'm gonna preach Christ's love for them.  However, if I were to preach hell and brimstone it would more than likely be to the members of the church who think all is well.

And Jesus indeed came to set us free from all that hinders our walk with Him and tradition can be a big stumbling block.

What I saw today was this...

Whenever the message of truth comes home to souls with special power, Satan stirs up his agents to start a dispute over some minor question. Thus he seeks to attract attention from the real issue. Whenever a good work is begun, there are cavilers ready to enter into dispute over forms or technicalities, to draw minds away from the living realities. When it appears that God is about to work in a special manner for His people, let them not be enticed into a controversy that will work only ruin of souls. The questions that most concern us are, Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law? "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life." "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments." John 3:36; 1 John 2:3.  

I've seen this happen. Especially after a sobering message that was made so we'd examine ourselves. While people are leaving the service quiet and subdued and obvisously thinking someone will make a smart remark that takes away from the seriousness of what's happening.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on August 08, 2017, 04:14:10 AM
Amen, Richard! We need Jesus in our hearts moment-by-moment, or we are going to misrepresent Him by our fallen flesh manifesting itself. There is no safety without Jesus abiding in us, and us choosing to remain vitally connected to God. We need Jesus to implant in us His character, and to uproot from us all that is unlike Him!

I was deeply encouraged by this thought today in reference to character building:

 He answered, "Every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." The customs and traditions so highly valued by the rabbis were of this world, not from heaven. However great their authority with the people, they could not endure the testing of God. Every human invention that has been substituted for the commandments of God will be found worthless in that day when "God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." Ecclesiastes 12:14.

I was just thinking about this in a very personal sense. There may be traditions or customs that I have learned from my biological parents--and they may not have seemed problematic, but when I look unto Jesus who has adopted me into the heavenly family, I am SO SO THANKFUL that the only traits that He will allow to remain in my life are those that He has planted. The implanting of new principles takes time (by beholding we become changed), but at the moment of conversion the heart and mind are made pure because of the cleansing blood of Jesus and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit manifest in all of the fruits of the Spirit in the life without one missing. Yet we need to continue to grow. We will see more in our characters that needs to be uprooted as the Holy Spirit leads us on, step-by-step. That is the glorious work of character building which God sets before us--and it is Christ's character that is to be perfectly reproduced in humanity! Praise the Lord!!!
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: JimB on August 08, 2017, 05:39:40 AM
Amen pastor Sean. He leads us step by step and never more than we can handle at the time. This morning I was thinking about this...

Jesus made no attempt to defend Himself or His disciples. He made no reference to the charges against Him, but proceeded to show the spirit that actuated these sticklers for human rites. He gave them an example of what they were repeatedly doing, and had done just before coming in search of Him. "Full well ye reject the commandment of God," He said, "that ye may keep your own tradition.

It is interesting to see how Christ dealt with people's questions and accusations. He rarely answered their accusations, but ignored them and then just went on to present truth. A good example for us when we are tempted to answer them point for point.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on August 08, 2017, 07:16:55 AM
Amen, Jim. Like with Nicodemus, he continues with what the sinner needs to know. In the case you point out, He tells them they are unrepentant sinners. What a condemnation! With Nicodemus, He told him right off, he was not converted, he was not going to heaven unless he was born again. It was out of love for all that he revealed their condemned condition.

Are we prepared to be treated as He was because we tell someone such truth, that they are not converted? It does not always meet with approval. Of course we cannot be successful if we have not removed the beam from our own eye first. If we are not filled with the Spirit and loving the sinner, then we cannot expect to succeed in giving to others what we do not possess.

There is much made over particular doctrines today. Do we get sidetracked or do we continue on presenting the truth?

     The questions that most concern us are, Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law? "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life." "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments." John 3:36; 1 John 2:3. 

The most popular teachings in the church today are contrary to this truth. Of course Satan also has a "gospel" that appears to teach this, but does not. Our only hope is to allow Christ to take control of the whole man, not 99% of him. He wants the whole heart, then the Holy Spirit will live in the heart cleansed from sin.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: JimB on November 03, 2017, 05:11:59 AM
 To the multitude, and afterward more fully to His disciples, Jesus explained that defilement comes not from without, but from within. Purity and impurity pertain to the soul. It is the evil deed, the evil word, the evil thought, the transgression of the law of God, not the neglect of external, man-made ceremonies, that defiles a man.

Here because of they were offended the religious leaders lost a chance to gain more understanding of what Christ was trying to teach them. It was those who remained that Christ took the time to more fully explain what He was saying. My toes have also been stepped on many times through a sermon, or reading the Bible or SOP and if I had turn and ran the other direction every time a truth hurt I'd be in a sad situation. How do you or I respond when the Sword of His Word pierces the soul? Do we run or do we stick around for healing? A doctor first needs to set the bone before proper healing can take place.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on November 03, 2017, 05:51:15 AM
Amen, Jim! I remember when I broke a bone in my leg, and titanium screws were needed in order to help hold the bones together so it could heal in a way that would let me walk again. I am SO THANKFUL that I can walk today. When Jesus' message comes to our hearts and convicts us of some practice in our life that needs to change--some tradition we may have thought was from Him that He invites us to let go of--we can either choose to respond to His work of transforming our characters by our continual cooperation (a continual surrender our will to Him), or we can resist His healing work to enable us to truly walk the walk of faith to prepare us for heaven. I chose to let the doctor help my leg heal, even though it was painful. We are not so much to resist pain in our Christian experience, but to seek to avoid displeasing God by committing sin that grieves Him. Let us remember that He does nothing capriciously, but always for our best good:

Lamentations 3:33 "For He doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men." Yet when sin must be dealt with, or traditions must be uprooted, let us remember that God only does what is for our good to help us experience the healing of His love and grace that will renew my heart. Instead of finding fault with the work of the Great Physician, Jesus, let us commit our case--our life and all we are--to Him. He will bring us off more than conqueror!

Rather than getting into controversy about tradition and unneeded distinctions, let us fix our eyes on Jesus and His will for us from His clear, unchanging Word. Let us know for ourselves that we have a saving faith experience by communion and union of our souls with Christ and applying what He has taught us from the Bible. I appreciated this thought today from The Desire of Ages, page 396, paragraph 3:

"Whenever the message of truth comes home to souls with special power, Satan stirs up his agents to start a dispute over some minor question. Thus he seeks to attract attention from the real issue. Whenever a good work is begun, there are cavilers ready to enter into dispute over forms or technicalities, to draw minds away from the living realities. When it appears that God is about to work in a special manner for His people, let them not be enticed into a controversy that will work only ruin of souls. The questions that most concern us are, Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law? 'He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life.' 'And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.' John 3:36; 1 John 2:3."

Keeping God's commandments from the heart is ALWAYS accompanied by a genuine manifestation of all of the fruits of the Spirit being in the life--because it is from the heart that we come to fully believe upon Christ, and when He abides in the heart, He does so by His Spirit with His characteristic love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. This is the experience He offers all of us--if we will but come to Him, behold Him, and experience the grace of God that transforms our souls!
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Post by: Richard Myers on November 03, 2017, 08:31:33 PM
This chapter addresses "tradition".  We know that the Jews and the Roman Church both set aside Scripture in favor of their traditions. But, what of God's people today? And what will come of those who place their rules and traditions above God's Word?

     "Ye hypocrites," He said, addressing the wily spies, "well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto Me with their mouth, and honoreth Me with their lips; but their heart is far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." The words of Christ were an arraignment of the whole system of Pharisaism. He declared that by placing their requirements above the divine precepts the rabbis were setting themselves above God.
     The deputies from Jerusalem were filled with rage. They could not accuse Christ as a violator of the law given from Sinai, for He spoke as its defender against their traditions. The great precepts of the law, which He had presented, appeared in striking contrast to the petty rules that men had devised. 

Christ is our example. There is a time and place to be firm with unrepentant sinners, especially when they have great influence and their sin is the sin of placing their teaching above that of God. The chapter closes with this powerful truth:

     The substitution of the precepts of men for the commandments of God has not ceased. Even among Christians are found institutions and usages that have no better foundation than the traditions of the fathers. Such institutions, resting upon mere human authority, have supplanted those of divine appointment. Men cling to their traditions, and revere their customs, and cherish hatred against those who seek to show them their error. In this day, when we are bidden to call attention to the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, we see the same enmity as was manifested in the days of Christ. Of the remnant people of God it is written, "The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17.
     But "every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." In place of the authority of the so-called fathers of the church, God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, "I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts." Psalm 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, "In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." 
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: JimB on January 29, 2018, 05:28:57 AM
Jesus made no attempt to defend Himself or His disciples. He made no reference to the charges against Him, but proceeded to show the spirit that actuated these sticklers for human rites. He gave them an example of what they were repeatedly doing, and had done just before coming in search of Him. "Full well ye reject the commandment of God," He said, "that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honor thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: but ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. And ye suffer him no more to do aught for his father or his mother."

The highlighted part is something that took me a while to learn and understand. Most often the truth doesn't need to be defended. Truth can and will defend itself. I think we'd get much farther in out witness if we did as Christ and simply ignore the charges/attacks/accusations and then present the truth. For me anyway sometimes the simple ways take longer to understand and put into practice.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on January 29, 2018, 05:42:01 AM
Amen, Jim! When Jesus is in our hearts, we do not have to defend ourselves, for self is crucified with Christ. We present the truth as it is in Jesus, and those who are open to truth we can work with. We are not to give influence to error and controversy by making that the focus. Jesus came to plant heavenly truth, and those who were open to learning the truth would be able to receive it.

May we realize that the only safe foundation upon which to stand when it concerns our belief and practice is that which we find in the word of God, that which we see in the life and character of Jesus, and that which the Holy Spirit is revealing as present truth in this time.

 "The substitution of the precepts of men for the commandments of God has not ceased. Even among Christians are found institutions and usages that have no better foundation than the traditions of the fathers. Such institutions, resting upon mere human authority, have supplanted those of divine appointment. Men cling to their traditions, and revere their customs, and cherish hatred against those who seek to show them their error. In this day, when we are bidden to call attention to the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, we see the same enmity as was manifested in the days of Christ. Of the remnant people of God it is written, 'The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.' Revelation 12:17."  {The Desire of Ages, page 398, paragraph 3}
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Dorine on January 29, 2018, 07:23:24 AM
A short but powerful chapter that keeps us focused on what is really important to God and to our salvation.

".....God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, "I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts." Ps. 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, "In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

I'm so thankful for God's word that keeps me anchored in truth.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on January 29, 2018, 08:15:15 PM
Jesus made no attempt to defend Himself or His disciples. He made no reference to the charges against Him, but proceeded to show the spirit that actuated these sticklers for human rites. He gave them an example of what they were repeatedly doing, and had done just before coming in search of Him. "Full well ye reject the commandment of God," He said, "that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honor thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: but ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. And ye suffer him no more to do aught for his father or his mother."

The highlighted part is something that took me a while to learn and understand. Most often the truth doesn't need to be defended. Truth can and will defend itself. I think we'd get much farther in out witness if we did as Christ and simply ignore the charges/attacks/accusations and then present the truth. For me anyway sometimes the simple ways take longer to understand and put into practice.

Yes, Jim. Jesus was not personally offended. It was His Father's truth that He cared about. " but proceeded to show the spirit that actuated these sticklers for human rites. He gave them an example of what they were repeatedly doing, and had done just before coming in search of Him. "Full well ye reject the commandment of God," He said, "that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honor thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death."
He did not let them believe a lie, but told them they were not teaching the truth, but man made traditions, wisdom not of God. And, then used the Word to tell them their end. There was no defense of anyone in His Words. It was the truth that the leaders of His people had perverted, and these traditions set aside the Word of God, leading multitudes to ruin and eternal death.

When Moses through down the ten commandments written by the hand of God, there was no self involved. It was God who was offended. It was righteous indignation that caused Moses to be angry with the people. But, when Moses struck the Rock, who was offended? We need not defend self, but the Truth that was made flesh and gave Himself for us while we were yet sinners.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on January 29, 2018, 08:19:00 PM
May we realize that the only safe foundation upon which to stand when it concerns our belief and practice is that which we find in the word of God, that which we see in the life and character of Jesus, and that which the Holy Spirit is revealing as present truth in this time.

 "The substitution of the precepts of men for the commandments of God has not ceased. Even among Christians are found institutions and usages that have no better foundation than the traditions of the fathers. Such institutions, resting upon mere human authority, have supplanted those of divine appointment. Men cling to their traditions, and revere their customs, and cherish hatred against those who seek to show them their error. In this day, when we are bidden to call attention to the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, we see the same enmity as was manifested in the days of Christ. Of the remnant people of God it is written, 'The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.' Revelation 12:17."  {The Desire of Ages, page 398, paragraph 3}

Amen, Pastor Sean! And God who is offended by such will not stand by and not do anything. In an effort to save sinners, He gives time for repentance, but He will not excuse sin neither will it go unpunished forever.

"But 'every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.' In place of the authority of the so-called fathers of the church, God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, 'I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts.' Ps. 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, 'In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.'"
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on January 29, 2018, 08:21:32 PM
A short but powerful chapter that keeps us focused on what is really important to God and to our salvation.

".....God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, "I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts." Ps. 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, "In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

I'm so thankful for God's word that keeps me anchored in truth.

Amen, Sister Dorine!! And is this not the lesson for us today! "God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error." Here are they that keep the commandments of God and the Testimony of Jesus. What a blessing we enjoy every day in learning of our Great God!!

This morning, I came away with such a simple truth ringing in my ears. Over and over we share with a Laodicean people that there is an important question we must seek an answer for. I generally say it is "what must I do to be saved?" But, this monring it was presented slightly different.

    Whenever the message of truth comes home to souls with special power, Satan stirs up his agents to start a dispute over some minor question. Thus he seeks to attract attention from the real issue. Whenever a good work is begun, there are cavilers ready to enter into dispute over forms or technicalities, to draw minds away from the living realities. When it appears that God is about to work in a special manner for His people, let them not be enticed into a controversy that will work only ruin of souls. The questions that most concern us are, Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law? "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life." "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments." John 3:36; 1 John 2:3. 

It is not as helpful as "we must behold Jesus," but it does indeed counter the deceptions brought into the church that we are saved even when sinning a known sin. "Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law?"  "Saving faith" and "keeping His commandments."

In order to have saving faith and to keep the commandments we must love the Lord thy God with all of the heart. We must Jesus intimately. How do we get to know Him intimately? By spending time with Him. There is no other way. We praise God for each who endeavors to do this.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on April 26, 2018, 04:25:13 AM
There are many controversial points that Satan will seek to stir up, causing some to feel that they are being very zealous for God in defending them, but Jesus has something better for us than controversy and tradition. He desires us to sink the mine shaft of our earnest search for truth deep into His word, discerning more clearly His loveliness of character, so that we may be better able to help souls come to a saving knowledge of the truth as it is in Jesus. May we let go of the things that are not taught in Scripture to lay hold of the things that are clearly revealed, which are essential to our salvation. By beholding Christ, and through the implantation of truth, error can be uprooted, and we can be saved in God's appointed way. Praise God!

"Whenever the message of truth comes home to souls with special power, Satan stirs up his agents to start a dispute over some minor question. Thus he seeks to attract attention from the real issue. Whenever a good work is begun, there are cavilers ready to enter into dispute over forms or technicalities, to draw minds away from the living realities. When it appears that God is about to work in a special manner for His people, let them not be enticed into a controversy that will work only ruin of souls. The questions that most concern us are, Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law? 'He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life.' 'And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.' John 3:36; 1 John 2:3." {The Desire of Ages, page 396, paragraph 3}
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on July 22, 2018, 08:49:07 AM
We do not follow ceremonial laws (Feastkeepers do), but do we follow traditions in the church? Yes, we have an "Adventist" culture that will follow customs rather than following the commandments of God. The world has come into the church and we now see worldly customs being followed. Even when following a commandment,  many will hurt themselves and their children by continuing to use animal products which are very unclean today, but God forbid that they would eat a bite of pork and beans. They would even remove them from the potluck table when brought by a guest. Why? Because it is tradition in the church. It has little to do with the health of the one who will eat from the potluck table.

Today's reading distinguishes between the law of God and the traditions people follow. How does God look upon those who cherish their traditions, but break the law of God? How does God look upon church leaders who do not keep the commandments of God, but follow traditions?

 The people were deceived by them. They were bearing heavy burdens which God had not imposed. Even the disciples of Christ were not wholly free from the yoke that had been bound upon them by inherited prejudice and rabbinical authority. Now, by revealing the true spirit of the rabbis, Jesus sought to free from the bondage of tradition all who were really desirous of serving God.
     "Ye hypocrites," He said, addressing the wily spies, "well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto Me with their mouth, and honoreth Me with their lips; but their heart is far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." The words of Christ were an arraignment of the whole system of Pharisaism. He declared that by placing their requirements above the divine precepts the rabbis were setting themselves above God.
     The deputies from Jerusalem were filled with rage. They could not accuse Christ as a violator of the law given from Sinai, for He spoke as its defender against their traditions. The great precepts of the law, which He had presented, appeared in striking contrast to the petty rules that men had devised.
     To the multitude, and afterward more fully to His disciples, Jesus explained that defilement comes not from without, but from within. Purity and impurity pertain to the soul. It is the evil deed, the evil word, the evil thought, the transgression of the law of God, not the neglect of external, man-made ceremonies, that defiles a man.

The love of Jesus is the power to do good. But, if we have not His love residing in our heart, then we can do no good thing. This chapter today once again speaks of how God looks at those who do not have His love and what He is going to do if there is not repentance.

     But "every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." In place of the authority of the so-called fathers of the church, God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, "I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts." Psalm 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, "In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." 
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on July 22, 2018, 10:25:06 AM
I love how God puts His law in our hearts and minds and stems the tide of moral defilement where it begins--in the heart and mind. We need a total conversion through the power of the "divine nature" (2 Peter 1:4). When Jesus is lifted higher and higher, we see the exceeding sinfulness of sin and the utter inability in our own power to cleanse our lives from sin apart from divine aid. We also realize that Christ will not force His way into our lives. We are invited to "look and live."

 "To the multitude, and afterward more fully to His disciples, Jesus explained that defilement comes not from without, but from within. Purity and impurity pertain to the soul. It is the evil deed, the evil word, the evil thought, the transgression of the law of God, not the neglect of external, man-made ceremonies, that defiles a man." {The Desire of Ages, page 397, paragraph 4}

As a week of Summer Camp (at Michigan's Camp Sagola in Crystal Falls, Michigan) just culminated, I am happy to have had the privilege to point young people (and those of other ages, too) to Jesus, as our theme song "I See Jesus" was an encapsulated reiteration of the counsel we are given in the following two paragraphs of The Desire of Ages:

"It would be well for us to spend a thoughtful hour each day in contemplation of the life of Christ. We should take it point by point, and let the imagination grasp each scene, especially the closing ones. As we thus dwell upon His great sacrifice for us, our confidence in Him will be more constant, our love will be quickened, and we shall be more deeply imbued with His spirit. If we would be saved at last, we must learn the lesson of penitence and humiliation at the foot of the cross." {The Desire of Ages, page 83, paragraph 4}

Regarding how much salvation really cost, it is nothing short of the life of God Himself, as Christ, who is God, would die for us on the tree and come through an experience the cost of which we will not fully realize until we stand before the throne of God. This is stated clearly here:

"Never can the cost of our redemption be realized until the redeemed shall stand with the Redeemer before the throne of God. Then as the glories of the eternal home burst upon our enraptured senses we shall remember that Jesus left all this for us, that He not only became an exile from the heavenly courts, but for us took the risk of failure and eternal loss. Then we shall cast our crowns at His feet, and raise the song, 'Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory, and blessing.' Rev. 5:12." {The Desire of Ages, page 131, paragraph 2}

Here are the lyrics to the song we have been singing this week--may you be blessed!

"I See Jesus"
by Sean Brizendine and William Merrill, 2018

Verse 1
I see Jesus as a Child
Watching silent for a while
The lamb He’d one day be
I see Jesus sweating blood
Filled with pain and filled with love
For all humanity

Chorus
I offer up my life to you,
There’s nothing more that I can do, Jesus
Help me cherish every scene
That culminates at Calvary, My God

Verse 2
I see Jesus as a Man
On a tree with nail in hand
To set the captive free
I see Jesus in the clouds
With His angels coming down
To rescue you and me

(Repeat Chorus)

Verse 3

Some two thousand years ago
He set foot on earth below
To lift from sin’s regime
Fallen man to God above
At the throne, the cost of love
Unfolds the mystery
I see


 
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Dorine on July 22, 2018, 11:21:38 AM
""Ye hypocrites," He said, addressing the wily spies, "well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto Me with their mouth, and honoreth Me with their lips; but their heart is far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." The words of Christ were an arraignment of the whole system of Pharisaism. He declared that by placing their requirements above the divine precepts the rabbis were setting themselves above God."

We are seeing this being fulfilled before our very eyes. We are witnessing horrendous issues that one time we would not even speak of. "As it was in the days of Noah" are now here and have infiltrated the church.  But what a blessed hope we have in Jesus. Family and friends may forsake us but He will  always be with us and take us through to the end. His church will be victorious. We must never take our eyes off Jesus.

Thank you for sharing that song Pastor Sean. Is the tune familiar? I'd like to hear it sung.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on October 17, 2018, 04:29:14 AM
True faith--the faith of Jesus--is expressed in heartfelt obedience accompanied by the unmistakable witness of the Holy Spirit in the life of the converted soul manifest in all of the fruits of the Spirit without one missing. Jesus offers us His presence over man-made traditions; He gives us His life--a life that is pure from within. Apart from Christ, there is no true uplifting from the ruin that sin has wrought. We need Jesus continually!

   "The substitution of the precepts of men for the commandments of God has not ceased. Even among Christians are found institutions and usages that have no better foundation than the traditions of the fathers. Such institutions, resting upon mere human authority, have supplanted those of divine appointment. Men cling to their traditions, and revere their customs, and cherish hatred against those who seek to show them their error. In this day, when we are bidden to call attention to the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, we see the same enmity as was manifested in the days of Christ. Of the remnant people of God it is written, 'The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.' Revelation 12:17." {The Desire of Ages, page 398, paragraph 3} 
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Dorine on October 17, 2018, 09:34:33 AM
But "every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." In place of the authority of the so-called fathers of the church, God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, "I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts." Psalm 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, "In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." 

Here we see our only safety. No matter what man is saying or writing we are to go to God's word for the truth.  David understood the importance of believing God's word and doing His will. It is a wall of protection for each of us. Instead of listening and being persuaded by every wind of doctrine, opinions and ideas that come from the mouths of men and women we are to be grounded in God's word knowing that here is pure and total truth. No chance of error.  By faith that's where I want to be and that's where I want to stay. Planted firmly in truth by God Himself.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Dorine on January 12, 2019, 03:58:36 AM
   "Ye hypocrites," He said, addressing the wily spies, "well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto Me with their mouth, and honoreth Me with their lips; but their heart is far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." The words of Christ were an arraignment of the whole system of Pharisaism. He declared that by placing their requirements above the divine precepts the rabbis were setting themselves above God. 

I spent some time this morning going back over the years of posts on this chapter. I came across a discussion on whether God destroys or not. It is very timely because this belief has been quietly circulating in our area and is becoming quite loud now.

It's a shock because it's being picked up and shared by some of the 'spiritual' leaders who I have had much respect for their understanding of bible truth. It's not heard from the pulpits (yet). But it is being heard discussed in coat rooms, entry ways, church yard, class rooms and even in some S.S. classes. As I read today's reading the above quote can certainly be applied to this current teaching.

We must hold tight to the bible and SOP and ever be in an attitude of prayer and humble surrender or we will be led astray putting our wisdom above God's. What a frightening thought.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on January 12, 2019, 05:00:40 AM
Weeding. We need it. Whether it is from tradition, our own fallen nature, or the culture around us, anything that is not planted by our Heavenly Father in our characters needs to be rooted up and replaced with the living, heavenly plant of true love, implanted by the Holy Spirit as we behold the loveliness of Jesus! Let us cooperate with Him as He weeds us of all the ideas, habits, customs and practices that are not preparing us for heaven. We can ask, "Does this weigh me down? Does this help me heavenward?" If the answer is "No," then in the fear of God let us lay aside the sin and weight that so easily besets us and cleave to Jesus who alone can help us to walk with Him true righteousness--a righteousness manifest in the character whereby all of the fruits of the Spirit are seen in our lives, and not one is missing!

"But 'every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.' In place of the authority of the so-called fathers of the church, God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, 'I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts.' Psalm 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, 'In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.'" {The Desire of Ages, page 398, paragraph 4}

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on January 12, 2019, 08:42:59 AM
Amen, Pastor Sean. The Holy Spirit reveals sin in the life. He also reveals truth. Which do we want? Who do we want? Time is running out. The end is near. A separation is taking place before our eyes. The truth is the two edged sword which will separate the sheep from the goats. God leaves us with free will to follow the doctrines of man or the commandments He has given. If we do not love Jesus supremely, we are choosing the wrong direction. Let us turn from self to Christ. His ways are best. He is worthy to be loved and followed. "The questions that most concern us are, Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law? "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life." "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments." John 3:36; 1 John 2:3. 

     But "every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." In place of the authority of the so-called fathers of the church, God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, "I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts." Psalm 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, "In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." 

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Beacon on January 12, 2019, 11:48:25 AM
"The substitution of the precepts of men for the commandments of God has not ceased. Even among Christians are found institutions and usages that have no better foundation than the traditions of the fathers. Such institutions, resting upon mere human authority, have supplanted those of divine appointment. Men cling to their traditions, and revere their customs, and cherish hatred against those who seek to show them their error. In this day, when we are bidden to call attention to the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, we see the same enmity as was manifested in the days of Christ. Of the remnant people of God it is written, "The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17[/color].[/color]

Are you , Am I , ready for this testing time which will come to all of God's people in the near future. Oh my brothers and sister, let us say with the Psalmist David written in Psalms 139..."  23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

"The testing time will come to all, when the hopes of many who have for years thought themselves secure, will be seen to be without foundation. When in new positions, under varied circumstances, some who have seemed to be pillars in the house of God reveal only rotten timber beneath the paint and varnish. But the humble in heart, who have daily felt the importance of riveting their souls to the eternal Rock, will stand unmoved amid the tempests of trial, because they trusted not to themselves. “The foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his” (2 Timothy 2:19). {SL 12.1




Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: JimB on April 09, 2019, 05:28:09 AM
Jesus made no attempt to defend Himself or His disciples. He made no reference to the charges against Him, but proceeded to show the spirit that actuated these sticklers for human rites. He gave them an example of what they were repeatedly doing, and had done just before coming in search of Him.

This is something that I need to be reminded of often. It was a rarity (maybe never) that Jesus answered people's objections and stated errors. He just kept on proclaiming truth. Maybe because He knew the heart? Sometimes I find it hard to keep away from the thought process that if I can only answer their objection they will change their mind(s). However, as we read through the gospel we know this normally isn't true. The objectors usually will just bring another argument so you're left going in circles and accomplishing little. The only time when this probably isn't the case is when someone is truly searching for truth and their questions are answered they accept it.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on April 09, 2019, 06:06:04 AM
Amen Jim. We ought not be so concerned with those who want to argue. Jesus sought out those who were seeking the truth. Those whose hearts were open to the truth He labored with. The woman at the well, Nicodemus, and His disciples are good examples. He did not speak in parables to His disciples. When met with "wolves" in sheep's clothing, He did not argue on their terms, but left them utterly without words to speak. Eventually they ceased discussions with Him for they knew they would be confounded.

Today's reading is a condemnation of the ways of man, traditions which are so highly valued by many in the church. We might not think this is in our church, but it is. We have an "Adventist" culture which is alive and well. An example can be seen in the fact that we are "vegetarians." For what reason? It is a tradition. When many are shown that milk and dairy transmit animal diseases to humans, even cancer, these "Adventists" refuse to accept the truth, but continue on not eating meat, especially pig. When quoted scientific studies, and Spirit of Prophecy concerning the subject, they reject the truth but continue being "Adventist" vegetarians. We see this at the highest levels in the church, even with the leaders in health ministries.

     But "every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." In place of the authority of the so-called fathers of the church, God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, "I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts." Psalm 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, "In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

Such a blessing to understand.

Such institutions, resting upon mere human authority, have supplanted those of divine appointment. Men cling to their traditions, and revere their customs, and cherish hatred against those who seek to show them their error.
Jesus and His followers experience this.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Beacon on April 09, 2019, 06:23:51 AM
"Whenever the message of truth comes home to souls with special power, Satan stirs up his agents to start a dispute over some minor question. Thus he seeks to attract attention from the real issue. Whenever a good work is begun, there are cavilers ready to enter into dispute over forms or technicalities, to draw minds away from the living realities. When it appears that God is about to work in a special manner for His people, let them not be enticed into a controversy that will work only ruin of souls."

Brothers and Sisters - Do not be distracted by the enemy. Our church today is facing a huge undermining of true Bible Interpretation. Cling to your Bibles. Pray and study as never before! Our enemy is going about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.  He will succeed "only " if we neglect to read God's Holy Word and His special gift for this time through the Spirit of Prophecy. God says... " My people perish for a lack of knowledge." Hosea 4:6 

"The questions that most concern us are, Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law? "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life." "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments." John 3:36; 1 John 2:3.  
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on April 09, 2019, 07:58:55 AM
Amen, Jim, Richard, and Beacon!

We are not sent into the world to combat everyone's false ideas, but to present the truth as it is in Jesus, knowing that the most effective way to deal with error is to plant truth. May we also be refreshed and encouraged by Jesus' manner of dealing with controversy--in that rather than enter into it, He kept presenting eternal truth that would show the inconsistency of error. So today, even in God's church, when there are so many who preach false gospels--and there are so many--we might think it necessary to combat every nuance of error and inconsistency. How? By presenting the Bible's plain teaching on the sinfulness of humanity and our utter need of conversion, the power of grace to change sinners into saints by renewing the heart and mind, and the resulting transformation manifest in the revelation of the fruits of the Spirit being in the life without one missing, we can be thankful that when truth is clearly revealed, the errors do not harmonize with the everlasting gospel. Jesus has sent us to uplift the cross and to proclaim real righteousness by real faith. May we not get side-tracked by trying to defend ourselves. I am thankful for Jesus' perfect example!

 "Jesus made no attempt to defend Himself or His disciples. He made no reference to the charges against Him, but proceeded to show the spirit that actuated these sticklers for human rites. He gave them an example of what they were repeatedly doing, and had done just before coming in search of Him. 'Full well ye reject the commandment of God,' He said, 'that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honor thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: but ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. And ye suffer him no more to do aught for his father or his mother.' They set aside the fifth commandment as of no consequence, but were very exact in carrying out the traditions of the elders. They taught the people that the devotion of their property to the temple was a duty more sacred than even the support of their parents; and that, however great the necessity, it was sacrilege to impart to father or mother any part of what had been thus consecrated. An undutiful child had only to pronounce the word "Corban" over his property, thus devoting it to God, and he could retain it for his own use during his lifetime, and after his death it was to be appropriated to the temple service. Thus he was at liberty, both in life and in death, to dishonor and defraud his parents, under cover of a pretended devotion to God." {The Desire of Ages, page 396, paragraph 4} 

Every false principle wars against the unselfish love to God and to our neighbor manifest in Christ's everlasting gospel. When we are seeking not to evade responsibility or the searching conviction of the Holy Spirit who shows us our sinfulness and our deep need of repentance, we can be thankful that Christ came not to condemn, but to save and to help us see our constant need of union and communion with Him!
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Dorine on April 09, 2019, 08:15:53 AM
Amen, Jim, Richard, and Beacon!

We are not sent into the world to combat everyone's false ideas, but to present the truth as it is in Jesus, knowing that the most effective way to deal with error is to plant truth. May we also be refreshed and encouraged by Jesus' manner of dealing with controversy--in that rather than enter into it, He kept presenting eternal truth that would show the inconsistency of error.

Amen Pastor. I am so thankful for Jesus's example. If left to my own wisdom I would do it all wrong. In walking with Jesus each day He keeps us on the straight and narrow road. Words and actions come from the attitude of the heart and that's were the Pharisees, priests and rulers erred and we will too if we are not spending that thoughtful hour each and every day with Christ.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Beacon on July 04, 2019, 07:07:01 PM
"Whenever the message of truth comes home to souls with special power, Satan stirs up his agents to start a dispute over some minor question. Thus he seeks to attract attention from the real issue. Whenever a good work is begun, there are cavilers ready to enter into dispute over forms or technicalities, to draw minds away from the living realities. When it appears that God is about to work in a special manner for His people, let them not be enticed into a controversy that will work only ruin of souls."

"The questions that most concern us are, Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law? "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life." "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments." John 3:36; 1 John 2:3.

Looking unto Jesus, we must keep our eyes fixed upon Him, remembering what happened to Peter when he took his eyes off Jesus while walking on the water on the Sea of Galilee and he looked at the huge waves. The following verses help to remind us of where our courage and comfort are found.

John 13:17
If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

1 Peter 3:14
But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled.

1 Peter 4:14
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Dorine on July 05, 2019, 06:31:23 AM
"To the multitude, and afterward more fully to His disciples, Jesus explained that defilement comes not from without, but from within. Purity and impurity pertain to the soul. It is the evil deed, the evil word, the evil thought, the transgression of the law of God, not the neglect of external, man-made ceremonies, that defiles a man."

This may not be comparing apples to apples but I was thinking that the opposite is also true. If we are using methods and new ideas to bring peace and satisfaction to our soul then we will be left empty. The reason I say this is because every time new officers are elected (in our area) they have a new idea of how to bring more people into the church and to have the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Each method fails. I've had discussions with some who 'by-pass' the suggestion that it starts with an individual surrender of the heart to Christ.  They make the 'methods' (which is without) more important than what is 'within'. (pure deeds, pure words, pure thoughts which is a result of a complete surrender to Jesus)

We need heart transplants each and every day and instead of  taking on the job of the Holy Spirit we need to open our hearts and let Him in so He may change our hearts and if we are planting the seeds then we can trust Him to do the harvesting.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on July 05, 2019, 09:35:32 AM
Amen, Brother Beacon and Sister Dorine!

Jesus longs to create pure hearts in us, and He has promised to do this if we will simply receive His promises by faith (see Ezekiel 36:26 and 2 Peter 1:4). The simplicity of the gospel helps us to walk securely in new situations and to help the church to truly grow in spiritual life by having Christ in us, the hope of glory! May we not be distracted by minor questions when Christ desires us to know Him in whom is eternal life!

"Whenever the message of truth comes home to souls with special power, Satan stirs up his agents to start a dispute over some minor question. Thus he seeks to attract attention from the real issue. Whenever a good work is begun, there are cavilers ready to enter into dispute over forms or technicalities, to draw minds away from the living realities. When it appears that God is about to work in a special manner for His people, let them not be enticed into a controversy that will work only ruin of souls. The questions that most concern us are, Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law? 'He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life.' 'And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.' John 3:36; 1 John 2:3." {The Desire of Ages, page 396, paragraph 3}

Satan knows that if he cannot get us to go directly in to sin, that he can try a method of dictation or diversion. But here is where we need to watch and pray that we will abide in Christ and not be diverted from the things that are truly important--of knowing Christ and having a continual surrender to Him by living faith so that all of the fruits of the Spirit are manifest in our lives without one missing!
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on July 05, 2019, 09:37:43 PM
Again, what a blessing to read the blessings all are receiving daily as the Holy Spirit touches our hearts with such important truths!

This morning I was so very blessed to understand that God has things under His control. When we see the apostasy in the church and her institutions, we sorrow. But, we need not think that this will go on forever.

    He answered, "Every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." The customs and traditions so highly valued by the rabbis were of this world, not from heaven. However great their authority with the people, they could not endure the testing of God. Every human invention that has been substituted for the commandments of God will be found worthless in that day when "God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." Ecclesiastes 12:14.
     The substitution of the precepts of men for the commandments of God has not ceased. Even among Christians are found institutions and usages that have no better foundation than the traditions of the fathers. Such institutions, resting upon mere human authority, have supplanted those of divine appointment. Men cling to their traditions, and revere their customs, and cherish hatred against those who seek to show them their error. In this day, when we are bidden to call attention to the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, we see the same enmity as was manifested in the days of Christ. Of the remnant people of God it is written, "The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17.
     But "every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." In place of the authority of the so-called fathers of the church, God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, "I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts." Psalm 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, "In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Beacon on September 27, 2019, 06:28:09 PM
"In this day, when we are bidden to call attention to the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, we see the same enmity as was manifested in the days of Christ. Of the remnant people of God it is written."

 "The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17.

"But "every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." In place of the authority of the so-called fathers of the church, God bids us accept the Word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error."

Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, Mathew 15:9 says... "In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

Jesus said in Psalm 119:11 "Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee."

My brothers and sisters in Jesus.....Let us cling to the inspired words as recorded in our Holy Bible. There are many voices claiming to have "New Light"  but our only surety can be found in the instruction given through the Holy Spirit to God's servants both in the Old and the New Testament.  God's promise to us is this as found in.... Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on September 28, 2019, 03:31:07 AM
Amen, Brother Beacon! Happy Sabbath!! Praise the Lord, for He is good, and His word is our only safe foundation as a revelation of true character--the character of Christ by which we see God's grace and may overcome every defect in our characters!

"But 'every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.' In place of the authority of the so-called fathers of the church, God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, 'I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts.' Psalm 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, 'In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.'" {The Desire of Ages, page 398, paragraph 4}

Let us depend upon Jesus to uproot anything from our characters that is not of Him, and follow the humble steps He took in pleasing the Father, as He lived by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. In Christ is our only safety against the unhallowed effects of self-love, self-indulgence, and temptation to sin. In Christ is complete healing for body, mind and soul as we appropriate His merits to our life experience, yielding the whole heart to Christ to cleanse and purify!   
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Dorine on September 28, 2019, 05:46:26 AM
.....God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, "I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts." Psalm 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, "In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

When we are confronted by those who say "I have my interpretation of scripture and you have yours" we can know that they do not know what they are talking about. It's not man's interpretation of the bible that decides what is truth and error but the bible interprets itself. When our hearts are open to truth we will be guided by the Holy Spirit into all truth. Not just some of the truth or even most of the truth but all truth.

We are living in very interesting times. Never through out my life time did we face the spurious teachings that we now have. Our only safety is in the study of the scriptures and the SOP. Comparing scripture with scripture and reading each in their context. Isaiah 8:20 says...."To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." As we spend time each day with Jesus, beholding His beauty and being changed into His character, the scriptures will speak loudly and plainly to us so that we will know like David that we have more understanding than all those that are proclaiming their own understanding and theories of scripture.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on December 23, 2019, 06:53:08 AM
Amen, Sister Dorine!!

The simplicity of the gospel and having a true conversion is the great focus of the Bible. Let us keep our true focus on Jesus—the way the Scripture interprets itself!

“Whenever the message of truth comes home to souls with special power, Satan stirs up his agents to start a dispute over some minor question. Thus he seeks to attract attention from the real issue. Whenever a good work is begun, there are cavilers ready to enter into dispute over forms or technicalities, to draw minds away from the living realities. When it appears that God is about to work in a special manner for His people, let them not be enticed into a controversy that will work only ruin of souls. The questions that most concern us are, Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law? ‘He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life.’ ‘And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.’ John 3:36; 1 John 2:3.” {The Desire of Ages, page 396, paragraph 3}

The evidence of truly believing on the Son of God is that the Holy Spirit imbues our lives with all of the fruits of the Spirit so that not one is missing. The same Holy Spirit who lives in us in true conversion always leads us to wholeheartedly obey all of the Ten Commandments out of a true appreciation of Christ’s character!
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on December 23, 2019, 02:52:54 PM
Amen Pastor Sean. If we love Jesus supremely, there is a difference in character. The Holy Spirit takes possession of the heart and empowers repent sinners to reveal love, joy, and peace that passeth all understanding. Do we look to books written by erring man, or are we in love with Bible truth? If we continue to spend time reading what man writes, the chances are really good that we shall be deceived. In His church today are many who are teaching error because they were taught error.

     The substitution of the precepts of men for the commandments of God has not ceased. Even among Christians are found institutions and usages that have no better foundation than the traditions of the fathers. Such institutions, resting upon mere human authority, have supplanted those of divine appointment. Men cling to their traditions, and revere their customs, and cherish hatred against those who seek to show them their error. In this day, when we are bidden to call attention to the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, we see the same enmity as was manifested in the days of Christ. Of the remnant people of God it is written, "The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17.
     But "every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." In place of the authority of the so-called fathers of the church, God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, "I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts." Psalm 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, "In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." 
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Beacon on March 18, 2020, 06:15:18 PM
"Never can the cost of our redemption be realized until the redeemed shall stand with the Redeemer before the throne of God. Then as the glories of the eternal home burst upon our enraptured senses we shall remember that Jesus left all this for us, that He not only became an exile from the heavenly courts, but for us took the risk of failure and eternal loss. Then we shall cast our crowns at His feet, and raise the song,"

'Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory, and blessing." Rev. 5:12."

"It would be well for us to spend a thoughtful hour each day in contemplation of the life of Christ. We should take it point by point, and let the imagination grasp each scene, especially the closing ones. As we thus dwell upon His great sacrifice for us, our confidence in Him will be more constant, our love will be quickened, and we shall be more deeply imbued with His spirit. If we would be saved at last, we must learn the lesson of penitence and humiliation at the foot of the cross."

" Take time to be holy, speak oft with thy Lord; Abide in Him always, and feed on His Word. Make friends of God’s children, help those who are weak, Forgetting in nothing His blessing to seek.( SDA Hymnal Page.500 )
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on March 19, 2020, 05:10:43 AM
Amen, Brother Beacon! Thank you for sharing those paragraphs from The Desire of Ages, page 131, paragraph 2 and The Desire of Ages, page 83, paragraph 4! What encouraging truth we find throughout this beautiful book to help us turn our thoughts for Christ above tradition!!

What God plants will last for eternity. What man attempts to do in opposition to God's word will pass away, like chaff to the wheat. May we choose daily to have our characters firmly established upon the word of God, so that in beholding Jesus in His loveliness, yielding the whole heart to Him, and abiding in His Spirit, He may manifest through us all of the fruits of His Spirit without one missing and a revelation of a life that is in harmony with His law of love. Only as we prioritize that which is spiritual and eternal will we find the true peace that passes understanding and be given wisdom to navigate through the storms of life where tradition in many instances supplants the word of God. God's word is a safe foundation!! Build on Jesus, the Rock, the Word!!

"He answered, 'Every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.' The customs and traditions so highly valued by the rabbis were of this world, not from heaven. However great their authority with the people, they could not endure the testing of God. Every human invention that has been substituted for the commandments of God will be found worthless in that day when 'God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.' Ecclesiastes 12:14." {The Desire of Ages, page 398, paragraph 2}

Those who are abiding in Jesus when the time of trouble comes, though it will be a very trying ordeal, need not be living in fear, because they have chosen to have a character established in harmony with God's word and have allowed the Holy Spirit to lead them step by step. Let us keep walking in the path the word has revealed, and not in the mazes of tradition that lead to confusion and death.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on March 19, 2020, 10:53:24 PM
Amen Pastor Sean. A little time of trouble has come upon the whole world "suddenly." The world will know there is a God in heaven when they see a reflection of Him in human flesh today When things are going well Christian character can be seen, but when great trouble comes then there is a very clear difference seen between those who love Jesus and those who do not. Those who reject God will be angry when they are seen to be false teachers.

     The disciples noted the rage of the spies as their false teaching was exposed. They saw the angry looks, and heard the half-muttered words of dissatisfaction and revenge. Forgetting how often Christ had given evidence that He read the heart as an open book, they told Him of the effect of His words. Hoping that He might conciliate the enraged officials, they said to Jesus, "Knowest Thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?"
     He answered, "Every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." The customs and traditions so highly valued by the rabbis were of this world, not from heaven. However great their authority with the people, they could not endure the testing of God. Every human invention that has been substituted for the commandments of God will be found worthless in that day when "God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." Ecclesiastes 12:14.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Dorine on March 20, 2020, 05:47:52 AM
  "He answered, "Every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." The customs and traditions so highly valued by the rabbis were of this world, not from heaven. However great their authority with the people, they could not endure the testing of God. Every human invention that has been substituted for the commandments of God will be found worthless in that day when "God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." Ecclesiastes 12:14."

God is preparing a people for His soon coming. He will do whatever is possible to wake us up. I want to obey willingly and cheerfully for He loves me and knows what is best for me. If my habits are in contradiction to God's commandments then I'm in a serious condition. There is still time to give our all to Him but time is running out. We need to be spending more time in prayer and the study of God's word. May God help us look to Him and live.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on June 14, 2020, 05:13:59 AM
Let us not become distracted from Jesus Christ and Him crucified. He is coming again in power and great glory, and He is preparing His people for the trials ahead. As we spend time in union and communion with Christ, we find great love, joy and peace (and all of the fruits of the Spirit without one missing) as we learn to abide in Christ continually! Total surrender is the place of complete healing rest and strength to overcome what the enemy has intended in our lives for evil. But as we submit all we have and are to Christ, He helps us rise above tradition and learn to walk in the freedom of total surrendered obedience to His word, which shall never pass away!

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away" (Matthew 24:35). It is so worth it to make our focus Christ and His word, where beholding His loveliness of character we become changed into His image by the Holy Spirit!

"Whenever the message of truth comes home to souls with special power, Satan stirs up his agents to start a dispute over some minor question. Thus he seeks to attract attention from the real issue. Whenever a good work is begun, there are cavilers ready to enter into dispute over forms or technicalities, to draw minds away from the living realities. When it appears that God is about to work in a special manner for His people, let them not be enticed into a controversy that will work only ruin of souls. The questions that most concern us are, Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law? 'He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life.' 'And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.' John 3:36; 1 John 2:3." {The Desire of Ages, page 396, paragraph 3}
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Beacon on June 14, 2020, 10:09:08 AM
"Every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." The customs and traditions so highly valued by the rabbis were of this world, not from heaven. However great their authority with the people, they could not endure the testing of God. Every human invention that has been substituted for the commandments of God will be found worthless in that day when "God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." Ecclesiastes 12:14.

Our only safe source of spiritual information and instruction should always be guided by the principle of "SOLA SCRIPTURA, Which mean we use the Bible and the Bible only as the basis of Divine instruction, then we will know, believe, and practice only what comes from the the True Source. Human interpretation and guidance should only be used as a secondary source and must be checked and verified with a " Thus Sayeth The Lord."

Psalm 119:105 says, "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path."
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Dorine on June 14, 2020, 03:13:02 PM
Whenever the message of truth comes home to souls with special power, Satan stirs up his agents to start a dispute over some minor question. Thus he seeks to attract attention from the real issue. Whenever a good work is begun, there are cavilers ready to enter into dispute over forms or technicalities, to draw minds away from the living realities. When it appears that God is about to work in a special manner for His people, let them not be enticed into a controversy that will work only ruin of souls. The questions that most concern us are, Do I believe with saving faith on the Son of God? Is my life in harmony with the divine law? "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life." "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments." John 3:36; 1 John 2:3.

Oh how true are these words. Wonderful counsel to keep us from getting off track or being pulled into controversy over issues that have nothing to do with our salvation.
Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--42--Tradition
Post by: Richard Myers on June 15, 2020, 07:46:03 AM
Amen, amen, and amen!!  What powerful present truth.

   But "every plant, which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." In place of the authority of the so-called fathers of the church, God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth. Here alone is truth unmixed with error. David said, "I have more understanding than all my teachers: for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Thy precepts." Psalm 119:99, 100. Let all who accept human authority, the customs of the church, or the traditions of the fathers, take heed to the warning conveyed in the words of Christ, "In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." 

If we as a people would follow this counsel, we would see Jesus coming quickly. God is not pleased with those who darken  His counsel by words without knowledge (Job 38:1-3).