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News => Coronavirus Pandemic 2019 => Topic started by: rahab on February 25, 2020, 06:56:17 PM

Title: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on February 25, 2020, 06:56:17 PM
It is a RNA virus and those mutate often so there is no sense in making or getting any vaccine of any sort.

It originated with close contact with bats and humans.

Best defense is to keep your immune system strong!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 26, 2020, 06:15:03 AM
Thank you for that information, Rahab. and, welcome to our fellowship! 

Can you explain why it is that vaccines are developed for the flu each year? Is there a difference between the type of virus?  They are not usually RNAs?  I believe they have a vaccine for other Corona Viruses for animals.

Are SARS and MERS both RNA viruses?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 26, 2020, 07:08:57 AM
Realizing the interest in this possible "pandemic," we have begun this topic to gather more information, and to add a warning that the connection between animal diseases and human disease is real and worthy of study. Having ceased eating the carcasses of dead animals and their milk and eggs over 30 years ago, I have lived twice as long as my father who died young from a heart attack. Are we not blessed to have knowledge of the risks in eating animals products?

Here is an article I found helpful in learning more about the Corona Virus that began in China and is spreading to other countries. It is has been named 2019-nCoV and is being called Covid19.  The 19 indicates it was discovered in 2019. It belongs to the family of corona viruses which include SARS and MERS. They infect humans, other mammals, and birds. The thinking so far is that there is a connection with bats and Covid19. source (https://www.sciencealert.com/coronavirus)

While the infection rate world-wide is a concern, how would we compare the numbers to those infected and dying from cancer? Gives pause to wonder why so many neglect to be more concerned about the relationship between eating animal products from animals that have a cancer virus such as dairy cows.source (http://remnant-online.com/smf/index.php/topic,3216.0.html)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 26, 2020, 04:04:10 PM
How does the Covid19 virus spread? Like many other respiratory virus diseases, it can spread when infected people cough into the air. The virus then can infect by breathing in the virus while it is in the air. It can also infect the eyes from the air or by touching  the eyes with hands that have come in contact with the virus. If someone coughs into their hands and then you shake hands with them, the virus will be transferred to your hands. Washing the hands can remove the virus. If not removed, it can then move into the mouth, eyes, nose and infect the individual. Period of symptoms can be from 2 to 14 days after infected. Some can remain without symptoms and can carry the virus to others.

If the virus came from bats, how was it transmitted to those who first became infected?  When we read the  Bible, we may gain much information as to how disease can be transmitted to humans.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on February 26, 2020, 06:53:01 PM
Thank you for that information, Rahab. and, welcome to our fellowship! 

Can you explain why it is that vaccines are developed for the flu each year? Is there a difference between the type of virus?  They are not usually RNAs?  I believe they have a vaccine for other Corona Viruses for animals.

Are SARS and MERS both RNA viruses?
Thank you. 

They develop the vaccines based on the information already shown in hopes that the same strain will appear again.  Often times it does not.  Unfortunately, people will get sick anyway unless they have a strong immune system. 

Yes SARS and MERS were/are both RNA viruses and mutate often and therefore it is very hard to try and predict how they will mutate....

If you go back in history I believe that we had a  seminary in Minnesota back in the 1918s that had a great cure rate (100%) for those students that came down with the flu.   I believe they used lots of bed rest and did foamentations on the patients.  It would seem to me with that kind of a cure rate, we should all look into this and do these kinds of procedures on those that are sick today!! 

I wish I had more of the details.  Maybe someone here does.  I'd welcome anything that you can dig up. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on February 26, 2020, 06:58:33 PM
How does the Covid19 virus spread? Like many other respiratory virus diseases, it can spread when infected people cough into the air. The virus then can infect by breathing in the virus while it is in the air. It can also infect the eyes from the air or by touching  the eyes with hands that have come in contact with the virus. If someone coughs into their hands and then you shake hands with them, the virus will be transferred to your hands. Washing the hands can remove the virus. If not removed, it can then move into the mouth, eyes, nose and infect the individual. Period of symptoms can be from 2 to 14 days after infected. Some can remain without symptoms and can carry the virus to others.

If the virus came from bats, how was it transmitted to those who first became infected?  When we read the  Bible, we may gain much information as to how disease can be transmitted to humans.

Not sure.  Ebola apparently came from a cave infested with bats and people went into the cave.  It would seem that people must come in close contact with the animals and breathe the same air that is infested with germs. 

Diseases that cross species barriers seem more prevalent than ever. 

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Dorine on February 27, 2020, 05:51:28 AM
It's my understanding (I do not have the source) that bats are even eaten in China.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 27, 2020, 06:30:13 AM
Yes, Sister Dorine,  bats are eaten in China and other Asian countries.  All of the animal world put humans at risk since they transfer disease to humans. It never used to be this way. God revealed in Scripture that while eating animals reduced the lifespan from over 900 to 70 years, there were some animals that were unclean and were to be never eaten. One such creature that was forbidden because it was unclean and would put humans at risk was the bat. From Leviticus:

 11:13   And these [are they which] ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they [are] an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the osprey, 
 11:14   And the vulture, and the kite after his kind; 
 11:15   Every raven after his kind; 
 11:16   And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckoo, and the hawk after his kind, 
 11:17   And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl, 
 11:18   And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle, 
 11:19   And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat. 

By saying that the practice is found in the Asian countries, is not racist, but it is because many cultures from that area of the world have not the knowledge of Scripture. What the Bible says is unclean does not mean that since Leviticus was written things have not gotten worse. Now, so many animals, fowls, and fish are diseased, there is no safety in eating any animal product. We have evidence before us that many diseases that are fatal are being transferred to humans from the animal world. And, it is not just from eating them. Touch not the unclean thing, for disease is thus being transferred.

It is well known that there are markets in China that sell live wildlife including bats. There is such a market in Wuhan and this is where it is said the disease began.  "In recent weeks, Chinese government officials have said they've learned from "past mistakes" —  top officials have reportedly warned lower-level officials to not cover up the spread of the new coronavirus, which has been linked to an animal and seafood market in the city of Wuhan and is now said to be transmissible between humans." source (https://www.foxnews.com/health/us-health-officials-on-coronavirus-outbreak)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 27, 2020, 07:00:13 AM
Asia is no longer without light regarding health and disease. God is working in China and there are within this country many Seventh-day Adventist Christians who have access to the principles of health as revealed in the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy. We have many Chinese reading here at Remnant Online, especially before we had to use a firewall to prevent hackers from overrunning our site. Sadly, many are now excluded until we can find a solution.

We have in this Healthful Living Forum 20 years of information on health. For many it will be too much to understand, but if one will slowly read what has been written they will find a blessing. There is much we can do to have a strong immune system that is the key to preventing disease. Also, the Author of these truths we have learned still has the power to heal and raise the dead as Jesus did when He walked on this Earth 2,020 years ago. He is the Great Physician and in Him is life everlasting as well as health for those living on the Earth today. We pray for the people of China, that His light may shine upon their nation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on February 27, 2020, 11:10:09 AM
It's my understanding (I do not have the source) that bats are even eaten in China.
   :o :o :o          :'(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wally on February 27, 2020, 05:31:48 PM
It's my understanding (I do not have the source) that bats are even eaten in China.

Oh, they eat all kinds of weird stuff over there.  Of course, some folks eat some pretty weird stuff over here:  lobster, shrimp, clams, etc.  And then there's Kimchi.   Looks and smells just like compost that hasn't finished composting; yum, yum.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 28, 2020, 08:41:39 AM
It is hard to  believe, but some would even eat these:  Take a look (https://www.reddit.com/r/bodybuilding/comments/2t75nh/made_this_for_my_bodybuilding_friend_with_small/)

Even not diseased, would you really kill and eat one of them?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 28, 2020, 09:14:55 AM
Yesterday it was revealed Cavid19 (Coronavirus) has come to America. It is in the wild,  beyond those brought into the US already infected. A woman was diagnosed with it after being infected for some time who was not in contact with those who are known to be infected in the US. How did she contract the virus? No one knows at this point. The CDC, the hospital, nor the governor of California will disclose who she is, the town where she lives, nor where she has been that others may have contracted the virus from her. She is in the hospital in Sacramento California, and had been seen at the hospital in Vacaville California which is very close to Travis Air Force Base which is in Fairfield California.

Since she was so very close to those who have the disease in Fairfield, it appears the government is not able to keep the virus out of the public?  And, if they will not disclose where she has been, then others who she does not know, but may have been infected, will not know they are infected until symptoms appear. Meanwhile they will be exposing others to the virus. This is how a pandemic occurs. And, it was going to happen anyway because our southern border is open, and open to those who seek to hurt us. When Ebola was running rampant in Africa, the governments there had the wisdom to close their borders, but no so in California where they have an open border and encourage illegal entry into the United States.

Are we not thankful we have a God who loves us and cares for us?

Read more (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-02-28/intense-search-in-california-for-others-exposed-to-coronavirus-patient)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 28, 2020, 09:45:57 AM
Solano County health officer said less than a hundred who were in contact with the infected woman are in quarantine. But, here is the truth not being explained. 85 of those 100 were health workers. So, how many who are not health workers who were in close contact, 15? How  many days was she able to infect others? She only was in contact with 15 people? And the people the 85 were in contact with?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wally on February 28, 2020, 03:50:51 PM
Something very strange is going on.  We've had SARS, MERS, Swine Flu, H1N1, etc., etc., but never have we had the hype and hysteria over something like this, which has a death rate of only about 2%.  People are beginning to behave irrationally, and the news media is contributing to the hysteria.  If one substituted the word "influenza" for "COVID-19," what would the reaction be?    From the CDC we have this:  "CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010."  And that's just in the US.  Of course, many of those who have the flu never go to the hospital.  I went to the hospital once for the flu,  only because the symptoms were worse than usual.  They told me I had the flu and to go home and drink lots of water.   ::)  How many people have died in the US  from this new virus?  ZERO.  Those who have died in other countries are the same kinds of people who generally die from the flu:  the elderly and people with weakened immune systems.  So far there have been around 85,000 cases of COVID-19, and fewer than 3000 people have died.  That's over a period of 2 months.  That can be extrapolated to just over 1 million cases in a year (although it should decrease in the summer), and maybe 36,000 deaths.  Why the panic?

A little common sense would go a long way.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on February 29, 2020, 07:21:27 PM
seems that this virus is going to be more serious than the 1918 flu because of the incubation period
when outbreaks happen that cannot be accounted for, tells us that this can really skyrocket 

Why would countries like Japan start closing the schools and thinking about closing the churches?

I think that the numbers are being concealed.
 
We must not think this is just a China problem, or a Japan problem, or a South Korea problem, Thailand, etc. 

stay healthy, eat healthy, rest when tired,  fomentations work !!

symptoms:   fever, dry coughing, shortness of breath

the tests for this are not that good... not everyone is getting tested.... do we really know how many people are infected?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on February 29, 2020, 08:27:16 PM
The only positive thing I can think of is that if spring comes early for us and people get outside in the fresh air and sunshine, it might help bring this thing to an end.

Just reported the first death and the man was in his 50s.  I've heard of some SDA churches in Florida are cancelling outreach programs.  A new outbreak unrelated to the rest, just occurred in Illinois and they are not saying where the person is. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 01, 2020, 07:27:38 AM
If I remember right, only a tenth of a percent die from the flu in the US. While Covid19 is not as bad as SARS, it still has a death rate so far around 2% and its ability to infect before there are symptoms makes it dangerous. 2 out of hundred means that if your church attendance is around 400 then at a rate of 2% how many will die if all are infected? Eight. And if they all are infected with the flu, how many will die? Most likely none. So as I see it, we ought to be concerned if the spread is not contained. While Trump may be more efficient at dealing with the bureaucracy than some other administrations, it does not give me confidence to have our safety in the hands of those who leave cows on the milking line that are infected with Bovine Leukemia Virus, or are allowing sewer sludge to be spread on our farm lands.

If the government will not allow us to know where the infections are popping up, then we are at greater risk than if we knew where the virus was actively working. If we knew where the infected individuals traveled, it would encourage me that the spread was being truly blocked to a degree. Those on the ship were quarantined. Those in a store at the same time where an infected individual went ought to be warned, if not quarantined. If not, then this appears to have the ability to rapidly grow in the numbers being infected.

And, yes, Wally is right about there being a political aspect where those who hate the policies of the conservative administration are hoping that this will turn into a crisis that can be blamed on Trump. How very sad. Our food and water will be made sure, and so will our safety if we do not fear death, for it is only a brief sleep for all love God supremely and are keeping His commandments.

If God allows more time for us, we can expect this outbreak is only a shadow of what is coming very soon. And, God has given to His people a health message that if followed will give us a stronger immune system to resist disease. And, nothing touches those who abide in Christ that God does not allow.



 91:1   He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. 
 91:2   I will say of the LORD, [He is] my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. 
 91:3   Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, [and] from the noisome pestilence. 
 91:4   He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth [shall be thy] shield and buckler. 
 91:5   Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; [nor] for the arrow [that] flieth by day; 
 91:6   [Nor] for the pestilence [that] walketh in darkness; [nor] for the destruction [that] wasteth at noonday. 
 91:7   A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; [but] it shall not come nigh thee. 
 91:8   Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. 
 91:9   Because thou hast made the LORD, [which is] my refuge, [even] the most High, thy habitation; 
 91:10   There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. 
 91:11   For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. 
 91:12   They shall bear thee up in [their] hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. 
 91:13   Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet. 
 91:14   Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. 
 91:15   He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I [will be] with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him. 
 91:16   With long life will I satisfy him, and show him my salvation. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 01, 2020, 09:00:43 AM
Where people gather in large numbers increases the opportunity for widespread infection. Schools, churches, sports events, and our upcoming international General Conference Session. Hopefully things will be winding down by then (June-July). On the other hand, if the virus is still actively spreading, what will happen to our session? It may be that the government will be blocking entry to those from areas experiencing high rates of infection. God is in absolute control.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wally on March 02, 2020, 01:45:51 AM
However, it should be pointed out that those who have died so far from COVID-19, are those with underlying health conditions, and weakened immune systems.  Our health principles should make us less vulnerable to this sort of thing.  An golden opportunity to proclaim the health message, the "right arm of the Gospel."
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 02, 2020, 06:39:07 AM
Amen Wally. When we follow the natural laws which are just as binding as the commandments of God, we will reap the blessing of a stronger immune system. Most of humanity comes in contact with viruses and other things that can cause disease, but do not fall prey to them. Bovine Leukemia Virus is a world-wide epidemic in dairy cows. Much of humanity still is drinking cow milk, yet cancer does not kill everyone. Some die young, but often because of our immune system the virus is kept at bay until the immune system is weakened. As Wally pointed out, many who die from virus, whether the Coronavirus or the multitude of flues, are the elderly or very young who have weakened immunity.

It is being reported that around 90,000 have contracted Covid19 and 3,000 have died. I believe that include people who were not otherwise sick even though again, the very young and the elderly are most at risk, as with the flu. That is a rate of 3.3% which is much higher than we experience with the flu. On the other hand, much of that is from China where the living conditions are different. Most of us do not eat bats. This is not a racist thought, but the reality that God has forbidden the eating of bats for just the reason we see today, it is an unclean meat. And, so that some who quick to judge that it is racist, then let me say that Americans are dying at a higher rate than many Africans because of what they eat. Cows and sheep are now often unclean and are causing much disease. Some of their diseases cross the specie barrier and are passed on to those eating them and drinking their milk. No, I am not from Africa and racist against those eating cows and sheep.  :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 04, 2020, 10:50:27 AM
Amen Wally!  We are "wonderfully and fearfully made." Psalms 139:14.  If we will walk in the light of God's love and law we will find that ten thousand shall fall at our side, but these fearful plaques will not touch us (Psalms 91:7).

The CDC's reporting leaves something to be desired. Here is the important stat from March 3 report on Covid19.

Active Monitoring of Persons Exposed to Patients with Confirmed COVID-19 — United States, January–February 2020

Early Release / March 3, 2020


Since February 28, an increasing number of newly diagnosed confirmed and presumptive COVID-19 cases have been in patients with neither a relevant travel history nor clear epidemiologic links to other confirmed COVID-19 patients. However, despite intensive follow-up, no sustained person-to-person transmission of symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 was observed in the United States among the close contacts of the first 10 persons with diagnosed travel-related COVID-19. Analyses of timing of exposure during each patient’s illness as well as the type and duration of exposures will provide information on potential risk factors for transmission. Infection control and prevention efforts by patients with COVID-19, their household members, and their health care providers,*** in combination with contact tracing activities, are important to mitigate community spread of the disease.   

There was more, but this was the best I could find from the report. Best to go online to get better info.

This current outbreak of a Corona Virus is of interest to me since I survived the Hong Kong Flu Pandemic, the third largest such pandemic in the 20th century, of which the Spanish Flu was the largest in which it is reported 50,000,000 people died world-wide. Over a million died from the Hong Kong Flu. I was sickened with it and had a fever of 104 for 7 days. It was not just the elderly that caught it. I was young and healthy. I thought I would die for sure.

We have nothing to fear as we abide in Christ. All things will work for our good. This current disease is the result of eating animals and their milk or eggs. We had been warned not to prior to the outbreak of the Spanish Flu which began in 1918 and lasted until 1920. The second pandemic, the Asian Flu began in 1957 and lasted until 1958 and it killed over a million world-wide. So, again, as Wally has stated, we have been given great light in regards to health. We have a golden opportunity to educate those who are seeking truth that they may walk in it. There is no safety in eating the carcass of dead animals, nor drink their milk or eat eggs. The diseases of animals is often passed to humans through these channels. God loves us and has given us this knowledge and has provided something better.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 05, 2020, 12:35:14 PM
Finally I am hearing that some are pleading for information as to where infected ones have been moving around. The government will not tell us where they have been, even if they live next door.

Testing kits are not widely available to test those who have the symptoms of Coronavirus 19. Those who have been in meetings with people from many nations and have a 104 fever are not finding any interest to test them. When dealing with the government, we often are left talking to voice mail.

Since the medical community and government do not have the necessary test kits, they will test those who have symptoms and have come in contact with those infected or who have been in areas where many have been infected, Italy, China, and Iran.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on March 06, 2020, 04:30:40 PM
kinda says it all when for that cruise ship, they dropped medical supplies and test kits from helicopter

reminds me of that old Herman cartoon where the doctor is giving the prescription to the patient sitting across the desk from him...  patient is covered with huge red dots...  doctor gives the prescription to patient via a long stick with the prescription at the end and says, 'don't touch the stick'
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 09, 2020, 08:48:41 AM
We are seeing an increase of disasters world-wide. Expect a large earthquake before long. Iran is seeing a dramatic increase in the numbers of deaths from Cavid19. 

The death toll there almost doubled over the weekend, rising from 124 on Friday to 237 as of Monday morning, with 43 Iranians dying in the prior 24 hours.

There are around 7100 infected they know of. That is a death rate of those infected of 3.3% which is what we are seeing in China and other countries. South Korea is much less under 1%. It appears they got ahead of the spread by testing many more than other countries. In the countries that have the higher death rate, it may be that they have not yet discovered how many are really infected which if higher would bring the death rate down.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 10, 2020, 07:10:12 AM
Yes, that is correct, Wally. And, age plays a part. "The World Health Organization mission to China found that 78% of the cases reported as of Feb. 20 were in people ages 30 to 69." Where does that leave most of us? Those living the US are not relieved if they have an underlying disease. "About 60% of U.S. adults have at least one underlying health condition, Tom Frieden, former director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told reporters on Monday."  source (https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/03/who-is-getting-sick-and-how-sick-a-breakdown-of-coronavirus-risk-by-demographic-factors/)

The last pandemic in the 20th century was the Hong Kong Flu and it only killed about 1 1/2 million world-wide. I am sure it hit hardest those with a weakened immune system. But, ask me if I want to experience it again. I did not die, but I thought I was going to. None in my family was infected from my infection. There was no action taken to protect them from my disease. I don't remember any panic in 1968 from the pandemic. There was nothing like what we see today. The CDC states that about 100,000 Americans died in that pandemic in 1969-69. CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html) The peak in the US came when schools were out for Christmas vacation.

What about the coronaviruses in the 21st century, MERS and SARS? Why no panic then even though the death rate of confirmed cases was higher in both diseases? They were contained with comparatively fewer confirmed cases. The SARS epidemic of 2003 killed around 10% of around 8,000 confirmed cases. MERS killed 34% of around 2,500 cases 2012.

The morbidity rate is not as high with Covid19, but the pandemic has not been confined, rather is spreading around the world. Many more have died so far with the number increasing. China has said that the pandemic has been confined in China and the new infections are very low. Will the deaths reach 100,000 in the US as it did with the Hong Kong Flu? It depends upon how successful we are at containing it. Who is at risk of dying? Those at greatest risk are those who have an underlying disease, 60% of the population.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 14, 2020, 04:55:47 PM
Yesterday the President of the United States declared a national emergency regarding Covid19. Some who thought the virus to be no more danger than the common flu will reconsider the matter. We pray that the effort to contain the virus will bring an end to the danger in weeks rather than months and that the virus will not mutate to a more dangerous threat.

There are things we can do to help prevent infection. This video reveals much that is in harmony with church understanding and will aid those seeking light to prevent or treat infections. This does not take the place of medical care provided by physicians. If you believe you are infected with the Coronavirus, seek a diagnosis and treatment from your physician.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 14, 2020, 06:16:10 PM
Wes Youngberg here updates his last presentation on how to prepare for an infection with God's natural remedies.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on March 14, 2020, 07:18:54 PM
Many will die from this because they have not been careful to protect their immune systems.

1. Do not eat anything unclean.  In China this disease originated in humans due to eating bats.  Bats are known sources of corona viruses.  And if you can, it is best not to eat anything of animal origin to avoid other viruses in the meat.
2. Eat raw garlic daily.  Sleep when tired and at the first sign of tiredness, sleep, rest and stay there until you are well.
3. Diffuse essential oils like peppermint, tea tree oil, lemon grass, eucalyptus, etc. Almost any plant oil is anti bacterial, anti fungal, anti viral!  Praise God!
4. If someone in your family gets into trouble with breathing, apply fomentations to chest area and back 4x a day until symptoms subside.  It is hard to do this for yourself, you need someone to prepare the towels for you.
5. Take a shower as warm/hot as you can on your chest and back  for 4 minutes, then switch to ice cold for 30 seconds, then back to hot again... rotate and do this 4 times.
6. n-Acetyl-cysteine 2x a day to help with the symptoms...take for 10-14 days.
7. Sanitize with a high concentration of orange oil on surfaces as precautionary.  It will not stop the threat of airborne virus.
8. This virus likes to replicate in the sinuses.  A good sinus cleanser is good to use.  Add 4 drops of iodine to the cleanser and use often.  Or, make your own with sea salt and warm water.
9.  Get plenty of rest and stay away from crowds and anyone who displays symptoms.
10.  Pray and have trust in God.  All healing comes from the Great Physician. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on March 14, 2020, 07:20:47 PM
Many will die from this because they have not been careful to protect their immune systems.

1. Do not eat anything unclean.  In China this disease originated in humans due to eating bats.  Bats are known sources of corona viruses.  And if you can, it is best not to eat anything of animal origin to avoid other viruses in the meat.
2. Eat raw garlic daily.  Sleep when tired and at the first sign of tiredness, sleep, rest and stay there until you are well.
3. Diffuse essential oils like peppermint, tea tree oil, lemon grass, eucalyptus, etc. Almost any plant oil is anti bacterial, anti fungal, anti viral!  Praise God!
4. If someone in your family gets into trouble with breathing, apply fomentations to chest area and back 4x a day until symptoms subside.  It is hard to do this for yourself, you need someone to prepare the towels for you.
5. Take a shower as warm/hot as you can on your chest and back  for 4 minutes, then switch to ice cold for 30 seconds, then back to hot again... rotate and do this 4 times.
6. n-Acetyl-cysteine 2x a day to help with the symptoms...take for 10-14 days.
7. Sanitize with a high concentration of orange oil on surfaces as precautionary.  It will not stop the threat of airborne virus.
8. This virus likes to replicate in the sinuses.  A good sinus cleanser is good to use.  Add 4 drops of iodine to the cleanser and use often.  Or, make your own with sea salt and warm water.
9.  Get plenty of rest and stay away from crowds and anyone who displays symptoms.
10.  Pray and have trust in God.  All healing comes from the Great Physician.

the iodine used here is not the store bought kind... it is the digestible kind without preservatives and other additives
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wally on March 15, 2020, 02:42:42 AM
Doug Batchelor and Neil Nedley have produced a short video on this issue.  It's very informative, and devoid of all the hype and hysteria that is found in the mainstream media.  I would post it, but I don't know  how to do so.

Our Conference is strongly recommending that all churches cancel services for the near future.  We met as usual yesterday, with about 3/4 of our normal attendance.  We saw no reason to cancel church simply because 3 people in the State had tested positive.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 15, 2020, 09:19:22 AM
Our churches are closed now.   Yes, it would be good to get the info without the hype since some are panicking already. There are some who will not follow common sense and continue to infect others around them.

Here is the video with Neil Nedley MD commenting on the Corona Virus.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on March 19, 2020, 11:11:26 AM
yesterday is history   :-\

today is a mystery   ::)


Germs and Jesus are everywhere    8)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 19, 2020, 10:42:07 PM
It is impossible to not think about those who have no knowledge of the light God has given on health reform. I am not thinking of those in the world but those in the church. They were to have the opportunity to help those in the world who are sick or want to prevent disease.

For over 30 years I have been practicing natural remedies given to us. Sadly many in the church do not know of them, nor have used them. Like King Asa they trust in the doctor rather than God. That does not mean we never go to the doctor. We established schools to train doctors in the use of natural remedies. Clear light has been given that our educational institutions should be connected with our sanitariums wherever this is possible. The work of the two institutions is to blend. I am thankful that we have a school at Loma Linda. The educational talent of competent physicians is a necessity to the schools where medical missionary evangelists are to be trained for service. The students in the school are to be taught to be strict health reformers. The instruction given in regard to disease and its causes, and how to prevent disease, and the training given in the treatment of the sick, will prove an invaluable education, and one that the students in all our schools should have.  CD 450.

Today many in the world are afraid. Like soldiers in foxholes, they are thinking that the "bomb" may fall on them. It is then that they recognize the world does not revolve around them, and they have no power to prevent the bomb from hitting their "foxhole." What if there were something they could do to lower the odds of the bomb hitting their foxhole? Or better yet, what if there were someone who could keep the Coronavirus from attacking them or their family?

God has given to His people a knowledge of Him and His healing principles. Jesus spent more time healing than preaching. So it ought to be with us. We need to plow the ground before we plant seed.  We will be sharing information on how to do fomentations which are very effective at dealing with lung problems.



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 19, 2020, 11:33:48 PM
As we saw in the above video fomentations are done with heat and ice paks. You can buy these paks online or you can make the out of towels or I cut up a wool blanket to make mine. Wool is very nice since it will hold heat longer than cotton towels.

It is much easier to use a microwave to heat up the steampaks. This can  be done by soaking the paks, wringing the paks of much of their water and then folding then and placing then in plastic bags and then in the microwave for three minutes. We then place the wool paks in a wrapper of either wool or a towel.  My wool wrappers came from the same blanket and is slightly larger in width than the wool paks.

When I return home I will take pictures of my wool steam paks and share them here. Having four sets of paks and wrappers works well for steam and icepaks. One thing that we do that Sister Barbara did not explain is to make sure the patient does not get chilled and remains covered for at least a half hour after the hydrotherapy ends. If the patient is very sick or tired they will often fall asleep. If the treatment can  be done just before   bedtime, then the fomentation treatments will usually help the patient to sleep. Make sure patient is dry and completely covered.

Pray for the patient during the treatment. God is the Great Physician, we are merely a tool in His hand that are witnessing  the love and care our Father has for humanity.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Dorine on March 20, 2020, 05:35:42 AM
Thank you Richard. This is excellent information for those who have a desire to learn how to treat the sick. Which all of God's people should. Looking forward to your pictures.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 27, 2020, 05:44:00 AM
Here is an example of how open some people are. Many have questions as to why the world is being turned upside down.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 27, 2020, 06:55:06 AM
The U.S. passed China's 81,800 infected with more than 86,000 cases, and Italy also exceeded 80,000, the three countries together accounting for almost half of the world’s infections from the new virus. Most of China’s patients have recovered, while places where the virus arrived later are now dealing with overwhelmed hospitals and supply shortages and are rushing to convert public spaces for treating the sick. source (https://fox59.com/news/coronavirus/u-s-leads-world-in-confirmed-coronavirus-cases/)
 
The case death rate in Italy is just under 10%. Of the 80,589 reported cases, 8215 have died. Spain, France, and Iran have very high case death rates also. It must be understood when looking at these rates of death, that there is insufficient testing so many more have been infected that are not being reported, thus the real rate of deaths per infected will surely be much less when the known number of infected becomes more accurate.

South Korea has done more testing and reports a case death rate of a little more than 1%.




Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on March 28, 2020, 08:23:51 AM
Just a reminder......

The Lord has shown me repeatedly that it is contrary to the Bible to make any provision for our temporal wants in the time of trouble. I saw that if the saints had food laid up by them, or in the field in the time of trouble, when sword, famine, and pestilence are in the land, it would be taken from them by violent hands, and strangers would reap their fields. Then will be the time for us to trust wholly in God, and He will sustain us. I saw that our bread and water will be sure at that time, and that we shall not lack or suffer hunger; for God is able to spread a table for us in the wilderness. If necessary He would send ravens to feed us, as He did to feed Elijah, or rain manna from heaven, as He did for the Israelites.
Houses and lands will be of no use to the saints in the time of trouble, for they will then have to flee before infuriated mobs, and at that time their possessions can not be disposed of to advance the cause of present truth. I was shown that it is the will of God that the saints should cut loose from every Incumbrance before the time of trouble comes, and make a covenant with God through sacrifice.— Early Writings, pp. 56, 57.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wally on March 28, 2020, 04:28:42 PM
A very good reminder, and we should not be panic buying during this current situation.  But this is not yet the Time of Trouble, which comes after the close of probation, after the Sunday law and the death decree is passed, when the plagues begin to fall.

What I see is "men's hearts failing them for fear."  We will know when it is nearly upon us, as the issue of a Sunday law will be debated everywhere.  And that will be precipitated, not by a virus (and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places), but by numerous natural disasters, which the "popular pulpits" will declare are a result of not observing the "sabbath," i.e., Sunday.

I would recommend this sermon, delivered last Sabbath by my former pastor, given last Sabbath.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahkXWb-QdsA

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Theophilus on March 28, 2020, 04:37:37 PM
Amen Wally!  We are "wonderfully and fearfully made." Psalms 139:14.  If we will walk in the light of God's love and law we will find that ten thousand shall fall at our side, but these fearful plaques will not touch us (Psalms 91:7).

The CDC's reporting leaves something to be desired. Here is the important stat from March 3 report on Covid19.

Active Monitoring of Persons Exposed to Patients with Confirmed COVID-19 — United States, January–February 2020

Early Release / March 3, 2020


Since February 28, an increasing number of newly diagnosed confirmed and presumptive COVID-19 cases have been in patients with neither a relevant travel history nor clear epidemiologic links to other confirmed COVID-19 patients. However, despite intensive follow-up, no sustained person-to-person transmission of symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 was observed in the United States among the close contacts of the first 10 persons with diagnosed travel-related COVID-19. Analyses of timing of exposure during each patient’s illness as well as the type and duration of exposures will provide information on potential risk factors for transmission. Infection control and prevention efforts by patients with COVID-19, their household members, and their health care providers,*** in combination with contact tracing activities, are important to mitigate community spread of the disease.   

There was more, but this was the best I could find from the report. Best to go online to get better info.

This current outbreak of a Corona Virus is of interest to me since I survived the Hong Kong Flu Pandemic, the third largest such pandemic in the 20th century, of which the Spanish Flu was the largest in which it is reported 50,000,000 people died world-wide. Over a million died from the Hong Kong Flu. I was sickened with it and had a fever of 104 for 7 days. It was not just the elderly that caught it. I was young and healthy. I thought I would die for sure.

We have nothing to fear as we abide in Christ. All things will work for our good. This current disease is the result of eating animals and their milk or eggs. We had been warned not to prior to the outbreak of the Spanish Flu which began in 1918 and lasted until 1920. The second pandemic, the Asian Flu began in 1957 and lasted until 1958 and it killed over a million world-wide. So, again, as Wally has stated, we have been given great light in regards to health. We have a golden opportunity to educate those who are seeking truth that they may walk in it. There is no safety in eating the carcass of dead animals, nor drink their milk or eat eggs. The diseases of animals is often passed to humans through these channels. God loves us and has given us this knowledge and has provided something better.
    You can also get it by  touching an object that has the virus or by being in close proximity to an infected person. One does not have to eat an unclean food to get it. or an animal product. Some of the things I've seen posted are ridiculous.  ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 28, 2020, 05:34:37 PM
Yes, Theophilus you are right. You do not have to eat animal products to contract Covid19 nor do you have to touch anything. You can breath in the virus and be infected. The point I was making is that you can become infected by eating diseased animals and then begin a pandemic. And, there are more people dying from other diseases because they did eat animal products. And, when you eat dairy that may be infected by Bovine Leukemia Virus, your immune system is weakened and thus are more at risk for Coronavirus infection.

Cultures that do not have this understanding are in need to know that eating animals puts them at risk and may even begin a world-wide pandemic such as we see today. If we do our work, then it will encourage them to read the Bible and to learn of our God and their God.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wally on March 29, 2020, 02:46:50 AM
    You can also get it by  touching an object that has the virus or by being in close proximity to an infected person. One does not have to eat an unclean food to get it. or an animal product. Some of the things I've seen posted are ridiculous.  ::)

I don't think he was suggesting anything contrary to that.  His point was that the virus originated in unclean animals, and might not be among us if people weren't eating things that weren't meant for human consumption.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on April 01, 2020, 07:41:34 PM
Hopefully everyone is doing okay!!

We live in strange times.  Tornado sirens going off one night and flooding the next and the constant threat of the virus.

A true test of our faith.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on April 04, 2020, 06:18:51 AM
And fires destroying towns and millions of Acres. Earthquakes in diverse places! Yes we are living at the end of this Earth's history. It ought not surprise us if we find a pope who the whole world is wondering after and attempting to make a Sunday law  for the whole planet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Theophilus on April 04, 2020, 09:19:49 AM
I think that this should be a learning lesson for all of us. 

This came very quickly, and shut the world down quickly. It shows us that when the Sunday command will pass, everyone will know in a very short time. So there's that. Also, carbon emissions are down and wildlife are running around more.  This shows that a rest day or two is good for the Earth. If you listen to Stephen Bohr or Walter Veith, both believe that the Papal stance on climate change will effect minds who were not really interested in the religious talk. What I mean is that you can see some benefits of resting on a day, and the Earth resting too, so if the Pope would designate a National Day of Rest, it would be more easily grasped, because the effect was seen during this crisis.
This is the important thing. Take the time you/we are isolated, and use it for Bible study. We have been lax as a church to proclaim the message, and we need to ask God for His help, so that when the smoke clears, and we can go about again, we will be able to accomplish more.

I miss my church family. I miss SS lessons, potlucks, communion, etc. One of the wonderful things God has provided are sermons (one on about everything!) on you tube, 3 ABN,  etc. We will not be deficit in instructions least we don't have to be. All of the EGW books are free, and Stephen Bohr's copious notes on many things are free as well.  What we need to do if/when we can regroup into a church again is plan go immediately into the field. We can all do something. If we ask for the Lord's direction, He will give us ideas.

Also, I heard why the spread of corona virus is much more rapid that the flu, so here you go. This is what I heard:  For Corona, 1 person spread to 3, and those 3 to 3 more, and on and on so it's like 3 to the nth power.   Flu on the other hand, spread 1 person to every 1.2 people and those 1.2 to another 1.2, so maybe 1.2 to the nth. 3 nth will grow much more quickly, infect many more with the result of more deaths. As I understand it, the virus causes, in some, loss of elasticity of the lungs.   

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on April 05, 2020, 06:38:12 AM
Amen Theophilus! We need to spend more time with Jesus. By beholding Him we shall be changed into His character. We must die daily in order to reflect His love. Then we will have peace that passeth all understanding in the middle of the storm.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on April 24, 2020, 06:40:39 AM
There is a question some have asked as to whether or not we ought to go against the law of the land when we are told to not attend church. Share from the Bible what you believe God would have us do. The world is watching us to see what we will do. You can imagine what they will say if we are guilty of spreading the Coronavirus. The Bible has counsel concerning this subject. What would you suggest our brothers and sisters in China do in regards to attending church when the state has said not to? Your answer will have influence with others who consider what to do.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wally on April 24, 2020, 04:29:38 PM
In the US, everyone is forbidden to have church services, not just Adventists.  The government has not forbidden us to worship, or forced us to keep Sunday holy.  So, we are not being forced to choose between obeying God or man.  We have not been forbidden to keep Sabbath holy, and, as we all know, the Sabbath will be the point of controversy at the very end, when the mark of the beast is about to be enforced.

I don't particularly care for  "virtual church," or "online services," but it's better than nothing, and does not  require anyone to disobey the Lord.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on May 14, 2020, 10:43:44 PM
As we approach the end of this world's history, many are tempted to discouragement. But, as we contemplate God's love for us and His great sacrifice in letting His innocent Son come this dark spot in the universe to suffer and die for our sin, how can we be discouraged? Here is a beautiful reminder that we ought not be discouraged:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on May 18, 2020, 08:43:48 AM
The world is waiting for a cure, a vaccine, to prevent infection. What if there is already a treatment for the Coronavirus? Of course Jesus is the cure for all diseases. But, He uses natural remedies to alleviate sickeness. An ounce of prevention is worth a hundred pounds of cure in today's world. But, there are treatments that do not have serious side effects as do drugs. After we have done what we can to have a strong immune system, we can also utilize natural remedies such as fomentation to help cure many afflictions.

God is keeping this from leaders of nations and the "experts" in medicine. That means we still have opportunity to use the "right arm" of the gospel to reach souls seeking help.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Marelis on May 22, 2020, 04:56:35 AM
In the US, everyone is forbidden to have church services, not just Adventists.  The government has not forbidden us to worship, or forced us to keep Sunday holy.  So, we are not being forced to choose between obeying God or man.  We have not been forbidden to keep Sabbath holy, and, as we all know, the Sabbath will be the point of controversy at the very end, when the mark of the beast is about to be enforced.

I don't particularly care for  "virtual church," or "online services," but it's better than nothing, and does not  require anyone to disobey the Lord.
Good question, Br Myers. I agree with you, Wally. I've actually been really enjoying my Sabbaths at home, to be honest, though. I've been participating in online local SS and two church services online, listening to favorite SDA speakers and have spent my Sabbath afternoons in quality Bible study and catching up by phone with believers.

One can absolutely keep the Sabbath and receive blessings without attending church.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Marelis on May 22, 2020, 05:08:12 AM
My question: With isolation now beginning to be eased, and soon church gatherings of a maximum of 10 persons will be allowed, will you go back to one of those 10-person congregation services whilst maintaining social distancing?

Furthermore......if your church conducts a number of services over the Sabbath day there will be required cleaning of surfaces in the building between services.....would you consider it to be work? How would God look upon the work of wiping down pews and chairs, podiums, keyboards and door handles?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wally on May 22, 2020, 04:35:28 PM
The guidelines issued by our Conference are impractical, and probably nearly impossible to implement.  They go well beyond what is expected in the secular arena.  They expect us to disinfect the bathroom every time it is used.  We stop at a rest area long the freeway when we are traveling in the southern part of the State, and they certainly don't clean it after every visit.  They've said we should not sing, period.  They highly recommend wearing masks (rather unhealthful if you ask me).  Can you imagine trying to lead a lessons study discussion while everyone is wearing a mask?  Give me a break!  After reading through it, I came away thinking that it wouldn't be much of a worship service.  We would be existing in an atmosphere of fear rather than reverence, or so it seems to me.

And, they expect a good portion of our congregation to stay home, since many of us are over 65.  I roll my eyes.  I'll be 70 this year, and I'm not afraid to go to church because of my age.  I'm more concerned about Lyme disease than I am about the Wuhan flu, but that doesn't keep me out of my woods.  How else would I get my firewood?  I might as well hide under my bed, because life is about risks on this sin-cursed planet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on May 22, 2020, 08:47:43 PM
Amen Wally. Today on the way home, the car in front of me on the freeway, just about rolled. The car next to him traveling at 75 pulled into his lane and just about hit him. He would have if the driver in front of me had not jerked the car into an open lane. It was a miracle the car did not flip. Risks? Every time we get into a car, especially with all the drugs being used.

There appears to be multiple reasons for the lockdown, and politics sits at the top.  Another is that many are fearful of dying from the virus.  They do not have peace as we do. So, they will live a life ignoring science regarding health, use drugs even if eating properly, drive fast cars and worry about the virus?   

Has anyone noticed the governors look neat and clean? They seem to have found some way to get their hair cut even though the rest of us were ordered not to.  :(  The question was asked today, why are the Democrats so angry?  It is because they are fighting against God. Obama got them all they wanted, now they are losing it all. Yes, when you take something away, it does make people mad.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Marelis on May 26, 2020, 04:24:15 AM
It is good to discuss these matters. Yes, life is about risks, Wally and Richard. Lockdown has been the wake up call we needed and has afforded us the opportunity to be faced with scenarios we may not have needed to previously encountered or thought about. We were probably all stunned for some weeks. In any case, we've had a situation forced upon us in which we have had our liberties removed literally overnight, including no church attendance, severely restricted movement, no visitations. What surprised me was that I barely heard a murmur or complaint about the changes. We all obeyed and did as we were told. We didn't dare break any rules. Even if it was to avoid the hefty fines. All of which must make us do some serious soul-searching regarding:

- what is church going to look like hereafter?
- who and what is the church?
- loyalty to church organisation vs connecting more with like-minded individuals and small groups on the same wavelength
- when churches re-open...under what conditions are we willing to or called to meet inside a building designated a church? Are we willing sign in with all our personal details? Or with a ticket? Or if it involves cleaning on the Sabbath between services?
- the need to evangelise our churches, especially where there is apostasy
- being obedient to state regulations vs a higher calling to evangelise and give the final warning
- knowing when it is time for God's people to disseminate into the 'wilderness'

Let's discuss!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Glen McCluskey on May 30, 2020, 04:26:19 AM
Marelis raises some very important issues in the last posting.  I thought I would offer a personal response, sharing one person's perspective.

I am a self-employed software developer, with a long background in math and computers.  My chief outside interest is that of a long-time Bible and SOP student.  I study on my desktop PC, and capture spiritual information as I go.

Last summer I moved to a new residence, and since then, have had some trouble sleeping, and because of this, I often get up very early in the morning, and study for several hours.  I'm not sure whether I'm suffering from a conventional sleep malady, or whether instead it's a case of what Genesis 50:20 says -- "God meant it for good".

So what about the pandemic?  In the first place, I have a hard head, and am aware that the pandemic is real, but also that it's being used for political purposes, and the latter issue has taken on its own life.  I speak as someone who has a 96-year-old mother in assisted living nearby, and a couple of days ago I saw her for the first time in several months.

I'm also aware of collateral issues like a spike in the suicide rate, and similar kinds of things.

Beyond my involvement in the Bible and SOP, I follow current events closely, and am aware of recent developments like the unsealing of various documents that demonstrate that the whole Russian collusion issue was a huge hoax.

Given all this, what do I as a Bible and SOP student conclude?  One conclusion thus far is that we are living in a "time of revealing", where hidden issues and agendas and political biases are brought to light.  The Bible and SOP say a great deal about this, for example Matthew 10:26 about how things that are covered will be revealed.

I also follow a variety of SDA publications, and have been troubled by what seems to be a bland response to the issue, and articles with titles like "Four Ways to Deal With Crises in Your Life".  I find this type of response to be quite revealing.

My best informed guess on these revealings is that they are setting up for judgment, where the Lord first allows certain things to be demonstrated and revealed in our world, and then a process of judgment takes place.

I think it's possible for the final events, e.g. a Sunday law, to take place in the present culture, but it seems more likely to me that the current developments we're seeing are instead the driving forces toward a paradigm shift, resulting in a more conservative and populist culture, and this in turn sets the stage for the final events.

As far as my own spiritual response, I write monthly essays, and the current one is entitled "Transparent Living".  It's not about the pandemic, but rather about living in times of crisis in general.  As an example, we know that Christ's disciples mostly ended up as martyrs.  How were they able to face this?

The argument I make in the essay is that they, and likewise we, should live our lives by yielding fully to Christ (James 4:7-8), and then enter into a cooperative partnership with Him (Colossians 1:29), following Paul's advice to "put on Christ" (Galatians 3:27).

All of this makes for rich discussion topics, and much more could be said.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on May 31, 2020, 06:18:46 PM
We're opening up June 6th.... masks, social distancing, and a simple test of blood oxygen (oximeter)...  if anyone tests low, we will recommend they go home and sanitize anything they might have touched.  Keep the fans moving the air and lots of ventilation. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on May 31, 2020, 06:23:50 PM
the other problem that we have right now is that it is incredibly hard giving new bible studies and going door to door.....
any ideas?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on June 01, 2020, 08:48:44 AM
Our difficulties are God's opportunity to reach many. In other words, we have great opportunity to share the health message (the right arm of the gospel) and that death is only a short sleep for all who love God with the whole heart. Fomentations are very effective. And, who has great light on the immune system which all are touting as the best that we can do to prevent dying from a coronas infection.

We have a website that reveals the life of Christ for those who want to share Jesus with those seeking from around the world. All who are looking for a way to share Jesus without coming in close contact can email me and I will share the link to the site.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on June 01, 2020, 08:51:54 AM
Thanks for sharing some about your situation Glen. We have appreciated your posts. It is sad that the church as many see it in Europe, Australia, and North America has failed to be a witness of the character of our God.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on June 03, 2020, 09:11:26 PM
two really good links for the origins of these viruses

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/where-do-deadly-coronaviruses-like-mers-cov-come-from/?utm_source=NutritionFacts.org&utm_campaign=6ffc6a55e7-RSS_VIDEO_DAILY&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_40f9e497d1-6ffc6a55e7-26501433&mc_cid=6ffc6a55e7&mc_eid=0caa1a92c9

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-sars-coronavirus-and-wet-markets/?utm_source=NutritionFacts.org&utm_campaign=d4d188c26f-RSS_VIDEO_DAILY&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_40f9e497d1-d4d188c26f-26501433&mc_cid=d4d188c26f&mc_eid=0caa1a92c9