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News => Coronavirus Pandemic 2019 => Topic started by: rahab on February 25, 2020, 06:56:17 PM

Title: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on February 25, 2020, 06:56:17 PM
It is a RNA virus and those mutate often so there is no sense in making or getting any vaccine of any sort.

It originated with close contact with bats and humans.

Best defense is to keep your immune system strong!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 26, 2020, 06:15:03 AM
Thank you for that information, Rahab. and, welcome to our fellowship! 

Can you explain why it is that vaccines are developed for the flu each year? Is there a difference between the type of virus?  They are not usually RNAs?  I believe they have a vaccine for other Corona Viruses for animals.

Are SARS and MERS both RNA viruses?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 26, 2020, 07:08:57 AM
Realizing the interest in this possible "pandemic," we have begun this topic to gather more information, and to add a warning that the connection between animal diseases and human disease is real and worthy of study. Having ceased eating the carcasses of dead animals and their milk and eggs over 30 years ago, I have lived twice as long as my father who died young from a heart attack. Are we not blessed to have knowledge of the risks in eating animals products?

Here is an article I found helpful in learning more about the Corona Virus that began in China and is spreading to other countries. It is has been named 2019-nCoV and is being called Covid19.  The 19 indicates it was discovered in 2019. It belongs to the family of corona viruses which include SARS and MERS. They infect humans, other mammals, and birds. The thinking so far is that there is a connection with bats and Covid19. source (https://www.sciencealert.com/coronavirus)

While the infection rate world-wide is a concern, how would we compare the numbers to those infected and dying from cancer? Gives pause to wonder why so many neglect to be more concerned about the relationship between eating animal products from animals that have a cancer virus such as dairy cows.source (http://remnant-online.com/smf/index.php/topic,3216.0.html)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 26, 2020, 04:04:10 PM
How does the Covid19 virus spread? Like many other respiratory virus diseases, it can spread when infected people cough into the air. The virus then can infect by breathing in the virus while it is in the air. It can also infect the eyes from the air or by touching  the eyes with hands that have come in contact with the virus. If someone coughs into their hands and then you shake hands with them, the virus will be transferred to your hands. Washing the hands can remove the virus. If not removed, it can then move into the mouth, eyes, nose and infect the individual. Period of symptoms can be from 2 to 14 days after infected. Some can remain without symptoms and can carry the virus to others.

If the virus came from bats, how was it transmitted to those who first became infected?  When we read the  Bible, we may gain much information as to how disease can be transmitted to humans.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on February 26, 2020, 06:53:01 PM
Thank you for that information, Rahab. and, welcome to our fellowship! 

Can you explain why it is that vaccines are developed for the flu each year? Is there a difference between the type of virus?  They are not usually RNAs?  I believe they have a vaccine for other Corona Viruses for animals.

Are SARS and MERS both RNA viruses?
Thank you. 

They develop the vaccines based on the information already shown in hopes that the same strain will appear again.  Often times it does not.  Unfortunately, people will get sick anyway unless they have a strong immune system. 

Yes SARS and MERS were/are both RNA viruses and mutate often and therefore it is very hard to try and predict how they will mutate....

If you go back in history I believe that we had a  seminary in Minnesota back in the 1918s that had a great cure rate (100%) for those students that came down with the flu.   I believe they used lots of bed rest and did foamentations on the patients.  It would seem to me with that kind of a cure rate, we should all look into this and do these kinds of procedures on those that are sick today!! 

I wish I had more of the details.  Maybe someone here does.  I'd welcome anything that you can dig up. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on February 26, 2020, 06:58:33 PM
How does the Covid19 virus spread? Like many other respiratory virus diseases, it can spread when infected people cough into the air. The virus then can infect by breathing in the virus while it is in the air. It can also infect the eyes from the air or by touching  the eyes with hands that have come in contact with the virus. If someone coughs into their hands and then you shake hands with them, the virus will be transferred to your hands. Washing the hands can remove the virus. If not removed, it can then move into the mouth, eyes, nose and infect the individual. Period of symptoms can be from 2 to 14 days after infected. Some can remain without symptoms and can carry the virus to others.

If the virus came from bats, how was it transmitted to those who first became infected?  When we read the  Bible, we may gain much information as to how disease can be transmitted to humans.

Not sure.  Ebola apparently came from a cave infested with bats and people went into the cave.  It would seem that people must come in close contact with the animals and breathe the same air that is infested with germs. 

Diseases that cross species barriers seem more prevalent than ever. 

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Dorine on February 27, 2020, 05:51:28 AM
It's my understanding (I do not have the source) that bats are even eaten in China.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 27, 2020, 06:30:13 AM
Yes, Sister Dorine,  bats are eaten in China and other Asian countries.  All of the animal world put humans at risk since they transfer disease to humans. It never used to be this way. God revealed in Scripture that while eating animals reduced the lifespan from over 900 to 70 years, there were some animals that were unclean and were to be never eaten. One such creature that was forbidden because it was unclean and would put humans at risk was the bat. From Leviticus:

 11:13   And these [are they which] ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they [are] an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the osprey, 
 11:14   And the vulture, and the kite after his kind; 
 11:15   Every raven after his kind; 
 11:16   And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckoo, and the hawk after his kind, 
 11:17   And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl, 
 11:18   And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle, 
 11:19   And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat. 

By saying that the practice is found in the Asian countries, is not racist, but it is because many cultures from that area of the world have not the knowledge of Scripture. What the Bible says is unclean does not mean that since Leviticus was written things have not gotten worse. Now, so many animals, fowls, and fish are diseased, there is no safety in eating any animal product. We have evidence before us that many diseases that are fatal are being transferred to humans from the animal world. And, it is not just from eating them. Touch not the unclean thing, for disease is thus being transferred.

It is well known that there are markets in China that sell live wildlife including bats. There is such a market in Wuhan and this is where it is said the disease began.  "In recent weeks, Chinese government officials have said they've learned from "past mistakes" —  top officials have reportedly warned lower-level officials to not cover up the spread of the new coronavirus, which has been linked to an animal and seafood market in the city of Wuhan and is now said to be transmissible between humans." source (https://www.foxnews.com/health/us-health-officials-on-coronavirus-outbreak)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 27, 2020, 07:00:13 AM
Asia is no longer without light regarding health and disease. God is working in China and there are within this country many Seventh-day Adventist Christians who have access to the principles of health as revealed in the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy. We have many Chinese reading here at Remnant Online, especially before we had to use a firewall to prevent hackers from overrunning our site. Sadly, many are now excluded until we can find a solution.

We have in this Healthful Living Forum 20 years of information on health. For many it will be too much to understand, but if one will slowly read what has been written they will find a blessing. There is much we can do to have a strong immune system that is the key to preventing disease. Also, the Author of these truths we have learned still has the power to heal and raise the dead as Jesus did when He walked on this Earth 2,020 years ago. He is the Great Physician and in Him is life everlasting as well as health for those living on the Earth today. We pray for the people of China, that His light may shine upon their nation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on February 27, 2020, 11:10:09 AM
It's my understanding (I do not have the source) that bats are even eaten in China.
   :o :o :o          :'(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wally on February 27, 2020, 05:31:48 PM
It's my understanding (I do not have the source) that bats are even eaten in China.

Oh, they eat all kinds of weird stuff over there.  Of course, some folks eat some pretty weird stuff over here:  lobster, shrimp, clams, etc.  And then there's Kimchi.   Looks and smells just like compost that hasn't finished composting; yum, yum.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 28, 2020, 08:41:39 AM
It is hard to  believe, but some would even eat these:  Take a look (https://www.reddit.com/r/bodybuilding/comments/2t75nh/made_this_for_my_bodybuilding_friend_with_small/)

Even not diseased, would you really kill and eat one of them?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 28, 2020, 09:14:55 AM
Yesterday it was revealed Cavid19 (Coronavirus) has come to America. It is in the wild,  beyond those brought into the US already infected. A woman was diagnosed with it after being infected for some time who was not in contact with those who are known to be infected in the US. How did she contract the virus? No one knows at this point. The CDC, the hospital, nor the governor of California will disclose who she is, the town where she lives, nor where she has been that others may have contracted the virus from her. She is in the hospital in Sacramento California, and had been seen at the hospital in Vacaville California which is very close to Travis Air Force Base which is in Fairfield California.

Since she was so very close to those who have the disease in Fairfield, it appears the government is not able to keep the virus out of the public?  And, if they will not disclose where she has been, then others who she does not know, but may have been infected, will not know they are infected until symptoms appear. Meanwhile they will be exposing others to the virus. This is how a pandemic occurs. And, it was going to happen anyway because our southern border is open, and open to those who seek to hurt us. When Ebola was running rampant in Africa, the governments there had the wisdom to close their borders, but no so in California where they have an open border and encourage illegal entry into the United States.

Are we not thankful we have a God who loves us and cares for us?

Read more (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-02-28/intense-search-in-california-for-others-exposed-to-coronavirus-patient)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 28, 2020, 09:45:57 AM
Solano County health officer said less than a hundred who were in contact with the infected woman are in quarantine. But, here is the truth not being explained. 85 of those 100 were health workers. So, how many who are not health workers who were in close contact, 15? How  many days was she able to infect others? She only was in contact with 15 people? And the people the 85 were in contact with?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wally on February 28, 2020, 03:50:51 PM
Something very strange is going on.  We've had SARS, MERS, Swine Flu, H1N1, etc., etc., but never have we had the hype and hysteria over something like this, which has a death rate of only about 2%.  People are beginning to behave irrationally, and the news media is contributing to the hysteria.  If one substituted the word "influenza" for "COVID-19," what would the reaction be?    From the CDC we have this:  "CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010."  And that's just in the US.  Of course, many of those who have the flu never go to the hospital.  I went to the hospital once for the flu,  only because the symptoms were worse than usual.  They told me I had the flu and to go home and drink lots of water.   ::)  How many people have died in the US  from this new virus?  ZERO.  Those who have died in other countries are the same kinds of people who generally die from the flu:  the elderly and people with weakened immune systems.  So far there have been around 85,000 cases of COVID-19, and fewer than 3000 people have died.  That's over a period of 2 months.  That can be extrapolated to just over 1 million cases in a year (although it should decrease in the summer), and maybe 36,000 deaths.  Why the panic?

A little common sense would go a long way.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on February 29, 2020, 07:21:27 PM
seems that this virus is going to be more serious than the 1918 flu because of the incubation period
when outbreaks happen that cannot be accounted for, tells us that this can really skyrocket 

Why would countries like Japan start closing the schools and thinking about closing the churches?

I think that the numbers are being concealed.
 
We must not think this is just a China problem, or a Japan problem, or a South Korea problem, Thailand, etc. 

stay healthy, eat healthy, rest when tired,  fomentations work !!

symptoms:   fever, dry coughing, shortness of breath

the tests for this are not that good... not everyone is getting tested.... do we really know how many people are infected?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on February 29, 2020, 08:27:16 PM
The only positive thing I can think of is that if spring comes early for us and people get outside in the fresh air and sunshine, it might help bring this thing to an end.

Just reported the first death and the man was in his 50s.  I've heard of some SDA churches in Florida are cancelling outreach programs.  A new outbreak unrelated to the rest, just occurred in Illinois and they are not saying where the person is. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 01, 2020, 07:27:38 AM
If I remember right, only a tenth of a percent die from the flu in the US. While Covid19 is not as bad as SARS, it still has a death rate so far around 2% and its ability to infect before there are symptoms makes it dangerous. 2 out of hundred means that if your church attendance is around 400 then at a rate of 2% how many will die if all are infected? Eight. And if they all are infected with the flu, how many will die? Most likely none. So as I see it, we ought to be concerned if the spread is not contained. While Trump may be more efficient at dealing with the bureaucracy than some other administrations, it does not give me confidence to have our safety in the hands of those who leave cows on the milking line that are infected with Bovine Leukemia Virus, or are allowing sewer sludge to be spread on our farm lands.

If the government will not allow us to know where the infections are popping up, then we are at greater risk than if we knew where the virus was actively working. If we knew where the infected individuals traveled, it would encourage me that the spread was being truly blocked to a degree. Those on the ship were quarantined. Those in a store at the same time where an infected individual went ought to be warned, if not quarantined. If not, then this appears to have the ability to rapidly grow in the numbers being infected.

And, yes, Wally is right about there being a political aspect where those who hate the policies of the conservative administration are hoping that this will turn into a crisis that can be blamed on Trump. How very sad. Our food and water will be made sure, and so will our safety if we do not fear death, for it is only a brief sleep for all love God supremely and are keeping His commandments.

If God allows more time for us, we can expect this outbreak is only a shadow of what is coming very soon. And, God has given to His people a health message that if followed will give us a stronger immune system to resist disease. And, nothing touches those who abide in Christ that God does not allow.



 91:1   He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. 
 91:2   I will say of the LORD, [He is] my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. 
 91:3   Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, [and] from the noisome pestilence. 
 91:4   He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth [shall be thy] shield and buckler. 
 91:5   Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; [nor] for the arrow [that] flieth by day; 
 91:6   [Nor] for the pestilence [that] walketh in darkness; [nor] for the destruction [that] wasteth at noonday. 
 91:7   A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; [but] it shall not come nigh thee. 
 91:8   Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. 
 91:9   Because thou hast made the LORD, [which is] my refuge, [even] the most High, thy habitation; 
 91:10   There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. 
 91:11   For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. 
 91:12   They shall bear thee up in [their] hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. 
 91:13   Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet. 
 91:14   Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. 
 91:15   He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I [will be] with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him. 
 91:16   With long life will I satisfy him, and show him my salvation. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 01, 2020, 09:00:43 AM
Where people gather in large numbers increases the opportunity for widespread infection. Schools, churches, sports events, and our upcoming international General Conference Session. Hopefully things will be winding down by then (June-July). On the other hand, if the virus is still actively spreading, what will happen to our session? It may be that the government will be blocking entry to those from areas experiencing high rates of infection. God is in absolute control.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wally on March 02, 2020, 01:45:51 AM
However, it should be pointed out that those who have died so far from COVID-19, are those with underlying health conditions, and weakened immune systems.  Our health principles should make us less vulnerable to this sort of thing.  An golden opportunity to proclaim the health message, the "right arm of the Gospel."
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 02, 2020, 06:39:07 AM
Amen Wally. When we follow the natural laws which are just as binding as the commandments of God, we will reap the blessing of a stronger immune system. Most of humanity comes in contact with viruses and other things that can cause disease, but do not fall prey to them. Bovine Leukemia Virus is a world-wide epidemic in dairy cows. Much of humanity still is drinking cow milk, yet cancer does not kill everyone. Some die young, but often because of our immune system the virus is kept at bay until the immune system is weakened. As Wally pointed out, many who die from virus, whether the Coronavirus or the multitude of flues, are the elderly or very young who have weakened immunity.

It is being reported that around 90,000 have contracted Covid19 and 3,000 have died. I believe that include people who were not otherwise sick even though again, the very young and the elderly are most at risk, as with the flu. That is a rate of 3.3% which is much higher than we experience with the flu. On the other hand, much of that is from China where the living conditions are different. Most of us do not eat bats. This is not a racist thought, but the reality that God has forbidden the eating of bats for just the reason we see today, it is an unclean meat. And, so that some who quick to judge that it is racist, then let me say that Americans are dying at a higher rate than many Africans because of what they eat. Cows and sheep are now often unclean and are causing much disease. Some of their diseases cross the specie barrier and are passed on to those eating them and drinking their milk. No, I am not from Africa and racist against those eating cows and sheep.  :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 04, 2020, 10:50:27 AM
Amen Wally!  We are "wonderfully and fearfully made." Psalms 139:14.  If we will walk in the light of God's love and law we will find that ten thousand shall fall at our side, but these fearful plaques will not touch us (Psalms 91:7).

The CDC's reporting leaves something to be desired. Here is the important stat from March 3 report on Covid19.

Active Monitoring of Persons Exposed to Patients with Confirmed COVID-19 — United States, January–February 2020

Early Release / March 3, 2020


Since February 28, an increasing number of newly diagnosed confirmed and presumptive COVID-19 cases have been in patients with neither a relevant travel history nor clear epidemiologic links to other confirmed COVID-19 patients. However, despite intensive follow-up, no sustained person-to-person transmission of symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 was observed in the United States among the close contacts of the first 10 persons with diagnosed travel-related COVID-19. Analyses of timing of exposure during each patient’s illness as well as the type and duration of exposures will provide information on potential risk factors for transmission. Infection control and prevention efforts by patients with COVID-19, their household members, and their health care providers,*** in combination with contact tracing activities, are important to mitigate community spread of the disease.   

There was more, but this was the best I could find from the report. Best to go online to get better info.

This current outbreak of a Corona Virus is of interest to me since I survived the Hong Kong Flu Pandemic, the third largest such pandemic in the 20th century, of which the Spanish Flu was the largest in which it is reported 50,000,000 people died world-wide. Over a million died from the Hong Kong Flu. I was sickened with it and had a fever of 104 for 7 days. It was not just the elderly that caught it. I was young and healthy. I thought I would die for sure.

We have nothing to fear as we abide in Christ. All things will work for our good. This current disease is the result of eating animals and their milk or eggs. We had been warned not to prior to the outbreak of the Spanish Flu which began in 1918 and lasted until 1920. The second pandemic, the Asian Flu began in 1957 and lasted until 1958 and it killed over a million world-wide. So, again, as Wally has stated, we have been given great light in regards to health. We have a golden opportunity to educate those who are seeking truth that they may walk in it. There is no safety in eating the carcass of dead animals, nor drink their milk or eat eggs. The diseases of animals is often passed to humans through these channels. God loves us and has given us this knowledge and has provided something better.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 05, 2020, 12:35:14 PM
Finally I am hearing that some are pleading for information as to where infected ones have been moving around. The government will not tell us where they have been, even if they live next door.

Testing kits are not widely available to test those who have the symptoms of Coronavirus 19. Those who have been in meetings with people from many nations and have a 104 fever are not finding any interest to test them. When dealing with the government, we often are left talking to voice mail.

Since the medical community and government do not have the necessary test kits, they will test those who have symptoms and have come in contact with those infected or who have been in areas where many have been infected, Italy, China, and Iran.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on March 06, 2020, 04:30:40 PM
kinda says it all when for that cruise ship, they dropped medical supplies and test kits from helicopter

reminds me of that old Herman cartoon where the doctor is giving the prescription to the patient sitting across the desk from him...  patient is covered with huge red dots...  doctor gives the prescription to patient via a long stick with the prescription at the end and says, 'don't touch the stick'
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 09, 2020, 08:48:41 AM
We are seeing an increase of disasters world-wide. Expect a large earthquake before long. Iran is seeing a dramatic increase in the numbers of deaths from Cavid19. 

The death toll there almost doubled over the weekend, rising from 124 on Friday to 237 as of Monday morning, with 43 Iranians dying in the prior 24 hours.

There are around 7100 infected they know of. That is a death rate of those infected of 3.3% which is what we are seeing in China and other countries. South Korea is much less under 1%. It appears they got ahead of the spread by testing many more than other countries. In the countries that have the higher death rate, it may be that they have not yet discovered how many are really infected which if higher would bring the death rate down.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 10, 2020, 07:10:12 AM
Yes, that is correct, Wally. And, age plays a part. "The World Health Organization mission to China found that 78% of the cases reported as of Feb. 20 were in people ages 30 to 69." Where does that leave most of us? Those living the US are not relieved if they have an underlying disease. "About 60% of U.S. adults have at least one underlying health condition, Tom Frieden, former director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told reporters on Monday."  source (https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/03/who-is-getting-sick-and-how-sick-a-breakdown-of-coronavirus-risk-by-demographic-factors/)

The last pandemic in the 20th century was the Hong Kong Flu and it only killed about 1 1/2 million world-wide. I am sure it hit hardest those with a weakened immune system. But, ask me if I want to experience it again. I did not die, but I thought I was going to. None in my family was infected from my infection. There was no action taken to protect them from my disease. I don't remember any panic in 1968 from the pandemic. There was nothing like what we see today. The CDC states that about 100,000 Americans died in that pandemic in 1969-69. CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html) The peak in the US came when schools were out for Christmas vacation.

What about the coronaviruses in the 21st century, MERS and SARS? Why no panic then even though the death rate of confirmed cases was higher in both diseases? They were contained with comparatively fewer confirmed cases. The SARS epidemic of 2003 killed around 10% of around 8,000 confirmed cases. MERS killed 34% of around 2,500 cases 2012.

The morbidity rate is not as high with Covid19, but the pandemic has not been confined, rather is spreading around the world. Many more have died so far with the number increasing. China has said that the pandemic has been confined in China and the new infections are very low. Will the deaths reach 100,000 in the US as it did with the Hong Kong Flu? It depends upon how successful we are at containing it. Who is at risk of dying? Those at greatest risk are those who have an underlying disease, 60% of the population.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 14, 2020, 04:55:47 PM
Yesterday the President of the United States declared a national emergency regarding Covid19. Some who thought the virus to be no more danger than the common flu will reconsider the matter. We pray that the effort to contain the virus will bring an end to the danger in weeks rather than months and that the virus will not mutate to a more dangerous threat.

There are things we can do to help prevent infection. This video reveals much that is in harmony with church understanding and will aid those seeking light to prevent or treat infections. This does not take the place of medical care provided by physicians. If you believe you are infected with the Coronavirus, seek a diagnosis and treatment from your physician.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 14, 2020, 06:16:10 PM
Wes Youngberg here updates his last presentation on how to prepare for an infection with God's natural remedies.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on March 14, 2020, 07:18:54 PM
Many will die from this because they have not been careful to protect their immune systems.

1. Do not eat anything unclean.  In China this disease originated in humans due to eating bats.  Bats are known sources of corona viruses.  And if you can, it is best not to eat anything of animal origin to avoid other viruses in the meat.
2. Eat raw garlic daily.  Sleep when tired and at the first sign of tiredness, sleep, rest and stay there until you are well.
3. Diffuse essential oils like peppermint, tea tree oil, lemon grass, eucalyptus, etc. Almost any plant oil is anti bacterial, anti fungal, anti viral!  Praise God!
4. If someone in your family gets into trouble with breathing, apply fomentations to chest area and back 4x a day until symptoms subside.  It is hard to do this for yourself, you need someone to prepare the towels for you.
5. Take a shower as warm/hot as you can on your chest and back  for 4 minutes, then switch to ice cold for 30 seconds, then back to hot again... rotate and do this 4 times.
6. n-Acetyl-cysteine 2x a day to help with the symptoms...take for 10-14 days.
7. Sanitize with a high concentration of orange oil on surfaces as precautionary.  It will not stop the threat of airborne virus.
8. This virus likes to replicate in the sinuses.  A good sinus cleanser is good to use.  Add 4 drops of iodine to the cleanser and use often.  Or, make your own with sea salt and warm water.
9.  Get plenty of rest and stay away from crowds and anyone who displays symptoms.
10.  Pray and have trust in God.  All healing comes from the Great Physician. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on March 14, 2020, 07:20:47 PM
Many will die from this because they have not been careful to protect their immune systems.

1. Do not eat anything unclean.  In China this disease originated in humans due to eating bats.  Bats are known sources of corona viruses.  And if you can, it is best not to eat anything of animal origin to avoid other viruses in the meat.
2. Eat raw garlic daily.  Sleep when tired and at the first sign of tiredness, sleep, rest and stay there until you are well.
3. Diffuse essential oils like peppermint, tea tree oil, lemon grass, eucalyptus, etc. Almost any plant oil is anti bacterial, anti fungal, anti viral!  Praise God!
4. If someone in your family gets into trouble with breathing, apply fomentations to chest area and back 4x a day until symptoms subside.  It is hard to do this for yourself, you need someone to prepare the towels for you.
5. Take a shower as warm/hot as you can on your chest and back  for 4 minutes, then switch to ice cold for 30 seconds, then back to hot again... rotate and do this 4 times.
6. n-Acetyl-cysteine 2x a day to help with the symptoms...take for 10-14 days.
7. Sanitize with a high concentration of orange oil on surfaces as precautionary.  It will not stop the threat of airborne virus.
8. This virus likes to replicate in the sinuses.  A good sinus cleanser is good to use.  Add 4 drops of iodine to the cleanser and use often.  Or, make your own with sea salt and warm water.
9.  Get plenty of rest and stay away from crowds and anyone who displays symptoms.
10.  Pray and have trust in God.  All healing comes from the Great Physician.

the iodine used here is not the store bought kind... it is the digestible kind without preservatives and other additives
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wally on March 15, 2020, 02:42:42 AM
Doug Batchelor and Neil Nedley have produced a short video on this issue.  It's very informative, and devoid of all the hype and hysteria that is found in the mainstream media.  I would post it, but I don't know  how to do so.

Our Conference is strongly recommending that all churches cancel services for the near future.  We met as usual yesterday, with about 3/4 of our normal attendance.  We saw no reason to cancel church simply because 3 people in the State had tested positive.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 15, 2020, 09:19:22 AM
Our churches are closed now.   Yes, it would be good to get the info without the hype since some are panicking already. There are some who will not follow common sense and continue to infect others around them.

Here is the video with Neil Nedley MD commenting on the Corona Virus.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on March 19, 2020, 11:11:26 AM
yesterday is history   :-\

today is a mystery   ::)


Germs and Jesus are everywhere    8)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 19, 2020, 10:42:07 PM
It is impossible to not think about those who have no knowledge of the light God has given on health reform. I am not thinking of those in the world but those in the church. They were to have the opportunity to help those in the world who are sick or want to prevent disease.

For over 30 years I have been practicing natural remedies given to us. Sadly many in the church do not know of them, nor have used them. Like King Asa they trust in the doctor rather than God. That does not mean we never go to the doctor. We established schools to train doctors in the use of natural remedies. Clear light has been given that our educational institutions should be connected with our sanitariums wherever this is possible. The work of the two institutions is to blend. I am thankful that we have a school at Loma Linda. The educational talent of competent physicians is a necessity to the schools where medical missionary evangelists are to be trained for service. The students in the school are to be taught to be strict health reformers. The instruction given in regard to disease and its causes, and how to prevent disease, and the training given in the treatment of the sick, will prove an invaluable education, and one that the students in all our schools should have.  CD 450.

Today many in the world are afraid. Like soldiers in foxholes, they are thinking that the "bomb" may fall on them. It is then that they recognize the world does not revolve around them, and they have no power to prevent the bomb from hitting their "foxhole." What if there were something they could do to lower the odds of the bomb hitting their foxhole? Or better yet, what if there were someone who could keep the Coronavirus from attacking them or their family?

God has given to His people a knowledge of Him and His healing principles. Jesus spent more time healing than preaching. So it ought to be with us. We need to plow the ground before we plant seed.  We will be sharing information on how to do fomentations which are very effective at dealing with lung problems.



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 19, 2020, 11:33:48 PM
As we saw in the above video fomentations are done with heat and ice paks. You can buy these paks online or you can make the out of towels or I cut up a wool blanket to make mine. Wool is very nice since it will hold heat longer than cotton towels.

It is much easier to use a microwave to heat up the steampaks. This can  be done by soaking the paks, wringing the paks of much of their water and then folding them and placing them in plastic bags and then in the microwave for three minutes. We then place the wool paks in a wrapper of either wool or a towel.  My wool wrappers came from the same blanket and is slightly larger in width than the wool paks.

When I return home I will take pictures of my wool steam paks and share them here. Having four sets of paks and wrappers works well for steam and icepaks. One thing that we do that Sister Barbara did not explain is to make sure the patient does not get chilled and remains covered for at least a half hour after the hydrotherapy ends. If the patient is very sick or tired they will often fall asleep. If the treatment can  be done just before   bedtime, then the fomentation treatments will usually help the patient to sleep. Make sure patient is dry and completely covered.

Pray for the patient during the treatment. God is the Great Physician, we are merely a tool in His hand that are witnessing  the love and care our Father has for humanity.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Dorine on March 20, 2020, 05:35:42 AM
Thank you Richard. This is excellent information for those who have a desire to learn how to treat the sick. Which all of God's people should. Looking forward to your pictures.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 27, 2020, 05:44:00 AM
Here is an example of how open some people are. Many have questions as to why the world is being turned upside down.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 27, 2020, 06:55:06 AM
The U.S. passed China's 81,800 infected with more than 86,000 cases, and Italy also exceeded 80,000, the three countries together accounting for almost half of the world’s infections from the new virus. Most of China’s patients have recovered, while places where the virus arrived later are now dealing with overwhelmed hospitals and supply shortages and are rushing to convert public spaces for treating the sick. source (https://fox59.com/news/coronavirus/u-s-leads-world-in-confirmed-coronavirus-cases/)
 
The case death rate in Italy is just under 10%. Of the 80,589 reported cases, 8215 have died. Spain, France, and Iran have very high case death rates also. It must be understood when looking at these rates of death, that there is insufficient testing so many more have been infected that are not being reported, thus the real rate of deaths per infected will surely be much less when the known number of infected becomes more accurate.

South Korea has done more testing and reports a case death rate of a little more than 1%.




Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on March 28, 2020, 08:23:51 AM
Just a reminder......

The Lord has shown me repeatedly that it is contrary to the Bible to make any provision for our temporal wants in the time of trouble. I saw that if the saints had food laid up by them, or in the field in the time of trouble, when sword, famine, and pestilence are in the land, it would be taken from them by violent hands, and strangers would reap their fields. Then will be the time for us to trust wholly in God, and He will sustain us. I saw that our bread and water will be sure at that time, and that we shall not lack or suffer hunger; for God is able to spread a table for us in the wilderness. If necessary He would send ravens to feed us, as He did to feed Elijah, or rain manna from heaven, as He did for the Israelites.
Houses and lands will be of no use to the saints in the time of trouble, for they will then have to flee before infuriated mobs, and at that time their possessions can not be disposed of to advance the cause of present truth. I was shown that it is the will of God that the saints should cut loose from every Incumbrance before the time of trouble comes, and make a covenant with God through sacrifice.— Early Writings, pp. 56, 57.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wally on March 28, 2020, 04:28:42 PM
A very good reminder, and we should not be panic buying during this current situation.  But this is not yet the Time of Trouble, which comes after the close of probation, after the Sunday law and the death decree is passed, when the plagues begin to fall.

What I see is "men's hearts failing them for fear."  We will know when it is nearly upon us, as the issue of a Sunday law will be debated everywhere.  And that will be precipitated, not by a virus (and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places), but by numerous natural disasters, which the "popular pulpits" will declare are a result of not observing the "sabbath," i.e., Sunday.

I would recommend this sermon, delivered last Sabbath by my former pastor, given last Sabbath.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahkXWb-QdsA

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Theophilus on March 28, 2020, 04:37:37 PM
Amen Wally!  We are "wonderfully and fearfully made." Psalms 139:14.  If we will walk in the light of God's love and law we will find that ten thousand shall fall at our side, but these fearful plaques will not touch us (Psalms 91:7).

The CDC's reporting leaves something to be desired. Here is the important stat from March 3 report on Covid19.

Active Monitoring of Persons Exposed to Patients with Confirmed COVID-19 — United States, January–February 2020

Early Release / March 3, 2020


Since February 28, an increasing number of newly diagnosed confirmed and presumptive COVID-19 cases have been in patients with neither a relevant travel history nor clear epidemiologic links to other confirmed COVID-19 patients. However, despite intensive follow-up, no sustained person-to-person transmission of symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 was observed in the United States among the close contacts of the first 10 persons with diagnosed travel-related COVID-19. Analyses of timing of exposure during each patient’s illness as well as the type and duration of exposures will provide information on potential risk factors for transmission. Infection control and prevention efforts by patients with COVID-19, their household members, and their health care providers,*** in combination with contact tracing activities, are important to mitigate community spread of the disease.   

There was more, but this was the best I could find from the report. Best to go online to get better info.

This current outbreak of a Corona Virus is of interest to me since I survived the Hong Kong Flu Pandemic, the third largest such pandemic in the 20th century, of which the Spanish Flu was the largest in which it is reported 50,000,000 people died world-wide. Over a million died from the Hong Kong Flu. I was sickened with it and had a fever of 104 for 7 days. It was not just the elderly that caught it. I was young and healthy. I thought I would die for sure.

We have nothing to fear as we abide in Christ. All things will work for our good. This current disease is the result of eating animals and their milk or eggs. We had been warned not to prior to the outbreak of the Spanish Flu which began in 1918 and lasted until 1920. The second pandemic, the Asian Flu began in 1957 and lasted until 1958 and it killed over a million world-wide. So, again, as Wally has stated, we have been given great light in regards to health. We have a golden opportunity to educate those who are seeking truth that they may walk in it. There is no safety in eating the carcass of dead animals, nor drink their milk or eat eggs. The diseases of animals is often passed to humans through these channels. God loves us and has given us this knowledge and has provided something better.
    You can also get it by  touching an object that has the virus or by being in close proximity to an infected person. One does not have to eat an unclean food to get it. or an animal product. Some of the things I've seen posted are ridiculous.  ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 28, 2020, 05:34:37 PM
Yes, Theophilus you are right. You do not have to eat animal products to contract Covid19 nor do you have to touch anything. You can breath in the virus and be infected. The point I was making is that you can become infected by eating diseased animals and then begin a pandemic. And, there are more people dying from other diseases because they did eat animal products. And, when you eat dairy that may be infected by Bovine Leukemia Virus, your immune system is weakened and thus are more at risk for Coronavirus infection.

Cultures that do not have this understanding are in need to know that eating animals puts them at risk and may even begin a world-wide pandemic such as we see today. If we do our work, then it will encourage them to read the Bible and to learn of our God and their God.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wally on March 29, 2020, 02:46:50 AM
    You can also get it by  touching an object that has the virus or by being in close proximity to an infected person. One does not have to eat an unclean food to get it. or an animal product. Some of the things I've seen posted are ridiculous.  ::)

I don't think he was suggesting anything contrary to that.  His point was that the virus originated in unclean animals, and might not be among us if people weren't eating things that weren't meant for human consumption.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on April 01, 2020, 07:41:34 PM
Hopefully everyone is doing okay!!

We live in strange times.  Tornado sirens going off one night and flooding the next and the constant threat of the virus.

A true test of our faith.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on April 04, 2020, 06:18:51 AM
And fires destroying towns and millions of Acres. Earthquakes in diverse places! Yes we are living at the end of this Earth's history. It ought not surprise us if we find a pope who the whole world is wondering after and attempting to make a Sunday law  for the whole planet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Theophilus on April 04, 2020, 09:19:49 AM
I think that this should be a learning lesson for all of us. 

This came very quickly, and shut the world down quickly. It shows us that when the Sunday command will pass, everyone will know in a very short time. So there's that. Also, carbon emissions are down and wildlife are running around more.  This shows that a rest day or two is good for the Earth. If you listen to Stephen Bohr or Walter Veith, both believe that the Papal stance on climate change will effect minds who were not really interested in the religious talk. What I mean is that you can see some benefits of resting on a day, and the Earth resting too, so if the Pope would designate a National Day of Rest, it would be more easily grasped, because the effect was seen during this crisis.
This is the important thing. Take the time you/we are isolated, and use it for Bible study. We have been lax as a church to proclaim the message, and we need to ask God for His help, so that when the smoke clears, and we can go about again, we will be able to accomplish more.

I miss my church family. I miss SS lessons, potlucks, communion, etc. One of the wonderful things God has provided are sermons (one on about everything!) on you tube, 3 ABN,  etc. We will not be deficit in instructions least we don't have to be. All of the EGW books are free, and Stephen Bohr's copious notes on many things are free as well.  What we need to do if/when we can regroup into a church again is plan go immediately into the field. We can all do something. If we ask for the Lord's direction, He will give us ideas.

Also, I heard why the spread of corona virus is much more rapid that the flu, so here you go. This is what I heard:  For Corona, 1 person spread to 3, and those 3 to 3 more, and on and on so it's like 3 to the nth power.   Flu on the other hand, spread 1 person to every 1.2 people and those 1.2 to another 1.2, so maybe 1.2 to the nth. 3 nth will grow much more quickly, infect many more with the result of more deaths. As I understand it, the virus causes, in some, loss of elasticity of the lungs.   

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on April 05, 2020, 06:38:12 AM
Amen Theophilus! We need to spend more time with Jesus. By beholding Him we shall be changed into His character. We must die daily in order to reflect His love. Then we will have peace that passeth all understanding in the middle of the storm.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on April 24, 2020, 06:40:39 AM
There is a question some have asked as to whether or not we ought to go against the law of the land when we are told to not attend church. Share from the Bible what you believe God would have us do. The world is watching us to see what we will do. You can imagine what they will say if we are guilty of spreading the Coronavirus. The Bible has counsel concerning this subject. What would you suggest our brothers and sisters in China do in regards to attending church when the state has said not to? Your answer will have influence with others who consider what to do.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wally on April 24, 2020, 04:29:38 PM
In the US, everyone is forbidden to have church services, not just Adventists.  The government has not forbidden us to worship, or forced us to keep Sunday holy.  So, we are not being forced to choose between obeying God or man.  We have not been forbidden to keep Sabbath holy, and, as we all know, the Sabbath will be the point of controversy at the very end, when the mark of the beast is about to be enforced.

I don't particularly care for  "virtual church," or "online services," but it's better than nothing, and does not  require anyone to disobey the Lord.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on May 14, 2020, 10:43:44 PM
As we approach the end of this world's history, many are tempted to discouragement. But, as we contemplate God's love for us and His great sacrifice in letting His innocent Son come this dark spot in the universe to suffer and die for our sin, how can we be discouraged? Here is a beautiful reminder that we ought not be discouraged:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on May 18, 2020, 08:43:48 AM
The world is waiting for a cure, a vaccine, to prevent infection. What if there is already a treatment for the Coronavirus? Of course Jesus is the cure for all diseases. But, He uses natural remedies to alleviate sickeness. An ounce of prevention is worth a hundred pounds of cure in today's world. But, there are treatments that do not have serious side effects as do drugs. After we have done what we can to have a strong immune system, we can also utilize natural remedies such as fomentation to help cure many afflictions.

God is keeping this from leaders of nations and the "experts" in medicine. That means we still have opportunity to use the "right arm" of the gospel to reach souls seeking help.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Marelis on May 22, 2020, 04:56:35 AM
In the US, everyone is forbidden to have church services, not just Adventists.  The government has not forbidden us to worship, or forced us to keep Sunday holy.  So, we are not being forced to choose between obeying God or man.  We have not been forbidden to keep Sabbath holy, and, as we all know, the Sabbath will be the point of controversy at the very end, when the mark of the beast is about to be enforced.

I don't particularly care for  "virtual church," or "online services," but it's better than nothing, and does not  require anyone to disobey the Lord.
Good question, Br Myers. I agree with you, Wally. I've actually been really enjoying my Sabbaths at home, to be honest, though. I've been participating in online local SS and two church services online, listening to favorite SDA speakers and have spent my Sabbath afternoons in quality Bible study and catching up by phone with believers.

One can absolutely keep the Sabbath and receive blessings without attending church.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Marelis on May 22, 2020, 05:08:12 AM
My question: With isolation now beginning to be eased, and soon church gatherings of a maximum of 10 persons will be allowed, will you go back to one of those 10-person congregation services whilst maintaining social distancing?

Furthermore......if your church conducts a number of services over the Sabbath day there will be required cleaning of surfaces in the building between services.....would you consider it to be work? How would God look upon the work of wiping down pews and chairs, podiums, keyboards and door handles?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wally on May 22, 2020, 04:35:28 PM
The guidelines issued by our Conference are impractical, and probably nearly impossible to implement.  They go well beyond what is expected in the secular arena.  They expect us to disinfect the bathroom every time it is used.  We stop at a rest area long the freeway when we are traveling in the southern part of the State, and they certainly don't clean it after every visit.  They've said we should not sing, period.  They highly recommend wearing masks (rather unhealthful if you ask me).  Can you imagine trying to lead a lessons study discussion while everyone is wearing a mask?  Give me a break!  After reading through it, I came away thinking that it wouldn't be much of a worship service.  We would be existing in an atmosphere of fear rather than reverence, or so it seems to me.

And, they expect a good portion of our congregation to stay home, since many of us are over 65.  I roll my eyes.  I'll be 70 this year, and I'm not afraid to go to church because of my age.  I'm more concerned about Lyme disease than I am about the Wuhan flu, but that doesn't keep me out of my woods.  How else would I get my firewood?  I might as well hide under my bed, because life is about risks on this sin-cursed planet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on May 22, 2020, 08:47:43 PM
Amen Wally. Today on the way home, the car in front of me on the freeway, just about rolled. The car next to him traveling at 75 pulled into his lane and just about hit him. He would have if the driver in front of me had not jerked the car into an open lane. It was a miracle the car did not flip. Risks? Every time we get into a car, especially with all the drugs being used.

There appears to be multiple reasons for the lockdown, and politics sits at the top.  Another is that many are fearful of dying from the virus.  They do not have peace as we do. So, they will live a life ignoring science regarding health, use drugs even if eating properly, drive fast cars and worry about the virus?   

Has anyone noticed the governors look neat and clean? They seem to have found some way to get their hair cut even though the rest of us were ordered not to.  :(  The question was asked today, why are the Democrats so angry?  It is because they are fighting against God. Obama got them all they wanted, now they are losing it all. Yes, when you take something away, it does make people mad.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Marelis on May 26, 2020, 04:24:15 AM
It is good to discuss these matters. Yes, life is about risks, Wally and Richard. Lockdown has been the wake up call we needed and has afforded us the opportunity to be faced with scenarios we may not have needed to previously encountered or thought about. We were probably all stunned for some weeks. In any case, we've had a situation forced upon us in which we have had our liberties removed literally overnight, including no church attendance, severely restricted movement, no visitations. What surprised me was that I barely heard a murmur or complaint about the changes. We all obeyed and did as we were told. We didn't dare break any rules. Even if it was to avoid the hefty fines. All of which must make us do some serious soul-searching regarding:

- what is church going to look like hereafter?
- who and what is the church?
- loyalty to church organisation vs connecting more with like-minded individuals and small groups on the same wavelength
- when churches re-open...under what conditions are we willing to or called to meet inside a building designated a church? Are we willing sign in with all our personal details? Or with a ticket? Or if it involves cleaning on the Sabbath between services?
- the need to evangelise our churches, especially where there is apostasy
- being obedient to state regulations vs a higher calling to evangelise and give the final warning
- knowing when it is time for God's people to disseminate into the 'wilderness'

Let's discuss!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Glen McCluskey on May 30, 2020, 04:26:19 AM
Marelis raises some very important issues in the last posting.  I thought I would offer a personal response, sharing one person's perspective.

I am a self-employed software developer, with a long background in math and computers.  My chief outside interest is that of a long-time Bible and SOP student.  I study on my desktop PC, and capture spiritual information as I go.

Last summer I moved to a new residence, and since then, have had some trouble sleeping, and because of this, I often get up very early in the morning, and study for several hours.  I'm not sure whether I'm suffering from a conventional sleep malady, or whether instead it's a case of what Genesis 50:20 says -- "God meant it for good".

So what about the pandemic?  In the first place, I have a hard head, and am aware that the pandemic is real, but also that it's being used for political purposes, and the latter issue has taken on its own life.  I speak as someone who has a 96-year-old mother in assisted living nearby, and a couple of days ago I saw her for the first time in several months.

I'm also aware of collateral issues like a spike in the suicide rate, and similar kinds of things.

Beyond my involvement in the Bible and SOP, I follow current events closely, and am aware of recent developments like the unsealing of various documents that demonstrate that the whole Russian collusion issue was a huge hoax.

Given all this, what do I as a Bible and SOP student conclude?  One conclusion thus far is that we are living in a "time of revealing", where hidden issues and agendas and political biases are brought to light.  The Bible and SOP say a great deal about this, for example Matthew 10:26 about how things that are covered will be revealed.

I also follow a variety of SDA publications, and have been troubled by what seems to be a bland response to the issue, and articles with titles like "Four Ways to Deal With Crises in Your Life".  I find this type of response to be quite revealing.

My best informed guess on these revealings is that they are setting up for judgment, where the Lord first allows certain things to be demonstrated and revealed in our world, and then a process of judgment takes place.

I think it's possible for the final events, e.g. a Sunday law, to take place in the present culture, but it seems more likely to me that the current developments we're seeing are instead the driving forces toward a paradigm shift, resulting in a more conservative and populist culture, and this in turn sets the stage for the final events.

As far as my own spiritual response, I write monthly essays, and the current one is entitled "Transparent Living".  It's not about the pandemic, but rather about living in times of crisis in general.  As an example, we know that Christ's disciples mostly ended up as martyrs.  How were they able to face this?

The argument I make in the essay is that they, and likewise we, should live our lives by yielding fully to Christ (James 4:7-8), and then enter into a cooperative partnership with Him (Colossians 1:29), following Paul's advice to "put on Christ" (Galatians 3:27).

All of this makes for rich discussion topics, and much more could be said.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on May 31, 2020, 06:18:46 PM
We're opening up June 6th.... masks, social distancing, and a simple test of blood oxygen (oximeter)...  if anyone tests low, we will recommend they go home and sanitize anything they might have touched.  Keep the fans moving the air and lots of ventilation. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on May 31, 2020, 06:23:50 PM
the other problem that we have right now is that it is incredibly hard giving new bible studies and going door to door.....
any ideas?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on June 01, 2020, 08:48:44 AM
Our difficulties are God's opportunity to reach many. In other words, we have great opportunity to share the health message (the right arm of the gospel) and that death is only a short sleep for all who love God with the whole heart. Fomentations are very effective. And, who has great light on the immune system which all are touting as the best that we can do to prevent dying from a coronas infection.

We have a website that reveals the life of Christ for those who want to share Jesus with those seeking from around the world. All who are looking for a way to share Jesus without coming in close contact can email me and I will share the link to the site.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on June 01, 2020, 08:51:54 AM
Thanks for sharing some about your situation Glen. We have appreciated your posts. It is sad that the church as many see it in Europe, Australia, and North America has failed to be a witness of the character of our God.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on June 03, 2020, 09:11:26 PM
two really good links for the origins of these viruses

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/where-do-deadly-coronaviruses-like-mers-cov-come-from/?utm_source=NutritionFacts.org&utm_campaign=6ffc6a55e7-RSS_VIDEO_DAILY&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_40f9e497d1-6ffc6a55e7-26501433&mc_cid=6ffc6a55e7&mc_eid=0caa1a92c9

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-sars-coronavirus-and-wet-markets/?utm_source=NutritionFacts.org&utm_campaign=d4d188c26f-RSS_VIDEO_DAILY&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_40f9e497d1-d4d188c26f-26501433&mc_cid=d4d188c26f&mc_eid=0caa1a92c9
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ClaudiaThompson on August 06, 2020, 02:56:13 AM
I thought some might be interested to read this.

ZWINGLI THE PROTESTANT REFORMER AND THE PLAGUE EPIDEMIC of 1519

THE GREAT CONTROVERSY, PAGE 179, 180
At Zurich, Zwingli preached zealously against the pardonmongers; and when Samson approached the place, he was met by a messenger from the council with an intimation that he was expected to pass on. He finally secured an entrance by stratagem, but was sent away without the sale of a single pardon, and he soon after left Switzerland.

A strong impetus was given to the reform by the appearance of the plague, or Great Death, which swept over Switzerland in the year 1519. As men were thus brought face to face with the destroyer, many were led to feel how vain and worthless were the pardons which they had so lately purchased; and they longed for a surer foundation for their faith. Zwingli at Zurich was smitten down; he was brought so low that all hope of his recovery was relinquished, and the report was widely circulated that he was dead. In that trying hour his hope and courage were unshaken. He looked in faith to the cross of Calvary, trusting in the all-sufficient propitiation for sin. When he came back from the gates of death, it was to preach the gospel with greater fervor than ever before; and his words exerted an unwonted power. The people welcomed with joy their beloved pastor, returned to them from the brink of the grave. They themselves had come from attending upon the sick and the dying, and they felt, as never before, the value of the gospel.

Zwingli had arrived at a clearer understanding of its truths, and had more fully experienced in himself its renewing power. The fall of man and the plan of redemption were the subjects upon which he dwelt. “In Adam,” he said, “we are all dead, sunk in corruption and condemnation.”—Wylie, b. 8, ch. 9. “Christ ... has purchased for us a never-ending redemption.... His passion is ... an eternal sacrifice, and everlastingly effectual to heal; it satisfies the divine justice forever in behalf of all those who rely upon it with firm and unshaken faith.” Yet he clearly taught that men are not, because of the grace of Christ, free to continue in sin. “Wherever there is faith in God, there God is; and wherever God abideth, there a zeal exists urging and impelling men to good works.”—D'Aubigne, b. 8, ch. 9.

Such was the interest in Zwingli's preaching that the cathedral was filled to overflowing with the crowds that came to listen to him. Little by little, as they could bear it, he opened the truth to his hearers. He was careful not to introduce, at first, points which would startle them and create prejudice. His work was to win their hearts to the teachings of Christ, to soften them by His love, and keep before them His example; and as they should receive the principles of the gospel, their superstitious beliefs and practices would inevitably be overthrown.

____________

Also, I thought I would add this thought....

To me it seems that if the Virus was caused by Bats and Bats live in Caves, in the darkness, that this may be the reason that they carry these types of Diseases? From a lack of Sunlight?

Ellen White talks alot about letting Sunlight into the Home, and opening the curtains. I think that it acts as a disinfectant.

And so, perhaps Sunlight would help to prevent this Disease and also help to cure it?

Since the Government are having People stay locked in, People should probably make sure to go outside at least in their own Backyards often to get Sunlight, and take Vitamin D3 Tablets.

Just an idea, I don't know if there is any "Science" to it.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on August 07, 2020, 04:31:41 PM
Makes sense to keep yourself as healthy as possible...  Vit D is important to every cell in the human body.  If you're not sure, get tested.  I have been taking 4,000 units a day and I tested low...not really low but low.  So now my daily is 8,000 units a day.  I'll go for another test next year.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on August 08, 2020, 01:31:07 PM
Yes, rahab, it would be good for  all to get tested for vitamins D3 and B12.  Even though I spend a lot of time outdoors, I tested low for D3 also.

Thank you for sharing Sister Claudia. It is good to see your posts today. What you have shared regarding Zwingli is important for us today. Sadly too many professing Christians fear death when they ought not. God is in absolute control. That does not mean we ought not be concerned about our health. We are to be examples as was Zwingli. When the Spanish flu laid to rest millions in 1918, it is known that the knowledge God as given to His church regarding natural remedies works. Fomentations applied daily to those who contracted the Spanish Flu healed all infected who were in the Danish-Norwegian Seminary in Hutchison Minn.

As a result of this system ·of handling a disease that is scoring thousands of victims every day there has not been one case that could have been called serious or a single death in the Seminary although there were more than 90 persons affected. The record is remarkable. It makes the ordinary methods of dealing with the flu appear irrational.

We will add that we are indeed thankful to God for His protecting care and for the  untiring efforts of Sister Louise Knudsen, our Seminary nurse, and for the assistance of the other nurses and helpers. The hydrotherapy treatments under the blessings of God are indeed helpful, as is recognized by this article. source (http://mnsdahistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/HTS_NUR19181217-V13-39-INFLUENZA-HUTCH-NEWSPAPER-WEBSITE.pdf)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Theophilus on August 08, 2020, 04:57:26 PM
Amen Wally. Today on the way home, the car in front of me on the freeway, just about rolled. The car next to him traveling at 75 pulled into his lane and just about hit him. He would have if the driver in front of me had not jerked the car into an open lane. It was a miracle the car did not flip. Risks? Every time we get into a car, especially with all the drugs being used.

There appears to be multiple reasons for the lockdown, and politics sits at the top.  Another is that many are fearful of dying from the virus.  They do not have peace as we do. So, they will live a life ignoring science regarding health, use drugs even if eating properly, drive fast cars and worry about the virus?   

Has anyone noticed the governors look neat and clean? They seem to have found some way to get their hair cut even though the rest of us were ordered not to.  :(  The question was asked today, why are the Democrats so angry?  It is because they are fighting against God. Obama got them all they wanted, now they are losing it all. Yes, when you take something away, it does make people mad.
::)
I know this quote is an oldie from May, but I'm rolling my eyes as to what you say about the Democrats, who are far more humane than the other guys ever thought about being. Dems are angry because  the monies allocated for businesses wound up with big business , churches, and meanwhile back at the ranch, we have families who lost their jobs and are struggling.  Wow. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on August 08, 2020, 06:52:10 PM
update of covid:

back in March cases of death were largely in the big cities   :'(

now in late July-August it is hitting the rural areas of America.   :(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on August 10, 2020, 10:51:37 AM
Theophilus I don't often bring such matters into conversation because it tends to bring division, and we do not want that. Let me expound on my statement. What we see in the politics of America is just what you shared. Corruption everywhere. My comments about the Democratic Party is that they are fighting against God openly. And, yes, so are the Republicans, but not so much openly. Look at the platforms for both parties. The Republicans have a base strongly supported by professing Christians. Yes, there are professing Christians supporting the Democrats, but they have a platform and actions that are anti Bible and thus anti God.

Corruption surrounds us, the world is as it was just before the great flood. As we see suffering all around us, we have opportunity to reach out a helping hand to those who are in need. The answer to these difficulties will not be found in government, but in Christ. Let us spend our time in living after the example of Christ who went about healing and preaching.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Cop on August 10, 2020, 01:25:07 PM
The answer to these difficulties will not be found in government, but in Christ. Let us spend our time in living after the example of Christ who went about healing and preaching.

AMEN!!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ClaudiaThompson on November 14, 2020, 05:32:07 AM
In the US, everyone is forbidden to have church services, not just Adventists.  The government has not forbidden us to worship, or forced us to keep Sunday holy.  So, we are not being forced to choose between obeying God or man.  We have not been forbidden to keep Sabbath holy, and, as we all know, the Sabbath will be the point of controversy at the very end, when the mark of the beast is about to be enforced.

I don't particularly care for  "virtual church," or "online services," but it's better than nothing, and does not  require anyone to disobey the Lord.

I completely agree. I can not understand why so many make such a big deal out of just staying at home. The Waldenses were the Church in the Wilderness. It really is not necessary all the time to go enter a Church building. John the Baptist was out in the Wilderness.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Theophilus on December 26, 2020, 07:05:15 AM
Exactly! People are screaming about staying at home, when they shouldn't be. When the Angel of Death passed over the Israelites, they were unharmed--they were told to stay home. Had any wandered out "in faith" they would've died.
I don't think it is a matter of lack of faith as it is thinking ones rights are being stepped on, and then using religion as an excuse.

 


(PS I don't find much anti God in democratic thinking. Social justice programs seem more Christian than Rep programs.)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on January 06, 2021, 07:58:32 PM
It is very sad that the issue of church has become a political issue. For many Christians it is a matter of liberty. America is no longer a Protestant nation. Individual liberties are being lost including freedom of worship.

It is true that we do not break God's law by wearing a mask in public. We ought to be respectful of other's safety if we are sick or may be infected with an illness. Let us be considerate of others and respectful of leaders unless they go contrary to God.

The Coronavirus is dangerous and is on the rise. Those who are young and have a strong immune system ought to continue working and helping others. Those with weaker immune systems need to strengthen their immunity and take care to lessen contacts until the pandemic weakens. It is a nasty virus. I am just surviving a bout with it. It took about 10 days to break the fever. With faith in God and hydrotherapy the victory was won. Quite weak after the battle, but temperature is back to normal and am breathing well.

Lessons learned:  The church has not established treatment rooms to minister to the sick with the natural remedies God has given to the world. My son gave me fomentations until he came down with the virus. Then there was no one to continue. this is the second time in the last couple of years that it has become very real that we are not walking in the light of God's counsel in regards to health reform.
Thus, those who would benefit from natural remedies during this pandemic are not. The light on the hill is not shining brightly.

God’s purpose in giving the third angel’s message to the world is to prepare a people to stand true to Him during the investigative judgment. This is the purpose for which we establish and maintain our publishing houses, our schools, our sanitariums, hygienic restaurants, treatment rooms, and food factories. This is our purpose in carrying forward every line of work in the cause.—Manuscript 154, 1902, 4

Most in the US suffer from low levels of D3 which is more than a vitamin, it is a hormone that is a powerful help to the immune system. One of the reasons why many are low in D3 even when working outdoors is that many processed foods contain high fructose corn syrup which blocks the formation of D3.

Medical literature suggests that doctors may be encouraging high doses of D3 for a short period of time without ill effects. D3 levels appear to be important in Covid19 responses.

Another natural remedy I used in my battle against the Coronavirus was eucalyptus oil. It is a very powerful agent that needs to be used with caution. Its remedial agent is concentrated in an oil and thus must be used sparingly. One or two drops in a tumbler of honey mixed well. Then only a teaspoon for help with a cough. Benefits will be to the lung.

The oil of the eucalyptus is especially beneficial in cases of cough and pains in the chest and lungs. I want you to make a trial of this remedy which is so simple, and which costs you nothing.—Letter 20, 1909










Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on January 06, 2021, 10:07:20 PM
Having taken this disease seriously, I have done my studies on it. Now, having been infected, I have a testimony as to God's faithfulness to care for His children in His ways. Going beyond my experience, I want to share with you what I feel is very good information based on scientific information. While I may not agree with all that is stated, I believe what I am sharing is important for you to consider including what is stated in regards to strengthening your immune system. Take time to watch the following video.  It is current having been posted January 4, 2021.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on January 14, 2021, 04:19:46 PM
Thank you and glad you have recovered!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 02, 2021, 08:07:17 AM
A Closer Look at How COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Work

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the immune cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.

Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.

At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection. The benefit of mRNA vaccines, like all vaccines, is those vaccinated gain this protection without ever having to risk the serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19.         source (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mRNA.html)




Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ClaudiaThompson on April 10, 2021, 12:06:35 AM
I was just wondering, has anyone else seen the videos by a Scientist and Vaccine maker named Geert Vanden Bossche?

It is really quite frightening what he has been warning against in regards to the Vaccine.

There are videos on YouTube with him explaining about what is happening.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Marelis on April 10, 2021, 05:17:28 PM
I was just wondering, has anyone else seen the videos by a Scientist and Vaccine maker named Geert Vanden Bossche?

It is really quite frightening what he has been warning against in regards to the Vaccine.

There are videos on YouTube with him explaining about what is happening.
I have, Claudia, and yes.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on April 10, 2021, 07:11:39 PM
I was just wondering, has anyone else seen the videos by a Scientist and Vaccine maker named Geert Vanden Bossche?

It is really quite frightening what he has been warning against in regards to the Vaccine.

There are videos on YouTube with him explaining about what is happening.

Me too. Loved the football diagrams. Made it very clear what’s going on in our bodies.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on May 02, 2021, 08:52:17 AM
MRNA vaccine has acute allergic reactions. Are we getting the truth as to how many are being injured? Here is an update on the numbers.

video (https://thehighwire.com/videos/evidence-vaccine-safety-system-is-failing/)


victims (https://thehighwire.com/videos/they-dont-want-to-see-people-like-us/)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on May 02, 2021, 12:35:35 PM
US states are banning Covid passports.  source (https://thehighwire.com/states-rebuke-vaccine-passports/)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wally on May 03, 2021, 06:20:06 PM
I suspect that most, if not all of these States have Republican governors.  The Democratically controlled States have been the most restrictive over the past year, and it hasn't made them any better off than the States which have been less oppressive.

Almost makes me want to move to Texas--or South Dakota.  But my wife wouldn't be in favor of either.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Dorine on May 04, 2021, 06:01:55 AM
At what point would you feel "forced" to get the vaccine? Would it be the threat of losing a job? or not being able to get groceries or medical care if you are not vaccinated? SDA's all around us are lining up for the vaccine and even 'bragging' about it. One friend said she was against it until she heard a clip from Secrets Unsealed saying that Ellen White got the Smallpox vaccination and urged her workers to do the same. So do we refuse the vaccine and trust that God will protect us from the virus or should we get the vaccine and trust that God will protect us from the harm that might come from it?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on May 04, 2021, 04:29:49 PM
At what point would you feel "forced" to get the vaccine? Would it be the threat of losing a job? or not being able to get groceries or medical care if you are not vaccinated? SDA's all around us are lining up for the vaccine and even 'bragging' about it. One friend said she was against it until she heard a clip from Secrets Unsealed saying that Ellen White got the Smallpox vaccination and urged her workers to do the same. So do we refuse the vaccine and trust that God will protect us from the virus or should we get the vaccine and trust that God will protect us from the harm that might come from it?


The small pox vaccine is very different that what they are giving us now....  it was a weakened virus.  Now, it is the genetic code of the virus injected into every cell of your body.  No one has any idea what the long term effects of this are going to be.  It is an individual choice.  No one should be forced one way or the other.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wally on May 04, 2021, 05:23:12 PM
  It is an individual choice.  No one should be forced one way or the other.

That's the bottom line.  One can only hope and pray that the various State governments, along with the federal government, will see it that way.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Dorine on May 05, 2021, 07:15:58 AM

Thank you for your thoughts. At this point it is an individual choice but when they start refusing to allow you to work, travel, buy or sell etc. I see that as a type of 'force'.

We need the guidance of the Holy Spirit more than ever. There will be many more issues that we will have to face and there will be times that there seems to be no answer as to which way we should turn. I'm thankful for the promises of God. When we are abiding in Him He will direct our paths.



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on May 05, 2021, 09:51:22 AM
Read the article I gave the link for and you will be encouraged.


US states are banning Covid passports.  source (https://thehighwire.com/states-rebuke-vaccine-passports/)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Dorine on May 05, 2021, 02:29:30 PM
Thank you Richard.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on June 16, 2021, 09:50:50 PM
Earlier in this topic, I made comments on fomentations and what I believed to be a good treatment for those infected with the Corona Virus. There is also are video for those who want to learn how to give them. This last couple of weeks I was allowed to treat a church brother who was not doing well in the hospital. That was a real miracle. After a week or so, they stopped us saying hospital rules did not allow some things like having a way to heat the water. We are not sure how high up this went, but from my perspective, I don't see many hospitals allowing us to treat their patients. My mother was being treated for Leukemia and after six days she got and infection and I was told she would not survive, that there was nothing they could do for her. I asked if I could give her a charcoal poultice. The physician said no. I prayed and asked him if I put him in touch with a medical doctor who had experience in treating patients with charcoal would he speak with him. He said yes. After a conversation with the doctor, he changed his mind and let me treat my mother with the charcoal poultices. God used this natural remedy to heal her from the infection and she lived. Praise God for His care and His natural remedies.

You may read more about the present situation with the Corona Virus in the Prayer Forum.  Very Urgent Prayers (https://remnant-online.com/smf/index.php?topic=3166.msg201282#msg201282)  Prior to doing the fomentations in the hospital, I instructed a sister in our church to give our patient's wife a fomentation, she also had been infected at the same time. She recovered nicely and has been able to help her husband through this great trial for both of them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Dorine on June 17, 2021, 05:28:50 AM
This is exciting. It's a lot of work but what is a life worth? No amount of time and work should be considered too much to save a persons life. We are going to see more of this being done as it gets harder and harder to see a doctor and the emergency rooms are overflowing. Covid is just the beginning of challenging times.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on June 17, 2021, 01:29:16 PM
Amen dear sister!  Many will be seeking help. We know that the economy will break down and those who are getting medical health now will be on their own. And, it is that way today in many places around the world. Since our site can be accessed throughout the world, we pray it will encourage many who today need the help of Jesus. This included those in China and India. Let us pray for them particularly, there are so many.
Title: House Hearing on Origin of Corona Virus
Post by: Richard Myers on July 01, 2021, 09:22:38 PM
Is it possible to infect a particular race with a Corona Virus?  Apparently so according to those who understand modern day warfare. There appears to be a lot of evidence that the Sars 2 Corona virus was engineered in the Chinese lab at Wuhan. But then who can we trust? God.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on July 11, 2021, 03:15:12 PM
For those who are seeking truth and understand the Corona Virus is a serious illness, take time to watch this video. It appears to me to be an honest presentation of an aspect of the disease and its treatment. I am not condoning the use of drug therapy, but I think the medical studies presented reveal much we can benefit from. And, the issue of wearing a mask is discussed towards the end of the video. I agree with the doctor's statement that the viral load has a direct relationship to how successful the virus is in infecting victims. Thus the wearing of a mask can reduce the viral load and thus reduce the impact on those infected.  And, wearing a mask will reduce the amount of virus expelled by those infected.  A mask does not guarantee one will not be infected, but the load will be reduced.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on July 12, 2021, 08:27:57 PM
Thumbs up 👍
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on August 05, 2021, 08:37:38 AM
Adverse reactions to Covid vaccines.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on August 07, 2021, 04:50:04 PM
Amazing stories and scary!!
Thank you for posting.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on August 11, 2021, 07:23:40 PM
This is long. 3 hrs +.  Listen in segments. They had technical difficulties and you know who caused that!!  Great information from SDAs.

https://youtu.be/aW0zphBntYY


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on August 22, 2021, 02:49:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/user/villagemediaministry

listen to Friday night, Sabbath afternoon are the most informatory in terms of the cororna virus, vaccines and religious freedoms...
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on September 16, 2021, 09:30:22 PM
What does this mean? Compare the deaths per million in the US to the deaths per million in India.  What is the vaccine rate in India compared to the vaccine rate in US and UK.


(https://remnant-online.com/Images/covidUSAdeaths.jpg)



See the vaccine rates here. Notice who has the very small rate of vaccination.  source (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105)

US has over twice the vaccination rate as does India.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on September 17, 2021, 03:27:11 PM
very interesting !!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on September 22, 2021, 09:31:01 AM
There is always more than what we initially see. One of the reasons can be attributed to a lower rate of keeping track of those dying in India. On the other hand, in the US there is a higher rate of false reporting the cause of deaths from Covid.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on October 01, 2021, 03:55:49 PM
There is always more than what we initially see. One of the reasons can be attributed to a lower rate of keeping track of those dying in India. On the other hand, in the US there is a higher rate of false reporting the cause of deaths from Covid.
agree

with this new drug out that will cure this delta at home I believe that this whole thing will soon be history
can we hope to return to 'normal' ???
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on October 02, 2021, 07:49:13 AM
Which drug?  It seems that there are a number of drugs being used and some being restricted by Biden (or who ever is making the decisions).
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on October 08, 2021, 06:33:44 PM
Which drug?  It seems that there are a number of drugs being used and some being restricted by Biden (or who ever is making the decisions).

It’s a form of tamiflu. You can stay at home and take the prescription. 
Title: Natural Immunity From Previous Infection
Post by: Richard Myers on October 26, 2021, 09:04:59 PM
Biden's command to get vaccinated refuses to consider acquired immunity from previous infection, even a year old. There are a number of studies on the subject. Here is one study from Covid study in Israel.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on November 05, 2021, 04:18:36 PM
Biden's mandate is going to be enforced or your company will pay.  Right now, it is only for companies with 100 or more employees. But, why would he stop there. He wants you, not just a few. It is a taste of what is coming. America is no longer the lamb, but the dragon. Many who have been vaccinated understand that you do not force something that can injure one to comply with your desires. America was the land of liberty. He now is using OSHA to search out the companies who respect individual rights. How expensive will it be to follow one's conscience?

OSHA will enforce the mandate through complaints filed with the agency and through “programmed or planned inspections." Those found harboring the guilty will be fined $13,653, unless it is a "willful" (matter of conscience) violation, then it can be $136,532.  Biden and Harris are very particular to get things right. Notice the 2 dollars after the $136,530.

And it appears that you will not longer get the company or your health insurance to pay for weekly testing if you choose to be tested and wear a mask. Apparently some will be allowed to forego the shots (not sure how many you will be forced to take, right  now it appears to be three, but since the vaccine does not work very well, it may be a weekly thing if Biden and Harris are re-elected).  You may think it is impossible, but we have seen some immoral ones elected a second time in the past.

Again, it is a Biblical Protestant principle we know is being rejected. America is no longer a Protestant nation. I am not being political in my comments. I would say the same thing if Trump and the Republicans stepped on the Protestant Constitution which is being shredded. it is a sign of the times and many remain asleep as to what is happening before our very eyes. How can immorality run rampant? Morality is the domain of the church. The church has become Babylon and no longer follows Biblical truth. Praise God that there are still Christians walking in the light of God's love and grace. Pray for the enemy and some will be saved.
Title: Re: Natural Immunity From Previous Infection
Post by: rahab on November 10, 2021, 05:04:17 PM
Biden's command to get vaccinated refuses to consider acquired immunity from previous infection, even a year old. There are a number of studies on the subject. Here is one study from Covid study in Israel.

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That’s scary!!  Thanks for sharing.
Title: What is Happening Today in Australia
Post by: Richard Myers on December 02, 2021, 10:46:55 PM

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on December 03, 2021, 04:55:35 PM
The World Health Organization has reported that the new variant Omicron is a high risk threat.  "The overall global risk related to the new VOC Omicron is assessed as very high." WHO (https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/technical-brief-and-priority-action-on-omicron.pdf?sfvrsn=50732953_3&download=true)

How many deaths reported due to this high risk variant?  I have not heard of any reports of deaths, but the US health people are pleading for immediage boosters for those who have been fully vaccinated. And, for those unvaccinated to do so for the sake of the world. This new variant has been found in many countries, yet we do not hear of hospitalizations. Why not?  South Africa does not appear to be suffering adversely from this as much as from other variants? 

Bad news spreads quickly and causes great difficulty. But, what if the Omicron is less lethal than the Delta Virus?  When Australia shuts down the economy people suffer. When bad news comes from the media and the WHO.... there goes the people's liberty. What if Australia was to force vaccinations upon those known to have serious allergies to the vaccines because of this "high" threat?

Even though there are large numbers of infections, what we are hearing is that there are no deaths from it in South Africa. Shall we send our children to get this mild infection. Is the risk of death less from Omicron than from vaccinations? Then it would be a blessing rather than a curse? On the other hand is it possible that the drugs being taken by large numbers in S. Africa may be preventing deaths and hospitalizations? One might want to ask which drugs are popular for curing or preventing the spread of diseases from mosquitos. Maybe hydroxychloroquine?  If it is and it proves to work against Covid...then what will the CDC do with their keeping it from the medical profession to treat Covid?  If it works better than vaccinations, think of the lives that could have been saved and the money that could have been saved. How much money has gone to the pharmaceuticals for the vaccines?

Let's wait and see if Omicron is a less lethal virus in South Africa, and then see if the Africans continue to successfully resist the virus. How long has the virus been in S Africa?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on December 04, 2021, 06:55:09 PM
As this mutates it becomes less and less deadly
But it will spread faster
Expect to get sick and expect to recover
Take care of your immune system and follow the ‘8 doctors’ of health
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on December 06, 2021, 09:05:57 AM
Amen!  This seems to be what is happening. If we were to get correct data, we would better understand the risk from Covid. There will be people who die from this virus as there are many dying every year from a virus. How serious is this virus right now, we do not know. Those who have no other life than the one they now have, are fearful of death and had the cages rattled to the point of not minding having their freedom taken away thinking it would keep them from dying. Some died yesterday when a drunk driver crossed over the double line and hit their car head on. Others in Chicago, or LA, or New York where stabbed to death. The great cause of death that many suffered yesterday was a sudden unexpected heart attack.

On the other hand, there will come a plague that we ought to run from.  We ought not be careless thinking germs have no affect on us because we do not eat pigs or cows. Some who are careless and do not follow good higined will contract Covid and die. As you have shared rahab, follow the principles of health given in Scripture and true science. And for God's church who has been given great light in regards to health, use it to reach those in need. Natural remedies are a blessing given to us that we might bless others. Those that are fearful of the Covid virus ought to be just as fearful of the Bovine Leukemia Virus that infects much of the dairy  products in many countries around the world. It will be a great benefit to tell mothers that their children do not need milk for strong bones and teeth. That was a lie brought into our schools by those who would profit from the sale of milk. It makes me sad and times angry when I see little ones with shaved heads and realize that their mothers do not understand the connection between cancer and the disease in animals which they eat.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on December 06, 2021, 03:38:01 PM
Amen!  This seems to be what is happening. If we were to get correct data, we would better understand the risk from Covid. There will be people who die from this virus as there are many dying every year from a virus. How serious is this virus right now, we do not know. Those who have no other life than the one they now have, are fearful of death and had the cages rattled to the point of not minding having their freedom taken away thinking it would keep them from dying. Some died yesterday when a drunk driver crossed over the double line and hit their car head on. Others in Chicago, or LA, or New York where stabbed to death. The great cause of death that many suffered yesterday was a sudden unexpected heart attack.

On the other hand, there will come a plague that we ought to run from.  We ought not be careless thinking germs have no affect on us because we do not eat pigs or cows. Some who are careless and do not follow good higined will contract Covid and die. As you have shared rahab, follow the principles of health given in Scripture and true science. And for God's church who has been given great light in regards to health, use it to reach those in need. Natural remedies are a blessing given to us that we might bless others. Those that are fearful of the Covid virus ought to be just as fearful of the Bovine Leukemia Virus that infects much of the dairy  products in many countries around the world. It will be a great benefit to tell mothers that their children do not need milk for strong bones and teeth. That was a lie brought into our schools by those who would profit from the sale of milk. It makes me sad and times angry when I see little ones with shaved heads and realize that their mothers do not understand the connection between cancer and the disease in animals which they eat.
exactly, amen
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on December 10, 2021, 07:46:09 PM
Drug companies make a lot of money, a very lot!  And, a lot of people die from drugs, legal drugs. A very lot of people.  Read some of the side effects from popular drugs.  Are pharmaceutical manufacturers making money from selling life saving vaccines?  A lot of money!  Did the vaccines prevent Covid spread and infections?  Why multiple shots? What if they say that we need a new shot for every variant, or even a third shot for one type of Covid Virus?  Would you believe that they might tell us we need four shots instead of three? What if they are already telling us we might need one next year, or even sooner?

Albert Bourla, Pfizer CEO originally expected a fourth dose after 12 months. He now thinks it might be needed sooner.

It would have been better if, from the first, all drugs had been kept out of our sanitariums, and use had been made of such simple remedies as are found in pure water, pure air, sunlight, and some of the simple herbs growing in the field. These would be just as efficacious as the drugs used under mysterious names, and concocted by human science. And they would leave no injurious effects in the system.  2Selected Messages, pg 291.

Again, take time to ask a Pharmacist for a list of drugs and their serious side-effects if you don't believe what is written here. Many drugs are or used to be made from herbs. What then is the difference between a drug and an herb? The beneficial herbs contain the remedial agent in a small amount. The pharmaceutical company concentrates the remedial agent to the point there is a side effect. When one does not study to find the cause of a disease and resorts to drug therapy, how can there be healing when the underlying cause remains. Symptoms may be reduced but at what expense to the body?

Before allowing something into your body you ought to understand what it is. Trusting in others to do this for you has proven to be foolishness in the past. Gene splitting, or crisper is not using drugs, but it is a form of amalgamation. It is true that some who were blind can now see after this form of treatment. But, again, when trusting others with your health will prove often than not to be a mistake.

There is a lot, a very lot of helpful information prepared for humanity from the world above. Don't neglect to take advantage of it with your spiritual life as well as your physical life.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on December 10, 2021, 08:05:40 PM
According to the World Health Organizations, to date there are no reported deaths from Omicron. Yes, there are deaths that the CDC list as Covid deaths when in fact the death came from a motorcycle crash, but the victim tested positive for Covid Delta and  Chinese virus. For some reason they are not doing this with Omicron when there are people dying from others issues, but are infected with Covid Omicron.

There is a new twist in New York from their new and first woman governor. She has mandated that businesses must refuse service to anyone who has not been vaccinated and is not wearing a mask. A form of pointing the hated ones causing the spread and killing innocent vaccinated heroes that are halting the spread? No, the vaccinated ones it turns out to be are spreading the virus. What does the vaccine do? A number of things, some good and some bad.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on December 13, 2021, 06:55:17 PM
According to the World Health Organizations, to date there are no reported deaths from Omicron. Yes, there are deaths that the CDC list as Covid deaths when in fact the death came from a motorcycle crash, but the victim tested positive for Covid Delta and  Chinese virus. For some reason they are not doing this with Omicron when there are people dying from others issues, but are infected with Covid Omicron.

There is a new twist in New York from their new and first woman governor. She has mandated that businesses must refuse service to anyone who has not been vaccinated and is not wearing a mask. A form of pointing the hated ones causing the spread and killing innocent vaccinated heroes that are halting the spread? No, the vaccinated ones it turns out to be are spreading the virus. What does the vaccine do? A number of things, some good and some bad.
yes

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on December 18, 2021, 09:02:47 PM
Is it God's will to have limitation of speech regarding vaccination?  Bible principles are being discussed.








Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on December 18, 2021, 09:28:31 PM
Does God give to us liberty of conscience when it comes to making a decision to vaccinate?  You will be blessed to listen to the  discussion on the subject.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on December 18, 2021, 10:49:41 PM
Liberty and Health Alliance Convocation in Phoenix Arizona-January 7 and 8, 2022.  Finding somewhere in Phoenix at this time of the year is not easy, but God has done this for a last minute meeting for those who are standing up for freedom of conscience in matters of vaccination. Does the church have a responsibility to take a stand on vaccination mandates?



Who is Liberty and Health?  Have questions about vaccination and exemptions?   Liberty and Health. org (https://libertyandhealth.org/blog/)

Support those who are standing firm for individual and religious liberty.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on December 19, 2021, 12:15:36 PM
What does Covid have to do with Bible principle? Where are we headed?  This video interview will open your eyes to how close we are to a world-wide society that is willing (wanting ) to control our lives. The Protestant Reformation, the United States Constitution and her "bill of rights" are not just under threat, but are being shredded. There are some who are not Seventh-day Adventists that understand what is happening and are concerned about the future and their ability to even express their beliefs.

If the world is willing to make laws removing freedoms, then what is wrong with making a law telling us to not work on Sunday? Why are so many wanting forced vaccinations, other than making money? There is great fear about being infected and dying. When the world is under attack in every way, which has already begun, and they are being told that God is unhappy because His sun day has been violated, of course they will again turn on those that are causing great fear. Better for a few to die than the whole world.

Title: Increase Immune Response
Post by: Richard Myers on December 19, 2021, 10:03:43 PM
Were we not told when Covid first struck that our best hope was a strong immune system? Then why is the NIH and the CDC not telling us what we can do to strengthen the immune system? This video will provide some information that many of us already understand and practice, but if not consider the information. It is well known today that few have enough vitamin D in their system even when spending time in the sun.


Title: Vitamin D, Sanitariums, and Need for True Science
Post by: Richard Myers on December 23, 2021, 12:32:29 PM
Here is another discussion by experts on vitamin D and other issues regarding health. Recorded in Jan 2021. Over an hour long, but worth it if you are interested in natural remedies and the word's best approach. Honest doctor and scientist, but of course they have been taught evolution, so be encouraged by the good and ignore the error. Even though there is not money to be made from Vit D it ought to be "mandated"  :)  rather than vaccines which can do injury.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on December 24, 2021, 08:37:55 AM
 “On one occasion a physician came to me in great distress. He had been called to attend a young woman who was dangerously ill. She had contracted fever while on the campground and was taken to our school-building, near Melbourne, Australia. But she became so much worse that it was feared she could not live. The physician, Dr. Merritt Kellogg, came to me and said, ‘Sister White, have you any light for me on this case? If relief cannot be given our sister, she can live but a few hours.’ I replied, ‘Send to a blacksmith’s shop and get some pulverized charcoal; make a poultice of it, and lay it over her stomach and sides.’ The doctor hastened away to follow out my instructions. Soon he returned, saying, ‘Relief came in less than half an hour after the application of the poultices. She is now having the first natural sleep she has had for days.’

“I have ordered the same treatment for others who were suffering great pain, and it has brought relief, and been the means of saving life. My mother had told me that snake bites and the sting of reptiles and poisonous insects could often be rendered harmless by the use of charcoal poultices. When working on the land at Avondale, Australia, the workmen would often bruise their hands and limbs, and this in many cases resulted in such severe inflammation that the worker would have to leave his work for some time. One came to me one day in this condition, with his hand tied in a sling. He was much troubled over the circumstances; for his help was needed in clearing the land. I said to him, ‘Go to the place where you have been burning the timber, and get me some charcoal from the eucalyptus tree, and pulverize it, and I will dress your hand.’ This was done, and the next morning he reported that the pain was gone. Soon he was ready to return to his work.
 
“I write these things that you may know that the Lord has not left us without the use of simple remedies which when used will not leave the system in the weakened condition in which the use of drugs so often leave it. We need well trained nurses who can understand how to use the simple remedies that nature provides for restoration to health, and who can teach those who are ignorant of the laws of health how to use these simple but effective cures.”—Letter 90, 1908.
 
“Soon there will be no work done in ministerial lines except medical missionary work.”Counsels on Health,  pg. 533. 
Title: Liberty, Individual and Religious
Post by: Richard Myers on January 06, 2022, 07:29:44 AM
Vaccines have been successful in protecting individuals from infectious disease. There are often adverse reactions from drugs and vaccines. Some consider very carefully if the benefit outweighs the danger in using these medical products. Some do not consider the dangers and take drugs and vaccines trusting the pharmaceutical industry and doctors. For most there is no consideration for changing one's habits even though science reveals prevention is the better choice when it comes to dealing with the diseases that are so common in today's world.

Doctors are looked up to and trusted when they prescribe drugs to deal with diseases, even when the side effects can be most serious, even death.

What are the side effects of the drugs being prescribed today? Are they less dangerous than 100 years ago? And how dangerous are vaccines today compared to 50 years ago? What are the side effects of the Covid vaccine? Are those who choose to be vaccinated told of the side effects? Why not? Are physicians who subject their patients to these dangers guilty when they do not advise them of the risks? Are there laws requiring medical personnel to inform patients of the adverse reactions that may occur after or during treatment? Is it unethical to treat someone without explaining the dangers and obtaining their permission?

Informed consent requires a physician to disclose the risks of proposed treatments so that the patient can make a decision regarding the treatment. How many physicians are informing those receiving vaccinations of the dangers? And if they are not informing the patient, then is this immoral and or illegal? Is the medical doctrine of informed consent being done away with by immoral physicians, government "mandates" wherein if there is no vaccination, people are fired from their jobs, and even churches that require vaccinations without disclosing the dangers which may include death?

Those who participate in such an immoral act are guilty when those they treat or those they threaten are injured. Tell those you influence what are the dangers as well as the benefits. When the government forces treatment, how does God view this? When churches submit to such force wherein people are forced to allow substances injected into their bodies that are known to have dangerous risks, they are accountable for the resulting injuries. These are moral issues involving more than life and death.

When Sunday laws are enforced, people will lose their jobs. Churches will be shut down. Lives will be lost. Those that participate in this will suffer for the oppression against humanity. So it is today when such oppression as we are seeing world-wide occurs. Let us not be one who participates in this oppression. And, lot us pray for those that are being oppressed.

Moral issues are the domain of religion. One of the religious leaders whom the world wonders after is he who mandates doctrine in the Roman Church, the ruling pope. He does not agree with lesser authorities, bishops in the church who want church members to be able to claim "conscientious objection to the vaccine on religious grounds."                         

"Some conservative anti-vaccine bishops, particularly in the United States, have said Catholics should have the possibility of claiming conscientious objection to the vaccine on religious grounds. But the pope has made clear in the past that he disagrees, never having mentioned the option.

Last month, he issued an appeal on behalf of the nonprofit U.S. group the Ad Council and the public health coalition COVID Collaborative, saying the vaccine should be taken by everyone." source (http://conscientious objection to the vaccine on religious grounds.)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on January 07, 2022, 04:46:58 AM
The health summit starts today! January 7-8 at Diamondback Stadium, Phoenix Arizona. Continuing medical education credits are available for physicians. Category One 18 accredited units. There is no charge for attendance and a meal will be provided on the Sabbath for the first 10,000 attendees.


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Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on January 07, 2022, 05:27:08 AM
Dr. Ben Carson is one of the speakers at the summit. How does he feel about the pandemic? He thought he was going to die from Covid, so he understands it is a serious matter. Here is a statement he made to Epoch Times published December 18:

Because in order to get an EUA, an Emergency Use Authorization to pursue the vaccines, you can’t have anything that’s effective as an alternative. So, that’s a defect in our system. We need to get rid of that and we should be able to pursue all the different avenues and let them take us where they possibly can. I think a lot of people died unnecessarily because we had that attitude.

You look at the infusion of antibodies, monoclonal antibodies. A tremendous advantage, which was not really utilized the way it should be early on. My life was saved because of it. I was severely ill with COVID. I was ready to move on to the next world, and it was really that therapy that turned things around for me. But there are many things that have been very effective that we have not pursued, including natural immunity.

The CDC so much as admitted a few weeks ago that they don’t have evidence that natural immunity is effective or is not effective, whether it’s easier or less easy to transmit the disease. Then they admitted that they don’t collect that information. Well, why wouldn’t you collect that information? Why wouldn’t you want to know that?

The only reason you wouldn’t do that is because you didn’t want to know the answer because it didn’t fit very neatly into what you’re trying to do, which is get everybody to be vaccinated. I think that’s one of the reasons that people don’t trust the information that’s coming out.

A lot of the people who probably should be vaccinated are not doing it because they see these inconsistencies, these things that make absolutely no sense. This demand that everybody get a vaccination, except if you’re coming across the southern border illegally and then it’s not all that important.
Title: Liberty and Health Sabbath Program NOW LIVE!!
Post by: Richard Myers on January 07, 2022, 06:23:46 PM
Friday night program.


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on January 07, 2022, 08:03:38 PM
Tonight's speaker in Phoenix, Dr. Peter McCullough recommended this booklet as a treatment guide. I have not read the booklet, but there are some beneficial suggestions. Please confer with your physician regarding treatment. Hydro-therapy, poultices, and natural remedies where mentioned tonight.

Covid Treatment Guide (https://procompounding.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/COVID-TREATMENT-GUIDE-ZN-AAPSOnline.org_.pdf)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on January 08, 2022, 07:05:43 AM
Liberty and Health Sabbath morning program is starting  9:00AM Phoenix time. 11:00AM Eastern.   Dr. Ben Carson will be speaking this morning.  Last night's program will be available here soon. It is something all, not just Seventh-day Adventists need to see. It is not only important for us today, but it will better prepare us for what is soon to come. Better that one should die than for the whole nation to perish.

Call family, friends, and church members, neighbors and give them a link to this post so they can watch the program now. All will appreciate your concern. It is an opportunity to share the truth much of which has been withheld from the world.         




Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on January 22, 2022, 07:49:38 AM
Power is moving in the direction of kings and popes. Liberty is fast disappearing and will continue as the world will be under increasing calamities. We shall soon hear that it God is unhappy with humanity because of the immorality and the lack of help for the downtrodden and protection of mother nature. How does the current pope respond to the world events?

­In his "State of the World" speech he made is clear that he believes it is immoral to refuse vaccination and called for vaccinations for the "good of the general population."  "Sadly, we are finding increasingly that we live in a world of strong ideological divides. Frequently people let themselves be influenced by the ideology of the moment, often bolstered by baseless information or poorly documented facts". How does the pope feel about religious exemptions? As the self proclaimed leader of the religious world, it can be seen he would not allow them.

He continues to promote the movement of populations into Europe and America. He also continues to use his influence to solve global warming hoping that action will be taken at COP26 later this year.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on January 28, 2022, 05:52:54 PM
Liberty and Health Sabbath morning program is starting  9:00AM Phoenix time. 11:00AM Eastern.   Dr. Ben Carson will be speaking this morning.  Last night's program will be available here soon. It is something all, not just Seventh-day Adventists need to see. It is not only important for us today, but it will better prepare us for what is soon to come. Better that one should die than for the whole nation to perish.

Call family, friends, and church members, neighbors and give them a link to this post so they can watch the program now. All will appreciate your concern. It is an opportunity to share the truth much of which has been withheld from the world.          Sabbath Morning Program (https://rumble.com/embed/vpjssy/?pub=4)

Thank you
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on January 28, 2022, 06:55:09 PM
This is Sabbath morning that begins with a testimony by the president of Liberty and Health Alliance. She is a board certified obstetrician and gynecologist. But, more than that she is a Seventh-day Adventist who loves Jesus and goes to Him for her wisdom. She refused to do what every one else was doing. She wants to do what is right because it is right.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on January 28, 2022, 07:02:54 PM
Sabbath afternoon.



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on February 02, 2022, 10:01:07 AM
Beginning to think that all the coercion and mandates and lies are due to the bottom line. $$$
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 02, 2022, 06:05:51 PM
Would you like to listen to two pharmaceutical employees (one fired, the other will be)? Neither are Christians, but ought to be. They care about people and are concerned about the lack of testing on the vaccines.  They are professionals that know what ought to have been done that was not done. You will hear the truth from these two honest human beings who are very sad about what has happened with the pharmaceutical industry.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 13, 2022, 08:23:27 PM
Sister Vicki has posted a link in our Religious Liberty Forum to a talk by Elder Conrad Vine.  Many are not fully registered so they do not have access to that forum. We therefor are posting it in this forum also. Who is Conrad Vine? From the AFM website:

Born into a pastoral family, Elder Conrad Vine grew up with his twin brother and two sisters in homes across the UK. After graduating with a business management degree (1995), he served in the UK public healthcare system before God led him to ADRA (1996). Initially serving in Azerbaijan, Elder Vine served with ADRA through 2002 in a variety of roles worldwide. Following seminary training at Newbold College (2002-2004), he and Luda began their pastoral ministry in London, UK. After a stint in the Middle East Union, they served in the pastoral ministry for 4 years in Minnesota following which Elder Vine answered the call to serve as President of Adventist Frontier Missions (AFM). Elder Vine is an ordained minister of the Gospel in the SDA.

The authority of the General Conference in Session has been usurped for a long time for those who think they may make doctrine in the church. When I first became aware of the practice it was in regards to ordaining women as elders in local churches. The Biblical principle to be followed is the same as how we decide if we should ordain women pastors. The World Church when in Session has said no three times. Yet, we have a rule made by others who were not the GC in Session that tells us we may ordain woman as local church elders violating Bible doctrine, the principles that forbid ordaining women pastors.

Now we have a very serious problem created by those other than the world church in Session that tells us it is not a doctrinal matter to say we have liberty of conscience to decide what enters our body, the temple of God. Elder Vine presents the issue much better than I.

Here is Elder Vine's presentation of the usurping of Word Church authority by ADCOM and other institutional authorities, in particular in regards to making a doctrine on vaccinations causing great harm to members of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.




Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Dorine on February 14, 2022, 04:32:40 AM
We recently became aware of Conrad Vine and have been watching his lectures. I've been in touch with him through email. He is a very gracious and godly man willing to take the backlash that he is receiving. He needs our prayers.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 27, 2022, 07:15:41 AM
Is it possible for the mRNA vaccine to enter the cell nucleus and alter a person's DNA?  The CDC and many doctors and scientists say absolutely "no".  Like many scientists tell us what happened 15 billions years ago on this Earth that led to human beings coming into existence. Are you willing to trusts those who are telling us DNA cannot be altered by mRNA vaccines? If the church authorities tell us we ought to take the vaccine, are they trusting in the CDC that they know  the long term safety of these vaccines that use gene splitting technology this is also amalgamating human genes with animals?

Do not take the statement being made in this video as truth. I am only presenting it to reveal how positive many are regarding the impossibility of mRNA altering our DNA. If the DNA is being altered, what are the consequences?  That is something many don't understand, but they ought to have been advised prior to taking an mRNA vaccine.





We can present many more such positive statements regarding the safety of mRNA vaccines and assurance that human DNA will not be compromised by these proved "safe" vaccines.   But, we need to first present a current expert scientific study revealing the possibility that mRNA may enter a cells nucleus and the DNA. This study ought to be made available to all who are considering taking a mRNA vaccine and to all who are advising others to take a mRNA vaccine. There is enough evidence to cause great concern about the long  and short term safety of this amalgamating technology.


Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 In Vitro in Human Liver Cell Line


urr. Issues Mol. Biol. 2022, 44(3), 1115-1126; https://doi.org/10.3390/cimb44030073 (registering DOI)
Received: 18 January 2022 / Revised: 19 February 2022 / Accepted: 23 February 2022 / Published: 25 February 2022

"Preclinical studies of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2, developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, showed reversible hepatic effects in animals that received the BNT162b2 injection. Furthermore, a recent study showed that SARS-CoV-2 RNA can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the genome of human cells."

 5. Conclusions
Our study is the first in vitro study on the effect of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 on human liver cell line. We present evidence on fast entry of BNT162b2 into the cells and subsequent intracellular reverse transcription of BNT162b2 mRNA into DNA.  link to study abstract (https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm)

Funding
This study was supported by the Swedish Research Council, Strategic Research Area Exodiab, Dnr 2009-1039, the Swedish Government Fund for Clinical Research (ALF) and the foundation of Skåne University Hospital.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 27, 2022, 04:17:15 PM
Now, we are ready for the experts who want vaccinations mandated, Fouchi and the CDC. What do they have to say about the safety of the mRNA vaccines? Can they enter our DNA?


(https://remnant-online.com/Images/mRNA3.jpg)



You can copy the address seen at the top of graphic.  I do not provide a link since  the CDC will probably take down this statement. My graphic is a screen shot of their site. They assure us that the mRNA cannot get into the nucleus of the cell, that the mRNA cannot affect the DNA.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on February 28, 2022, 05:39:13 PM
Somehow I don’t trust them  ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 28, 2022, 10:18:59 PM
rahab, read the prior post and you will better understand why they cannot be trusted. 


Here is another presentation that appears to reveal that the spike protein does in fact enter the nucleus of the cell.  Start at 6:00 mins.  Just a short part of the video discusses the nucleus.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ulicia on March 05, 2022, 04:26:37 PM
According to "Children's Health Defense" March 3, 2022,  Pfizer and FDA Dropped Data Bombshell on COVID Vaccine Consumers.   U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA’s) Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER) is for the first time allowing the public to access data Pfizer submitted to FDA from its clinical trials in support of a COVID-19 vaccine license.
The data reveals 1291 different rather serious effects the jab can have on the human body.  It is really quite shocking!  And yet they told us it was "safe" pressuring us to take the jab.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 08, 2022, 12:02:15 AM
Thanks Ulicia. Good to see your post!

Here is a link to the (CONFIDENTIAL) ANALYSIS OF POST-AUTHORIZATION ADVERSE EVENT REPORTS RECEIVED THROUGH FEB 28-2021  Pfizer Vaccine (https://www.riotimesonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Pfizer-real-data-released.pdf)

It was requested to be confidential for 75 years, but a judge said "no".  How many are being made aware of the side effects of this genetically modified drug? How many have been forced to take the shot without "informed consent"?

We have been told it is safe and does not enter the nucleus in our cells, nor does it change our DNA. This is not true. We now know that studies show it does enter the nucleus and the DNA.

Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 In Vitro in Human Liver Cell Line

urr. Issues Mol. Biol. 2022, 44(3), 1115-1126; https://doi.org/10.3390/cimb44030073 (registering DOI)
Received: 18 January 2022 / Revised: 19 February 2022 / Accepted: 23 February 2022 / Published: 25 February 2022

"Preclinical studies of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2, developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, showed reversible hepatic effects in animals that received the BNT162b2 injection. Furthermore, a recent study showed that SARS-CoV-2 RNA can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the genome of human cells."

 5. Conclusions
Our study is the first in vitro study on the effect of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 on human liver cell line. We present evidence on fast entry of BNT162b2 into the cells and subsequent intracellular reverse transcription of BNT162b2 mRNA into DNA.  link to study abstract

Funding
This study was supported by the Swedish Research Council, Strategic Research Area Exodiab, Dnr 2009-1039, the Swedish Government Fund for Clinical Research (ALF) and the foundation of Skåne University Hospital.



source (https://remnant-online.com/smf/index.php?topic=19029.msg203353#msg203353)
 source (https://remnant-online.com/smf/index.php?topic=19029.msg203366#msg203366)
Title: Call For Suspension of Covid mRNA Vaccines
Post by: Richard Myers on October 09, 2022, 01:24:42 PM
A reputable physician and pathologist share their knowledge and objection to continuing Covid vaccinations.  Dr. Aseem  Malhotra has new peer-reviewed papers published on the subject.  He also brings to light corruption in pharma, other corporations, periodicals, government agencies, and in medical community. He suggests solutions that can help reform the medical industry making medicine safer than it is today.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on January 09, 2023, 08:07:59 AM
There are two groups forming in the world, those who are seeking truth and those who reject the light. God is removing His Spirit from the world, those who can no longer hear that "still small voice,"  and pouring out His Spirit upon those seeking truth.

It is obvious to those who want truth that there is a problem regarding interpreting the data on the Covid vaccinations. Truth to a great degree has been overlooked by manufacturers and regulators. Sadly, also by others who  have been financially benefited from the sale of the vaccines. This ought not be a surprise to those who love the Lord our God with the whole heart. The Earth is fast approaching as it was at the time of Noah when God destroyed every living thing off the face of the Earth except what was in the ark.

In taking an hour yesterday to study what is happening currently with Covid, I found this video which I recommend to you. These two men are indeed open to truth. They both know there is a power beyond what they possess. To what degree I do not know. Let us pray that they continue their search for truth.


"Cause Unknown"


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on January 10, 2023, 09:02:50 PM
Thank you for sharing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on January 12, 2023, 09:18:57 PM
:)   They both are very concerned about what is happening to those who were vaccinated.  They are seeking truth.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on February 27, 2023, 07:12:02 PM
General Conference Reaffirming the Seventh-day Adventist Church’s Response to COVID-19[1]
Silver Spring, Maryland, United States

October 25, 2021

This document has been produced by the General Conference Administration, Biblical Research Institute, General Conference Health Ministries, Public Affairs and Religious Liberty Department, General Conference Office of General Counsel, and Loma Linda University Health. It builds on the immunization statement voted in April 2015 and affirms both this latter statement, and the information on the COVID-19 vaccines shared on December 22, 2020.


The COVID-19 pandemic is the greatest public health crisis in a hundred years. It has devastated populations around the world and severely affected physical, spiritual, mental, emotional, and relational health. In its wake isolation, recurrent surges, economic disruption, and death are all ongoing. We are confronted with mitigation measures such as masking, social (physical) distancing, handwashing, early detection, testing, and contact tracing that have become part of our daily lives.

In the midst of this time of crisis and disruption the Seventh-day Adventist Church is committed to the mission of lifting up Christ, His Word, His righteousness, and the proclamation of His Three Angels’ Messages to the world in preparing people, through the Holy Spirit’s power, for Jesus’ soon coming. The health message is the right arm of the gospel and therefore a healthy lifestyle has been an important part of the beliefs of the Adventist Church since its early years and remains so. We are still committed to live, share, and promote healthy living as expressed by the wholistic Adventist health message entrusted to the Church. The Adventist health studies have confirmed the unequivocal benefits of increased longevity and quality of life through implementing such health practices. These include a balanced vegetarian diet, exercise, drinking adequate volumes of water, regular exercise, careful exposure to sunshine, fresh air, abstaining from alcohol, tobacco, and other harmful substances, adequate rest and sleep, and importantly, trust in God. These practices enhance and maintain healthy immunity. Beyond those benefits of healthy lifestyle principles and preventive public health practices, the Church affirms and recommends the responsible use of vaccines as an important public health measure, especially during a pandemic. At the same time, the Church respects the rights of individuals’ freedom of choice for those who choose not to be vaccinated. https://www.adventist.org/official-statements/immunization/

The current position of the Church on immunization and vaccines, including COVID-19, builds on the insights of the comprehensive health message Seventh-day Adventists have endorsed early on with ample support in Scripture and the writings of Ellen G. White that refer to the importance of disease prevention. As a denomination, we have advocated the synergy of a healthy lifestyle and responsible immunization for more than one hundred years. In the light of the global magnitude of the pandemic, the deaths, disability, and long-term COVID-19 effects that are emerging in all age groups, we encourage our members to consider responsible immunization and the promotion and facilitation of the development of what is commonly termed herd immunity (pre-existing community immunity of approximately 80 percent of the population or more as a result of previous infection and/or vaccination). We are aware that vaccines may have side effects, and these can be severe in a small percentage of cases, including death in rare situations. No vaccine is 100 percent effective. Therefore, our decisions need to carefully take into consideration the risk of taking the vaccine compared to the risks of being infected with COVID-19. The immunity conferred by both the natural infection and the vaccine are time limited and the administration of “booster” doses may be needed. Acquiring a booster shot, upon recommendation from one's health care provider, may further promote personal and public health. The need for such a booster shot does not indicate the “failure” of a vaccine but reflects the nature of antibody levels that may drop over time.

The Seventh-day Adventist Church respects each individual’s freedom of choice to make responsible decisions regarding their own health. Since our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and we are Christ’s both by creation and redemption, we should personally seek God’s will about COVID-19 vaccinations. The decision whether to take the vaccine or not is not a matter of salvation, nor is it related, as some may suggest, to the mark of the beast. It is a matter of personal choice.[2] We firmly believe that in matters of personal conviction we must be guided by the Word of God, our conscience, and informed judgment. In weighing the various options, we should also take into consideration that the benefits of vaccination extend beyond oneself and help to protect the local and global community at large. After personally researching all sides of the question, considering one’s own unique health situation, seeking medical counsel, and praying, individuals should then, in consultation with their medical advisor/doctor, make the best choice possible (see 1 Corinthians 6:19, 20; Psalm 32:8; Proverbs 11:14; James 1:5; Isaiah 58:11). As the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists’ information on COVID-19 vaccines released on December 18, 2020, and predicated on the 2015 Immunization statement confirms:

“THE DECISION TO BE IMMUNIZED OR NOT IS THE CHOICE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL, AND SHOULD BE TAKEN IN CONSULTATION WITH ONE’S HEALTH-CARE PROVIDER. PERSONAL RESEARCH ON THE SUBJECT IS IMPORTANT. WE ULTIMATELY RELY ON FOLLOWING BIBLICAL HEALTH PRACTICES AND THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY, AND FOLLOWING GOD’S LEADING IN OUR LIVES, WHICH WILL BRING US PEACE AND ASSURANCE IN OUR DECISION-MAKING.” https://www.healthministries.com/covid-19-vaccines-addressing-concerns-offering-counsel/

Countries and societies around the world have previously faced public health mandates in various forms. These have been put in place as a protection, recognizing that the health of the community is a major determinant of individual health and disease susceptibility. Public health practices have been mandated from the time of Moses and, probably, earlier. More recent examples of mandated public health practices include the banning of smoking on aircraft, and the use of safety belts as a general requirement for all motor vehicles. Over the past 120 years, mandated smallpox vaccination has been implemented in the United States general population and in countries around the world, resulting in a smallpox-free world at present. Numerous other infectious diseases have been brought under control by vaccinations and have also been subject to mandates (e.g. polio, measles, diphtheria). Seventh-day Adventist missionaries in the 1930s were instructed by the Church, as their employer, to receive the smallpox and typhoid immunizations. These requirements have been shared widely over the years in the Church’s official publications and acceptance of this requirement by Church members has been positive overall. The requirements for missionaries to be appropriately and responsibly vaccinated continue today. Ellen White did not comment on the issue of religious liberty in connection with vaccination mandates in her lifetime. She clearly understood the wholistic health message entrusted to the Church better than most.

The Seventh-day Adventist Church is not opposed to public safety and government health mandates. Submission to government authorities is a biblical principle unless it conflicts with obedience to God (Matthew 22:21; Romans 13:1-7). In many cases the Seventh-day Adventist Church has supported government mandates in support of health and safety issues. When it comes to COVID-19 vaccinations, we believe individuals have the right to state and defend their conviction whether to be vaccinated or not. Mandates usually allow exemptions for individual religious convictions or health conditions. With widespread personal testing available, individuals may choose instead to submit to regular testing if required.

The Public Affairs and Religious Liberty department of the General Conference (PARL) regards COVID-19 as a Public Health crisis and views connection with vaccines accordingly. PARL provides support and assistance for members who are standing for the religious teachings and doctrines of the Church, as expressed in its system of beliefs and policy statement (and also for other faith groups). We recognize that at times our members will have personal concerns and even conscientious convictions that go beyond the teachings and positions of the Church. In these cases, the Church’s religious liberty leaders will do what they can to provide support and counsel on a personal basis, not as a Church position, even at times assisting members in writing their own personal accommodation requests to employers and others. To avoid confusion, however, about the Church’s own positions, it will often be the case that in such circumstances the Church will not wish its support or advocacy for the member to be reflected in public correspondence or communications. It is important that the Church preserve its ability to speak to issues that are central to its system of beliefs and identity, and that its influence not be diluted by pursuing personal convictions and agendas that are not central to its Gospel and prophetic concerns.

The Seventh-day Adventist Church, in consultation with the Health Ministries and Public Affairs and Religious Liberty departments of the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists, is convinced that the vaccination programs that are generally being carried out are important for the safety and health of our members and the larger community. Therefore, claims of religious liberty are not used appropriately in objecting to government mandates or employer programs designed to protect the health and safety of their communities.

This has generally been the position of the Church for the last century, since the modern vaccine program was developed. If we use our religious liberty resources in such personal decision advocacy efforts, we believe that we will weaken our religious liberty stance in the eyes of the government and the public. Such efforts would make it less likely that these arguments will be heard and appreciated when they are used for matters of worship and religious practice. We understand that some of our members view things differently, and we respect those convictions. They may at times have rights that can be pursued under the law, and we will point them towards materials and resources for doing so but cannot directly undertake this personal effort for them.

How has Loma Linda University Health (LLUH), one of our fine denominational health universities, and its school of medicine responded during the pandemic? Currently, 90 percent of our LLUH students are vaccinated as are 97 percent of our doctors. Religious declinations are offered at hospitals for those who feel strongly about not getting the vaccine, but must be accompanied by weekly testing. As a result, COVID-19 reports among students and staff have significantly declined since December 2020.

What will really count during this pandemic and beyond is how we treat each other, particularly within the Church but also within our wider communities. Anger, stigmatization, or vilification should not reside within the body of Christ. We need to relate to each other with respect, love, and compassion.

Instead of focusing on our individual convictions, we should draw more closely together in relationship with Christ and with each other. We should practice encouraging one another and bringing hope to the people of the world as we share God’s important Three Angels’ Messages and the anticipation of Christ’s soon return. We should work on becoming more active in our churches and not create divisions within the wider Church body. As Adventists we are to be an example to others, keeping in mind that the universe is watching.

It is important to care for one another, taking others into account in our practices. This includes the prevention of the spread of deadly disease and, in considering the vaccine or not, having love for one another and loving our neighbors as ourselves. Then, together, we may move forward in faith, “bearing with one another in love” and heeding Heaven’s counsel: “Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace” (Ephesians 4:2, 3). Christ calls us to not be afraid and to place our assurance in Him as nothing can separate us from His love (Romans 8:31-39). “The Lord himself goes before you and will be with you; He will never leave you nor forsake you. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged.” (Deuteronomy 31:8; also John 16:33) Let us put our hope in Jesus and be encouraged in Him for He has overcome the world!

As a global organization, the Seventh-day Adventist Church does not and cannot address the unique legal circumstances and vaccination mandates that may be required in the more than 200 nations in which the Church operates. Each nation’s law must be consulted about the possibility and availability of religious exemption for those who have strongly-held opinions about being vaccinated against COVID-19. The Seventh-day Adventist Church does not advocate for religious exemptions to vaccination on either a global or national basis, based on its understanding of both the Bible and the writings of Ellen G. White, and as expressed in this statement.

References and Sources:

    https://www.adventist.org/guidelines/immunization/
    https://www.healthministries.com/covid-19-vaccines-addressing-concerns-offering-counsel/
    https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-and-research.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fmore%2Fscience-and-research.html
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html
    https://www.paho.org/en/covid-19-vaccines/frequently-asked-questions-covid-19-vaccines
    Vaccine effectiveness against hospitalization, in Israel. Lancet 2021.
    Vaccine effectiveness against infections, severe infections, and deaths, in Italy. Vaccines 2021.
    Vaccine effectiveness in U.S. health care personnel. New England Journal of Medicine 2021.
    Pfizer vaccine safety. New England Journal of Medicine 2021.

[1] (Title) The process for this document has included wide consultation from different Church entities and specialists representing the World Church.

[2] We would do well to remember that God gave Adam and Eve the freedom of choice in the Garden of Eden, although that choice resulted in significant consequences.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on February 28, 2023, 05:33:03 PM
Thanks for posting this information.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 02, 2023, 06:01:42 PM
There are Bible statements that can help us make a decision as to do regarding vaccinations. What did the General Conference and those who are responsible for the decision made regarding the encouragement to be vaccinated and boosted, tell us from the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy? Since we had a General Conference Session that could have made the decision, why did the General Conference administrative committee take it upon themselves to usurp the authority of the General Conference? We understand the need for the General Conference administrative committee to make decisions in between sessions. But, never ought they make important doctrinal decisions. If it can't wait unto the next scheduled session, then call an emergency session.

Today, we have the General Conference Session voting three times to not ordain women pastors while at the same time we have women being ordained as local elders. It is the same Biblical truth that pertains to both.The GC in annual council made the decision to ordain local elders, and it was contrary to Scripture. Yet, it stands as law in God's church and is at odds with the GC decision to not ordain women. This usurping of authority needs to come to a stop.

How many schools and hospitals have fired employees because they did not get vaccinated? If this has happened, then why did the above document not address this?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on March 03, 2023, 03:09:16 PM
Agree

We have some problems that need to be solved.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richard Myers on March 03, 2023, 09:12:36 PM
I believe some are innocent in their understanding of vaccinations. But, when leaders in the church take it  upon themselves to make decisions that hurt others, like insisting they inject something into their bodies or be fired, we cannot remain silent. Five years between the election of new officers is too long. We were told to select new leaders every year for a good reason. We have church members who ought not hold the offices they are in. They are not walking in the light given. Many leaders remain  in a Laodicean condition.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: rahab on February 04, 2024, 07:33:02 PM
Have a question regarding several people that have had long term health problems after having the latest bout with the omicron variant.

For at least a month after recovering from the illness they have trapped fluid in their ears and can’t hear.

I’ve suggested a treatment for swimmers ear using alcohol. I suggested that they try hydrogen peroxide for 5 minutes in each ear and still the ears remain closed up.

Any suggestions??