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Title: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: R Myers on September 24, 2000, 09:30:00 PM

Imprisonment and Death of John

     John the Baptist had been first in heralding Christ's kingdom, and he was first also in suffering. From the free air of the wilderness and the vast throngs that had hung upon his words, he was now shut in by the walls of a dungeon cell. He had become a prisoner in the fortress of Herod Antipas. In the territory east of Jordan, which was under the dominion of Antipas, much of John's ministry had been spent. Herod himself had listened to the preaching of the Baptist. The dissolute king had trembled under the call to repentance. "Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy; . . . and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly." John dealt with him faithfully, denouncing his iniquitous alliance with Herodias, his brother's wife. For a time Herod feebly sought to break the chain of lust that bound him; but Herodias fastened him the more firmly in her toils, and found revenge upon the Baptist by inducing Herod to cast him into prison.   
     The life of John had been one of active labor, and the gloom and inaction of his prison life weighed heavily upon him. As week after week passed, bringing no change, despondency and doubt crept over him. His disciples did not forsake him. They were allowed access to the prison, and they brought him tidings of the works of Jesus, and told how the people were flocking to Him. But they questioned why, if this new teacher was the Messiah, He did nothing to effect John's release. How could He permit His faithful herald to be deprived of liberty and perhaps of life?
     These questions were not without effect. Doubts which otherwise would never have arisen were suggested to John. Satan rejoiced to hear the words of these disciples, and to see how they bruised the soul of the Lord's messenger. Oh, how often those who think themselves the friends of a good man, and who are eager to show their fidelity to him, prove to be his most dangerous enemies! How often, instead of strengthening his faith, their words depress and dishearten! 
     Like the Saviour's disciples, John the Baptist did not understand the nature of Christ's kingdom. He expected Jesus to take the throne of David; and as time passed, and the Saviour made no claim to kingly authority, John became perplexed and troubled. He had declared to the people that in order for the way to be prepared before the Lord, the prophecy of Isaiah must be fulfilled; the mountains and hills must be brought low, the crooked made straight, and the rough places plain. He had looked for the high places of human pride and power to be cast down. He had pointed to the Messiah as the One whose fan was in His hand, and who would thoroughly purge His floor, who would gather the wheat into His garner, and burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. Like the prophet Elijah, in whose spirit and power he had come to Israel, he looked for the Lord to reveal Himself as a God that answereth by fire. 
     In his mission the Baptist had stood as a fearless reprover of iniquity, both in high places and in low. He had dared to face King Herod with the plain rebuke of sin. He had not counted his life dear unto himself, that he might fulfill his appointed work. And now from his dungeon he watched for the Lion of the tribe of Judah to cast down the pride of the oppressor, and to deliver the poor and him that cried. But Jesus seemed to content Himself with gathering disciples about Him, and healing and teaching the people. He was eating at the tables of the publicans, while every day the Roman yoke rested more heavily upon Israel, while King Herod and his vile paramour worked their will, and the cries of the poor and suffering went up to heaven.
     To the desert prophet all this seemed a mystery beyond his fathoming. There were hours when the whisperings of demons tortured his spirit, and the shadow of a terrible fear crept over him. Could it be that the long-hoped-for Deliverer had not yet appeared? Then what meant the message that he himself had been impelled to bear? John had been bitterly disappointed in the result of his mission. He had expected that the message from God would have the same effect as when the law was read in the days of Josiah and of Ezra (2 Chronicles 34; Nehemiah 8, 9); that there would follow a deep-seated work of repentance and returning unto the Lord. For the success of this mission his whole life had been sacrificed. Had it been in vain? 
     John was troubled to see that through love for him, his own disciples were cherishing unbelief in regard to Jesus. Had his work for them been fruitless? Had he been unfaithful in his mission, that he was now cut off from labor? If the promised Deliverer had appeared, and John had been found true to his calling, would not Jesus now overthrow the oppressor's power, and set free His herald? 
     But the Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ. The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,--all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One.
     John would not discuss his doubts and anxieties with his companions. He determined to send a message of inquiry to Jesus. This he entrusted to two of his disciples, hoping that an interview with the Saviour would confirm their faith, and bring assurance to their brethren. And he longed for some word from Christ spoken directly for himself.   
     The disciples came to Jesus with their message, "Art Thou He that should come, or do we look for another?" 
     How short the time since the Baptist had pointed to Jesus, and proclaimed, "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." "He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me." John 1:29, 27. And now the question, "Art Thou He that should come?" It was keenly bitter and disappointing to human nature. If John, the faithful forerunner, failed to discern Christ's mission, what could be expected from the self-seeking multitude?
     The Saviour did not at once answer the disciples' question. As they stood wondering at His silence, the sick and afflicted were coming to Him to be healed. The blind were groping their way through the crowd; diseased ones of all classes, some urging their own way, some borne by their friends, were eagerly pressing into the presence of Jesus. The voice of the mighty Healer penetrated the deaf ear. A word, a touch of His hand, opened the blind eyes to behold the light of day, the scenes of nature, the faces of friends, and the face of the Deliverer. Jesus rebuked disease and banished fever. His voice reached the ears of the dying, and they arose in health and vigor. Paralyzed demoniacs obeyed His word, their madness left them, and they worshiped Him. While He healed their diseases, He taught the people. The poor peasants and laborers, who were shunned by the rabbis as unclean, gathered close about Him, and He spoke to them the words of eternal life.
     Thus the day wore away, the disciples of John seeing and hearing all. At last Jesus called them to Him, and bade them go and tell John what they had witnessed, adding, "Blessed is he, whosoever shall find none occasion of stumbling in Me." Luke 7:23, R. V. The evidence of His divinity was seen in its adaptation to the needs of suffering humanity. His glory was shown in His condescension to our low estate.
     The disciples bore the message, and it was enough. John recalled the prophecy concerning the Messiah, "The Lord hath anointed Me to preach good tidings unto the meek; He hath sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord." Isaiah 61:1, 2. The works of Christ not only declared Him to be the Messiah, but showed in what manner His kingdom was to be established. To John was opened the same truth that had come to Elijah in the desert, when "a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the Lord; but the Lord was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was not in the earthquake: and after the earthquake a fire; but the Lord was not in the fire:" and after the fire, God spoke to the prophet by "a still small voice." 1 Kings 19:11, 12. So Jesus was to do His work, not with the clash of arms and the overturning of thrones and kingdoms, but through speaking to the hearts of men by a life of mercy and self-sacrifice. 
     The principle of the Baptist's own life of self-abnegation was the principle of the Messiah's kingdom. John well knew how foreign all this was to the principles and hopes of the leaders in Israel. That which was to him convincing evidence of Christ's divinity would be no evidence to them. They were looking for a Messiah who had not been promised. John saw that the Saviour's mission could win from them only hatred and condemnation. He, the forerunner, was but drinking of the cup which Christ Himself must drain to its dregs.
     The Saviour's words, "Blessed is he, whosoever shall find none occasion of stumbling in Me," were a gentle reproof to John. It was not lost upon him. Understanding more clearly now the nature of Christ's mission, he yielded himself to God for life or for death, as should best serve the interests of the cause he loved.
     After the messengers had departed, Jesus spoke to the people concerning John. The Saviour's heart went out in sympathy to the faithful witness now buried in Herod's dungeon. He would not leave the people to conclude that God had forsaken John, or that his faith had failed in the day of trial. "What went ye out into the wilderness to see?" He said. "A reed shaken with the wind?" 
     The tall reeds that grew beside the Jordan, bending before every breeze, were fitting representatives of the rabbis who had stood as critics and judges of the Baptist's mission. They were swayed this way and that by the winds of popular opinion. They would not humble themselves to receive the heart-searching message of the Baptist, yet for fear of the people they dared not openly oppose his work. But God's messenger was of no such craven spirit. The multitudes who were gathered about Christ had been witnesses to the work of John. They had heard his fearless rebuke of sin. To the self-righteous Pharisees, the priestly Sadducees, King Herod and his court, princes and soldiers, publicans and peasants, John had spoken with equal plainness. He was no trembling reed, swayed by the winds of human praise or prejudice. In the prison he was the same in his loyalty to God and his zeal for righteousness as when he preached God's message in the wilderness. In his faithfulness to principle he was as firm as a rock.
     Jesus continued, "But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, they which are gorgeously appareled, and live delicately, are in kings' courts." John had been called to reprove the sins and excesses of his time, and his plain dress and self-denying life were in harmony with the character of his mission. Rich apparel and the luxuries of this life are not the portion of God's servants, but of those who live "in kings' courts," the rulers of this world, to whom pertain its power and its riches. Jesus wished to direct attention to the contrast between the clothing of John, and that worn by the priests and rulers. These officials arrayed themselves in rich robes and costly ornaments. They loved display, and hoped to dazzle the people, and thus command greater consideration. They were more anxious to gain the admiration of men than to obtain the purity of heart which would win the approval of God. Thus they revealed that their allegiance was not given to God, but to the kingdom of this world.
     "But what," said Jesus, "went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet. For this is he, of whom it is written,--


          "Behold, I send My messenger before Thy face,
           Which shall prepare Thy way before Thee. 

     "Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist." In the announcement to Zacharias before the birth of John, the angel had declared, "He shall be great in the sight of the Lord." Luke 1:15. In the estimation of Heaven, what is it that constitutes greatness? Not that which the world accounts greatness; not wealth, or rank, or noble descent, or intellectual gifts, in themselves considered. If intellectual greatness, apart from any higher consideration, is worthy of honor, then our homage is due to Satan, whose intellectual power no man has ever equaled. But when perverted to self-serving, the greater the gift, the greater curse it becomes. It is moral worth that God values. Love and purity are the attributes He prizes most. John was great in the sight of the Lord, when, before the messengers from the Sanhedrin, before the people, and before his own disciples, he refrained from seeking honor for himself, but pointed all to Jesus as the Promised One. His unselfish joy in the ministry of Christ presents the highest type of nobility ever revealed in man.   
     The witness borne of him after his death, by those who had heard his testimony to Jesus, was, "John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this Man were true." John 10:41. It was not given to John to call down fire from heaven, or to raise the dead, as Elijah did, nor to wield Moses' rod of power in the name of God. He was sent to herald the Saviour's advent, and to call upon the people to prepare for His coming. So faithfully did he fulfill his mission, that as the people recalled what he had taught them of Jesus, they could say, "All things that John spake of this Man were true." Such witness to Christ every disciple of the Master is called upon to bear.
     As the Messiah's herald, John was "much more than a prophet." For while prophets had seen from afar Christ's advent, to John it was given to behold Him, to hear the testimony from heaven to His Messiahship, and to present Him to Israel as the Sent of God. Yet Jesus said, "He that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he."
     The prophet John was the connecting link between the two dispensations. As God's representative he stood forth to show the relation of the law and the prophets to the Christian dispensation. He was the lesser light, which was to be followed by a greater. The mind of John was illuminated by the Holy Spirit, that he might shed light upon his people; but no other light ever has shone or ever will shine so clearly upon fallen man as that which emanated from the teaching and example of Jesus. Christ and His mission had been but dimly understood as typified in the shadowy sacrifices. Even John had not fully comprehended the future, immortal life through the Saviour. 
     Aside from the joy that John found in his mission, his life had been one of sorrow. His voice had been seldom heard except in the wilderness. His was a lonely lot. And he was not permitted to see the result of his own labors. It was not his privilege to be with Christ and witness the manifestation of divine power attending the greater light. It was not for him to see the blind restored to sight, the sick healed, and the dead raised to life. He did not behold the light that shone through every word of Christ, shedding glory upon the promises of prophecy. The least disciple who saw Christ's mighty works and heard His words was in this sense more highly privileged than John the Baptist, and therefore is said to have been greater than he.
     Through the vast throngs that had listened to John's preaching, his fame had spread throughout the land. A deep interest was felt as to the result of his imprisonment. Yet his blameless life, and the strong public sentiment in his favor, led to the belief that no violent measures would be taken against him. 
     Herod believed John to be a prophet of God, and he fully intended to set him at liberty. But he delayed his purpose from fear of Herodias.
     Herodias knew that by direct measures she could never win Herod's consent to the death of John, and she resolved to accomplish her purpose by stratagem. On the king's birthday an entertainment was to be given to the officers of state and the nobles of the court. There would be feasting and drunkenness. Herod would thus be thrown off his guard, and might then be influenced according to her will.
     When the great day arrived, and the king with his lords was feasting and drinking, Herodias sent her daughter into the banqueting hall to dance for the entertainment of the guests. Salome was in the first flush of womanhood, and her voluptuous beauty captivated the senses of the lordly revelers. It was not customary for the ladies of the court to appear at these festivities, and a flattering compliment was paid to Herod when this daughter of Israel's priests and princes danced for the amusement of his guests.
     The king was dazed with wine. Passion held sway, and reason was dethroned. He saw only the hall of pleasure, with its reveling guests, the banquet table, the sparkling wine and the flashing lights, and the young girl dancing before him. In the recklessness of the moment, he desired to make some display that would exalt him before the great men of his realm. With an oath he promised to give the daughter of Herodias whatever she might ask, even to the half of his kingdom.   
     Salome hastened to her mother, to know what she should ask. The answer was ready,--the head of John the Baptist. Salome knew not of the thirst for revenge in her mother's heart, and she shrank from presenting the request; but the determination of Herodias prevailed. The girl returned with the terrible petition, "I will that thou forthwith give me in a charger the head of John the Baptist." Mark 6:25, R. V.
     Herod was astonished and confounded. The riotous mirth ceased, and an ominous silence settled down upon the scene of revelry. The king was horror-stricken at the thought of taking the life of John. Yet his word was pledged, and he was unwilling to appear fickle or rash. The oath had been made in honor of his guests, and if one of them had offered a word against the fulfillment of his promise, he would gladly have spared the prophet. He gave them opportunity to speak in the prisoner's behalf. They had traveled long distances in order to hear the preaching of John, and they knew him to be a man without crime, and a servant of God. But though shocked at the girl's demand, they were too besotted to interpose a remonstrance. No voice was raised to save the life of Heaven's messenger. These men occupied high positions of trust in the nation, and upon them rested grave responsibilities; yet they had given themselves up to feasting and drunkenness until the senses were benumbed. Their heads were turned with the giddy scene of music and dancing, and conscience lay dormant. By their silence they pronounced the sentence of death upon the prophet of God to satisfy the revenge of an abandoned woman. 
     Herod waited in vain to be released from his oath; then he reluctantly commanded the execution of the prophet. Soon the head of John was brought in before the king and his guests. Forever sealed were those lips that had faithfully warned Herod to turn from his life of sin. Never more would that voice be heard calling men to repentance. The revels of one night had cost the life of one of the greatest of the prophets. 
     Oh, how often has the life of the innocent been sacrificed through the intemperance of those who should have been guardians of justice! He who puts the intoxicating cup to his lips makes himself responsible for all the injustice he may commit under its besotting power. By benumbing his senses he makes it impossible for him to judge calmly or to have a clear perception of right and wrong. He opens the way for Satan to work through him in oppressing and destroying the innocent. "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." Proverbs 20:1. Thus it is that "judgment is turned away backward, . . . and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey." Isaiah 59:14, 15. Those who have jurisdiction over the lives of their fellow men should be held guilty of a crime when they yield to intemperance. All who execute the laws should be lawkeepers. They should be men of self-control. They need to have full command of their physical, mental, and moral powers, that they may possess vigor of intellect, and a high sense of justice. 
     The head of John the Baptist was carried to Herodias, who received it with fiendish satisfaction. She exulted in her revenge, and flattered herself that Herod's conscience would no longer be troubled. But no happiness resulted to her from her sin. Her name became notorious and abhorred, while Herod was more tormented by remorse than he had been by the warnings of the prophet. The influence of John's teachings was not silenced; it was to extend to every generation till the close of time. 
     Herod's sin was ever before him. He was constantly seeking to find relief from the accusings of a guilty conscience. His confidence in John was unshaken. As he recalled his life of self-denial, his solemn, earnest appeals, his sound judgment in counsel, and then remembered how he had come to his death, Herod could find no rest. Engaged in the affairs of the state, receiving honors from men, he bore a smiling face and dignified mien, while he concealed an anxious heart, ever oppressed with the fear that a curse was upon him.
     Herod had been deeply impressed by the words of John, that nothing can be hidden from God. He was convinced that God was present in every place, that He had witnessed the revelry of the banqueting room, that He had heard the command to behead John, and had seen the exultation of Herodias, and the insult she offered to the severed head of her reprover. And many things that Herod had heard from the lips of the prophet now spoke to his conscience more distinctly than had the preaching in the wilderness.
     When Herod heard of the works of Christ, he was exceedingly troubled. He thought that God had raised John from the dead, and sent him forth with still greater power to condemn sin. He was in constant fear that John would avenge his death by passing condemnation upon him and his house. Herod was reaping that which God had declared to be the result of a course of sin,--"a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind: and thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life: in the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see." Deuteronomy 28:65-67. The sinner's own thoughts are his accusers; and there can be no torture keener than the stings of a guilty conscience, which give him no rest day nor night.
     To many minds a deep mystery surrounds the fate of John the Baptist. They question why he should have been left to languish and die in prison. The mystery of this dark providence our human vision cannot penetrate; but it can never shake our confidence in God when we remember that John was but a sharer in the sufferings of Christ. All who follow Christ will wear the crown of sacrifice. They will surely be misunderstood by selfish men, and will be made a mark for the fierce assaults of Satan. It is this principle of self-sacrifice that his kingdom is established to destroy, and he will war against it wherever manifested.
     The childhood, youth, and manhood of John had been characterized by firmness and moral power. When his voice was heard in the wilderness saying, "Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make His paths straight" (Matthew 3:3), Satan feared for the safety of his kingdom. The sinfulness of sin was revealed in such a manner that men trembled. Satan's power over many who had been under his control was broken. He had been unwearied in his efforts to draw away the Baptist from a life of unreserved surrender to God; but he had failed. And he had failed to overcome Jesus. In the temptation in the wilderness, Satan had been defeated, and his rage was great. Now he determined to bring sorrow upon Christ by striking John. The One whom he could not entice to sin he would cause to suffer.
     Jesus did not interpose to deliver His servant. He knew that John would bear the test. Gladly would the Saviour have come to John, to brighten the dungeon gloom with His own presence. But He was not to place Himself in the hands of enemies and imperil His own mission. Gladly would He have delivered His faithful servant. But for the sake of thousands who in after years must pass from prison to death, John was to drink the cup of martyrdom. As the followers of Jesus should languish in lonely cells, or perish by the sword, the rack, or the fagot, apparently forsaken by God and man, what a stay to their hearts would be the thought that John the Baptist, to whose faithfulness Christ Himself had borne witness, had passed through a similar experience! 
     Satan was permitted to cut short the earthly life of God's messenger; but that life which "is hid with Christ in God," the destroyer could not reach. Colossians 3:3. He exulted that he had brought sorrow upon Christ, but he had failed of conquering John. Death itself only placed him forever beyond the power of temptation. In this warfare, Satan was revealing his own character. Before the witnessing universe he made manifest his enmity toward God and man.
     Though no miraculous deliverance was granted John, he was not forsaken. He had always the companionship of heavenly angels, who opened to him the prophecies concerning Christ, and the precious promises of Scripture. These were his stay, as they were to be the stay of God's people through the coming ages. To John the Baptist, as to those that came after him, was given the assurance, "Lo, I am with you all the days, even unto the end." Matthew 28:20, R. V., margin. 
     God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor.

Title: The Desire of Ages-----22----- Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Kellee on September 25, 2000, 01:54:00 AM

(1) "Like the Savior's disciples, John the Baptist did not understand the nature of Christ's kingdom...He had pointed to the Messiah as the One whose fan was in His hand, and who would thoroughly purge His floor, who would gather the wheat into His garner, and burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. Like the prophet Elijah, in whose spirit and power he had come to Israel, he looked for the Lord to reveal Himself as a God that answereth by fire."

It's interesting that she says John didn't understand God's purpose, though he thought God was one who answered by fire. But truly, we never find God to be this way. O sure, there are places in the Bible where it might appear that way, but we must judge everything in the revealed light of the life of Christ. And we find no action to support the claim that God tortures those who don't follow Him. It simply is not there.

I submit we need to carefully re-examine our traditional view and belief of how God is going to handle His wicked children. When our church was first established, we denounced the long-held belief that God was going to burn wicked sinners in hell for all eternity. This was a very good and much-needed step! It helped us to understand God's character that much more. But I don't think we can leave it there. God would like us to remain progressive in our thinking!

Our entire picture of God rests on this one event. For if God cannot be trusted when dealing with His enemies, when can He be trusted? In Matthew 5, Jesus said this Himself: "If all you do is love the lovable, do you expect a bonus? Anybody can do that. If you simply say hello to those who greet you, do you expect a medal? Any run-of-the-mill sinner does that." Yes, Jesus repeatedly warned His wicked children of the consequences of their sin, but we find no action in His own life to suggest that He inflicts those consequences or inflicts torture of any kind. We must view everything in the Old Testament by the life of Christ, and we must also view everything to come in the future by the life of Christ. If the two are not reconciled, and frankly, if God doesn't come out smelling like a rose (as one man put it!), we better go back and read again!

Further quotes on this from the chapter:

"So Jesus was to do His work, not with the clash of arms and the overturning of thrones and kingdoms, but through speaking to the hearts of men by a life of mercy and self-sacrifice."

"John well knew how foreign all this was to the principles and hopes of the leaders in Israel. That which was to him convincing evidence of Christ's divinity, would be no evidence to them. They were looking for a Messiah who had not been promised."

(2) "The Savior did not at once answer the disciples' question."

Once again, God shows that He does not handle things on the basis of claims alone. He provides ample evidence for our belief in Him, nothing less. More often than not, His response to our foolish questions is "Come and See" not "Come and Hear."

(3) "But when perverted to self-serving, the greater the gift, the greater curse it becomes."

God does not withhold His good gifts only for those who are faithful to Him. This is why our faith in a person cannot be based solely upon the gifts they hold! God freely gives of His gifts to all His children, because (remember!) He is an out-of-control Giver, and He gives just as much to the wicked as to the righteous. However, the gifts to the wicked actually become curses for them because of their own choices. God is only good. He only gives good things. But we, through our power of choice, can pervert them and turn them into curses. And how dare we blame those "curses" on God!

(4) "The sinner's own thoughts are his accusers; and there can be no torture keener than the stings of a guilty conscience, which give him no rest day or night."

Perhaps herein is an example of the "weeping and gnashing of teeth" and the wicked at the end who have no rest day or night. If they have truly seen and confessed (which they will) that God has never been anything but good and fair and just, they have only themselves to blame for their eternal loss. Their own guilty conscience is their accuser. And since there can be no torture keener than that, what does God have to add? Nothing.

(5) "The One whom he [Satan] could not entice to sin, he would cause to suffer...He [Satan] exulted that he had brought sorrow upon Christ, but he had failed of conquering John. Death itself only placed him forever beyond the power of temptation."

Another great irony here. By death, Satan destroys the only avenue by which he might continue to tempt and annoy us. Sometimes we think that death is the greatest thing to be feared, but Paul said that to die is gain. Why? Because it takes us from the weariness of the world and places us in a state of readiness for the Second Coming of Christ. And to have died a martyr as well! What greater cause is there? Some fear the time of trouble, and I can't say that it's something I look forward to. We're going to see evil like we've never seen it, but I know that I would rather die than confess that God is unlike who I know Him to be. And when we have the chance to stand up and die for our Lord, I hope I will be able to laugh at my persecutors and say, "Death? Is that all? Death is my reward and I will receive it with pleasure!"

(6) "God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning."

And here is our promise for today. I don't have one thing to worry about. I don't have one thing to complain about. I don't have to look to men for approval. I don't even have to look to myself for approval. I don't have to wonder about the future. My God is with me and He is leading me. He knows the end from the beginning, and He knows not only what is best, but He knows that when I get to heaven and He says, "Well done, good and faithful servant," I will look back over my life and the ways in which He has led me and will be free to turn back to Him and say, "Well done, O Good and Faithful King!!"

Title: The Desire of Ages-----22----- Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on October 07, 2000, 08:37:00 AM

This chapter is a beatiful demontration of the power of God's grace to carry us through our sufferings. "John the Baptist had been first in heralding Christ's kingdom, and he was first also in suffering." Some Christians have never learned this truth. God does not stop Satan from hurting His children, but rather He gives them grace to accept the pain and to use their suffering for His honor and glory. This also causes great difficulty for others in that they cannot see why God would let Satan "get away" with doing such things.

God's children may rest in the knowledge that "all things work together for good to those who love Him." Satan will not only lose his war, but will in the end suffer for each sin he did and for the sins of those whom he enticed to sin. God's justice will be seen in the end. The system that God has put in place will see that all will receive according to their works done in the flesh. Satan will not "get away" with anything. A record is being kept in heaven of each sin. Satan will suffer for each sin.

We know that God is all wise and we may trust  Him as He allows our trials to come. "God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. 'Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.' Phil. 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."[/color]

There are many today who are in the middle of great trials. They may be greatly encouraged as they discern God's purpose for them in the middle of their trial.  Let me repeat this beautiful truth. "And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."   :) If this is a blessing for you, then jump ahead of us and read chapter 73. There you will find food for your soul.  :)

Title: The Desire of Ages-----22----- Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on January 20, 2003, 08:27:00 AM

Here is an important question to consider. Did John rightly understand the mission of Jesus? Did John ever learn of his error?

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on February 10, 2016, 06:42:05 AM

It was John who said "behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world", yet John did not understand the Lamb had to die. Why did the greatest of all prophets not understand the Lamb had to die?

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages-----22----- Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on May 10, 2016, 05:42:37 AM

Quote from: Richard Myers on October 07, 2000, 08:37:00 AM

This chapter is a beatiful demontration of the power of God's grace to carry us through our sufferings. "John the Baptist had been first in heralding Christ's kingdom, and he was first also in suffering." Some Christians have never learned this truth. God does not stop Satan from hurting His children, but rather He gives them grace to accept the pain and to use their suffering for His honor and glory. This also causes great difficulty for others in that they cannot see why God would let Satan "get away" with doing such things.

God's children may rest in the knowledge that "all things work together for good to those who love Him." Satan will not only lose his war, but will in the end suffer for each sin he did and for the sins of those whom he enticed to sin. God's justice will be seen in the end. The system that God has put in place will see that all will receive according to their works done in the flesh. Satan will not "get away" with anything. A record is being kept in heaven of each sin. Satan will suffer for each sin.

We know that God is all wise and we may trust  Him as He allows our trials to come. "God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. 'Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.' Phil. 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."

There are many today who are in the middle of great trials. They may be greatly encouraged as they discern God's purpose for them in the middle of their trial.  Let me repeat this beautiful truth. "And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."   :) If this is a blessing for you, then jump ahead of us and read chapter 73. There you will find food for your soul.  :)

By faith, we who suffer may be lifted above this world, and receive great joy as we labor together with God for the salvation of precious souls as did John the Baptist. As He prepared a people for the first coming of Christ, we are to prepare a people for His soon second coming. Let us glory in out tribulations. As we abide in Christ, they work for our good and God's glory. "We glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope: And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us." Romans 5:2-5.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on May 10, 2016, 05:59:35 AM

I have to "Amen" that recommendation on chapter 73, "Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled." That is one of the most profound and life-changing chapters!

As I was enjoying reading this chapter (22) again, I noticed something I had not before seen on page 216:

"But the Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ. The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,—all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One." {DA 216.3}
John would not discuss his doubts and anxieties with his companions. He determined to send a message of inquiry to Jesus. This he entrusted to two of his disciples, hoping that an interview with the Saviour would confirm their faith, and bring assurance to their brethren. And he longed for some word from Christ spoken directly for himself. {DA 216.4}
The disciples came to Jesus with their message, “Art Thou He that should come, or do we look for another?” {DA 216.5}
How short the time since the Baptist had pointed to Jesus, and proclaimed, “Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” “He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me.” John 1:29, 27. And now the question, “Art Thou He that should come?” It was keenly bitter and disappointing to human nature. If John, the faithful forerunner, failed to discern Christ's mission, what could be expected from the self-seeking multitude? {DA 216.6}

What stands out from these four paragraphs is that John Himself did not actually doubt that Jesus was the Christ--for John "did not surrender his faith in Christ" (though, as you pointed out Richard, since John did not understand clearly the nature of Christ's mission, it seems hard to fully grasp the extent of John's "faith"--whether it was just in Jesus as the person being the Messiah, as it is clear that John did not fully grasp what the work/mission of the Messiah would fully be. I was fascinated that Ellen White points out that as John sent his disciples to go to Jesus, it was actually to "confirm THEIR FAITH"--but John also was wanting a message for himself. It is interesting how John handled the difficult trial. Easily he could have greatly hindered Christ's mission by entertaining open doubts--but I am reminded of the blessed counsel in Steps to Christ, page 119, paragraph 3: "Make it a rule never to utter one word of doubt or discouragement." By not opening his mouth to the temptations of Satan, and actually pointing his disciples to Jesus to go and see/ask what the Jesus Himself was doing, it provided a way for both the disciples and John to be strengthened.

We are human, liable to error, and in constant need of Jesus. John the Baptist was no different. We would expect more from him, but we need to remember how weak and frail we ourselves are. Let us rejoice that Jesus loves to have us come to Him with all our perplexities and difficulties, in the midst of sorrow and affliction, and trust that He also has a message for us (which again and again is going to be for us to "look and live!"--to keep our eyes upon Jesus--and that "by beholding we become changed"--and that as we do, and surrender fully to Christ, the fruits of the Spirit will be seen in our lives--not one will be missing). It is as we contemplate the character of God as revealed in Christ that we more fully discern His mission and the sacrifice that was necessary to save us from sin.

Only God fully knows what John's last thoughts were before he was beheaded. But we can thank God that suffering--one of the most despised experiences to the selfish, carnal heart, can actually be the greatest privilege in binding our hearts to the suffering heart of our God of infinite love who paid the greatest price of suffering at the Cross of Calvary--and in the whole plan of redemption. For eternity we will study it, it will be our science and our song, but it is deeper and greater than we can ever fully know. But as we enter into that fellowship of suffering, God is changing us to have more of His perspective--and to in some degree reflect more and more fully the loveliness of Jesus to a world that does not know His tender, pitying love. Long-suffering is the essence of divine love!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on May 10, 2016, 06:55:09 AM

Amen, Pastor Sean! God will allow us to have doubts, but what will we do with them? Do we refuse to submit to them? Or do we yield up the truth? John was perplexed because Jesus was not the "Lion" of the tribe of Judah. But, neither was John. He was a living the same life as Jesus, one of loneliness and self abnegation. But, along with the nation, he had been decieved about the role of Christ. He did not know the Lamb had to die. Such a deception upon such a great prophet. We need to understand this is a warning for us today. Satan has not been sleeping for the last 2,000 years. What deceptions has he brought into our time?

Why did Jesus reprove John? God has given us much light, and as we prayerfully study it, there will be great blessings for us.

Quote from: Sean on May 10, 2016, 05:59:35 AM

Only God fully knows what John's last thoughts were before he was beheaded. But we can thank God that suffering--one of the most despised experiences to the selfish, carnal heart, can actually be the greatest privilege in binding our hearts to the suffering heart of our God of infinite love who paid the greatest price of suffering at the Cross of Calvary--and in the whole plan of redemption.

The "last thoughts of John."  :)  I like to think they were similar to those of Stephen who was also martyred for his faith. We know this: "The Saviour's words, 'Blessed is he, whosoever shall find none occasion of stumbling in Me,' were a gentle reproof to John. It was not lost upon him. Understanding more clearly now the nature of Christ's mission, he yielded himself to God for life or for death, as should best serve the interests of the cause he loved."  

Are we prepared for either life or death? Do we understand "And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on May 10, 2016, 06:58:02 AM

As I was considering the "doubts" of John, my mind was led to another truth. I went searching for it, thinking it would be a blessing for others. John was not looking for any "hooks" to hang his doubts on. He was perplexed, but maintained his trust in Jesus. His question to Jesus was not good. But, this did not reveal a lack of trust, but a lack of understanding.

While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light….
 
There is but one course for those to pursue who honestly desire to be freed from doubts. Instead of questioning and caviling concerning that which they do not understand, let them give heed to the light which already shines upon them, and they will receive greater light. Let them do every duty which has been made plain to their understanding, and they will be enabled to understand and perform those of which they are now in doubt. 

Satan can present a counterfeit so closely resembling the truth that it deceives those who are willing to be deceived, who desire to shun the self-denial and sacrifice demanded by the truth; but it is impossible for him to hold under his power one soul who honestly desires, at whatever cost, to know the truth. Christ is the truth and the "Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." John 1:9. The Spirit of truth has been sent to guide men into all truth. And upon the authority of the Son of God it is declared: "Seek, and ye shall find." "If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine." Matthew 7:7; John 7:17. DD 12.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on August 05, 2016, 07:29:57 AM

Popular belief and deception can have such a strong effect upon God's people. We see this even in the case of John the Baptist:

Like the Saviour's disciples, John the Baptist did not understand the nature of Christ's kingdom. He expected Jesus to take the throne of David; and as time passed, and the Saviour made no claim to kingly authority, John became perplexed and troubled. He had declared to the people that in order for the way to be prepared before the Lord, the prophecy of Isaiah must be fulfilled; the mountains and hills must be brought low, the crooked made straight, and the rough places plain. He had looked for the high places of human pride and power to be cast down. He had pointed to the Messiah as the One whose fan was in His hand, and who would thoroughly purge His floor, who would gather the wheat into His garner, and burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. Like the prophet Elijah, in whose spirit and power he had come to Israel, he looked for the Lord to reveal Himself as a God that answereth by fire. 

May we prayerfully search the Scriptures and the Spirit of Prophecy that we also be not deceived by a false conception of the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Godhead who is working mightily in this time.

Some believe that the Holy Spirit's mission is to give people freedom to follow "impressions" or false interpretations of Scripture over the plain statements of the word of God. This is even happening in the Seventh-day Adventist Church. But the work of the Holy Spirit is to lead us to have a Christ-like character in harmony with God's word, so that "all the fruits of the Spirit will be seen in the life; not one will be missing" {DA 676.4}. Look to Jesus, and let His Spirit guide into all truth.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on August 06, 2016, 08:31:45 AM

Amen, Pastor Sean!

Because of the apostasy and false teachings in Israel, John, a holy man, was "perplexed and troubled."  To what degree was Satan troubling him?  "There were hours when the whisperings of demons tortured his spirit, and the shadow of a terrible fear crept over him. Could it be that the long-hoped-for Deliverer had not yet appeared? Then what meant the message that he himself had been impelled to bear? John had been bitterly disappointed in the result of his mission. He had expected that the message from God would have the same effect as when the law was read in the days of Josiah and of Ezra (2 Chronicles 34; Nehemiah 8, 9); that there would follow a deep-seated work of repentance and returning unto the Lord. For the success of this mission his whole life had been sacrificed. Had it been in vain?" 

This was a holy man who was chosen to prepare the people for the coming of Christ. This is what Satan was doing to John. How is it today? Are there similar deceptions for those who are to prepare a people for the second coming of Christ? Absolutely, except Satan has had 2,000 years to plan for our day. This is why we are still on this earth. The deceptions in the church are greater now than then. The deceptions are so great, the church as a whole believes it is "rich and increased with goods, and in need of nothing."  But, that is not the case. We are in a continual need of Jesus and do not know it. Most believe they can sin a known sin and still have Jesus. Such a deception! 

Jesus stands at the door of many hearts, knocking, wanting in. Open the door.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on October 31, 2016, 08:52:00 AM

As we study the Book of Job in our Sabbath Schools this quarter, let us keep in mind what we have studied in the rest of the Bible. Suffering is the life of the true believer. Jesus tells us to pick up our cross and follow Him. And, we know we ought not think it strange when fiery trials come upon us. And, as we abide in Christ and He in us, "we glory in our tribulations" for they work for our good and God's glory. While many have read these truths, many also have not experienced them from a converted Christian's position. Therefor, they cannot appreciate the Book of Job, and readily accept the lie that Job did not sin.

In today's reading, the chapter opens with this: "John the Baptist had been first in heralding Christ's kingdom, and he was first also in suffering." How are we to take this? It will be taken differently by different people. Some will be horrified, others blessed to understand that there was no greater prophet than John, and Satan was allowed to cause him great pain in order to hurt Jesus. But, John did not complain as did Job. His mind began to wander, but by God's grace his lack of understanding the mission of Christ did not cause him to complain about his situation.

   Satan was permitted to cut short the earthly life of God's messenger; but that life which "is hid with Christ in God," the destroyer could not reach. Colossians 3:3. He exulted that he had brought sorrow upon Christ, but he had failed of conquering John. Death itself only placed him forever beyond the power of temptation. In this warfare, Satan was revealing his own character. Before the witnessing universe he made manifest his enmity toward God and man.

     Though no miraculous deliverance was granted John, he was not forsaken. He had always the companionship of heavenly angels, who opened to him the prophecies concerning Christ, and the precious promises of Scripture. These were his stay, as they were to be the stay of God's people through the coming ages. To John the Baptist, as to those that came after him, was given the assurance, "Lo, I am with you all the days, even unto the end." Matthew 28:20, R. V., margin.
     God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor.

As we study the Book of Job, let us not be as those who have had great light and are not walking in it, but let us remember and take advantage of knowing that "of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on October 31, 2016, 10:24:50 AM

Amen, Richard!

Only when we are abiding in Christ can we truly see suffering in the way God sees it--the value of fellowship with Christ in His kingdom that is not aligned with the principles of this world. It is Christ's kingdom that awakens persecution because it calls to repentance, and turning from sin.

 The principle of the Baptist's own life of self-abnegation was the principle of the Messiah's kingdom. John well knew how foreign all this was to the principles and hopes of the leaders in Israel. That which was to him convincing evidence of Christ's divinity would be no evidence to them. They were looking for a Messiah who had not been promised. John saw that the Saviour's mission could win from them only hatred and condemnation. He, the forerunner, was but drinking of the cup which Christ Himself must drain to its dregs.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on January 26, 2017, 07:31:23 AM

Amen, Pastor Sean.  When we love Jesus with the whole heart, it is then that the world will understand there is a God in heaven. Those whose hearts are hard will not appreciate the example of Christ in man. And, it is not only wicked and unrepentant man that will persecute the converted Christian, but the father of lies will turn his attention to those who he is fast losing to his cause. So it was with John the Baptist, and so it will be with those who turn away from sin and become slaves to Christ. They will glory in their tribulation, knowing it will bring honor and glory to God and patience and experience in their own lives. Do we want to be witnesses for Christ? Will we understand why we are left on this earth after we are converted?

 God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor.

Even the "baby Christian" such as the thief on the cross is willing. Are we? If not, why not?

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: JimB on January 26, 2017, 10:07:10 AM

Quote from: Richard Myers on January 26, 2017, 07:31:23 AM

And, it is not only wicked and unrepentant man that will persecute the converted Christian, but the father of lies will turn his attention to those who he is fast losing to his cause. So it was with John the Baptist, and so it will be with those who turn away from sin and become slaves to Christ.

Richard, what you're saying immediately took my mind to the following verse. If Christ was persecuted so will be His followers.


John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on January 26, 2017, 11:21:49 AM

Amen, Richard and Jim! When we realize what heaven values--love and purity--and that trials are for our best that these attributes may be deepened in our experience, we will be thankful that God lovingly leads us through trial and tribulation.

I appreciated the revelation of Jesus in our reading today as concerns how John could come to discern more clearly the character of the Messiah:

  Thus the day wore away, the disciples of John seeing and hearing all. At last Jesus called them to Him, and bade them go and tell John what they had witnessed, adding, "Blessed is he, whosoever shall find none occasion of stumbling in Me." Luke 7:23, R. V. The evidence of His divinity was seen in its adaptation to the needs of suffering humanity. His glory was shown in His condescension to our low estate.

Divinity is high and exalted in holiness, but also infinitely condescending--what a picture to contemplate of Christ, who, though the King of Heaven, reveals His glory in uplifting the suffering and poor to experience transforming grace and healing love! Praise the Lord for such a Savior!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on April 23, 2017, 07:05:36 AM

     The life of John had been one of active labor, and the gloom and inaction of his prison life weighed heavily upon him. As week after week passed, bringing no change, despondency and doubt crept over him. His disciples did not forsake him. They were allowed access to the prison, and they brought him tidings of the works of Jesus, and told how the people were flocking to Him. But they questioned why, if this new teacher was the Messiah, He did nothing to effect John's release. How could He permit His faithful herald to be deprived of liberty and perhaps of life?
     These questions were not without effect. Doubts which otherwise would never have arisen were suggested to John. Satan rejoiced to hear the words of these disciples, and to see how they bruised the soul of the Lord's messenger. Oh, how often those who think themselves the friends of a good man, and who are eager to show their fidelity to him, prove to be his most dangerous enemies! How often, instead of strengthening his faith, their words depress and dishearten!
     Like the Saviour's disciples, John the Baptist did not understand the nature of Christ's kingdom. He expected Jesus to take the throne of David; and as time passed, and the Saviour made no claim to kingly authority, John became perplexed and troubled.

There is a fine lesson to learn in the depression John experienced. It is true John was faced with doubting Jesus, but he did not. His faith failed not. His disciples were used to present him with the temptation, but while he did not understand the mission of Christ, he did not doubt Christ.

     After the messengers had departed, Jesus spoke to the people concerning John. The Saviour's heart went out in sympathy to the faithful witness now buried in Herod's dungeon. He would not leave the people to conclude that God had forsaken John, or that his faith had failed in the day of trial. 

His faith did not fail.

     The Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ. The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,--all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on April 23, 2017, 07:56:44 AM

Amen, Richard! This is a deep truth that our chapter pointed out as concerns how John's faith did not fail. I was moved to see a corollary to this further in the chapter:

   The childhood, youth, and manhood of John had been characterized by firmness and moral power. When his voice was heard in the wilderness saying, "Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make His paths straight" (Matthew 3:3), Satan feared for the safety of his kingdom. The sinfulness of sin was revealed in such a manner that men trembled. Satan's power over many who had been under his control was broken. He had been unwearied in his efforts to draw away the Baptist from a life of unreserved surrender to God; but he had failed. And he had failed to overcome Jesus. In the temptation in the wilderness, Satan had been defeated, and his rage was great. Now he determined to bring sorrow upon Christ by striking John. The One whom he could not entice to sin he would cause to suffer.
     Jesus did not interpose to deliver His servant. He knew that John would bear the test. Gladly would the Saviour have come to John, to brighten the dungeon gloom with His own presence. But He was not to place Himself in the hands of enemies and imperil His own mission. Gladly would He have delivered His faithful servant. But for the sake of thousands who in after years must pass from prison to death, John was to drink the cup of martyrdom. As the followers of Jesus should languish in lonely cells, or perish by the sword, the rack, or the fagot, apparently forsaken by God and man, what a stay to their hearts would be the thought that John the Baptist, to whose faithfulness Christ Himself had borne witness, had passed through a similar experience! 

As I was reading this, the Holy Spirit impressed my mind with a Bible truth about suffering: "Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution" (2 Timothy 3:12). Why was John permitted to suffer so keenly? For the very reason that He WOULD NOT YIELD HIS FAITH, and SIN AGAINST GOD! If Satan cannot get us to separate from Christ by leadings us into sin, then He will try to lead us to murmur or doubt God, and deny our faith when we suffer for being a self-denying disciple of Jesus.

The truths that this chapter brings out leads us to another question. Why does persecution seem to slumber to such a great degree at the present time? Could it be that Laodicean condition awakens no great threat to Satan's kingdom, unlike the fearless reproof of sin that was borne by Jesus and John the Baptist? Let us see an inspired answer:

There is another and more important question that should engage the attention of the churches of today. The apostle Paul declares that "all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." 2 Timothy 3:12. Why is it, then, that persecution seems in a great degree to slumber? The only reason is that the church has conformed to the world's standard and therefore awakens no opposition. The religion which is current in our day is not of the pure and holy character that marked the Christian faith in the days of Christ and His apostles. It is only because of the spirit of compromise with sin, because the great truths of the word of God are so indifferently regarded, because there is so little vital godliness in the church, that Christianity is apparently so popular with the world. Let there be a revival of the faith and power of the early church, and the spirit of persecution will be revived, and the fires of persecution will be rekindled. {GC 48.3}

Let us pray that our lives, too, by beholding the loveliness of Jesus and applying the truths of His word, may be characterized by firmness and power, so that sin will not be tolerated in our lives and we will lovingly and faithfully reprove sin as the Spirit gives us utterance.

"We have nothing to fear for the future, except as we shall forget the way the Lord has led us, and His teaching in our past history." {Life Sketches, page 196, paragraph 2}

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: JimB on July 19, 2017, 05:08:51 AM

God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him.]

Here is a wonderful promise that should encourage all to make sure they are being led by the Spirit. In knowing this we know that God will be will with us at every step!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on July 19, 2017, 06:19:56 AM

Amen, Jim!  Thus, we can glory in our tribulation knowing it will work for God's glory and our salvation. God will not allow us to be tempted beyond what we can bear. When we by God's grace enter heaven, we will learn why God allowed the trials to come. We then shall be thankful that God did indeed lead us in the very best way and our trials were for our good and the good of others.

We come into the world in need of a change in nature. This we will receive when the Holy Spirit is allowed to come into our hearts. He will cleanse the heart and make it pure and holy with His presence. We will then be partakers of the divine nature while still living in fallen flesh (2 Peter 1:4).

    John had been called to reprove the sins and excesses of his time, and his plain dress and self-denying life were in harmony with the character of his mission. Rich apparel and the luxuries of this life are not the portion of God's servants, but of those who live "in kings' courts," the rulers of this world, to whom pertain its power and its riches. Jesus wished to direct attention to the contrast between the clothing of John, and that worn by the priests and rulers. These officials arrayed themselves in rich robes and costly ornaments. They loved display, and hoped to dazzle the people, and thus command greater consideration. They were more anxious to gain the admiration of men than to obtain the purity of heart which would win the approval of God. Thus they revealed that their allegiance was not given to God, but to the kingdom of this world......

     In the estimation of Heaven, what is it that constitutes greatness? Not that which the world accounts greatness; not wealth, or rank, or noble descent, or intellectual gifts, in themselves considered. If intellectual greatness, apart from any higher consideration, is worthy of honor, then our homage is due to Satan, whose intellectual power no man has ever equaled. But when perverted to self-serving, the greater the gift, the greater curse it becomes. It is moral worth that God values. Love and purity are the attributes He prizes most. John was great in the sight of the Lord, when, before the messengers from the Sanhedrin, before the people, and before his own disciples, he refrained from seeking honor for himself, but pointed all to Jesus as the Promised One. His unselfish joy in the ministry of Christ presents the highest type of nobility ever revealed in man.     

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on July 19, 2017, 10:50:29 AM

Amen, Jim and Richard! What a marvelous revelation of the loveliness of Jesus we see wrought out in John the Baptist's life! What an encouragement that we get to be partakers of "the highest honor" when we suffer joyfully, bearing all the fruits of the Spirit without one missing, knowing that it is for our good and the eternal glory of God in sealing the universe from the risk of sin ever arising again! May we surrender our lives for life or for death as shall best serve God's cause, knowing that we as abiding believers are on the verge of the Time of Trouble such as never was--not as a curse, but as a final "touch up" before we enter heaven!!!

   God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on July 20, 2017, 06:13:17 PM

Amen!!  All things work together for good to those who love God supremely. "All things, even the death of John and Stephen.

Herod believed John to be a prophet of God,

Amazing! Herold believed, but killed him anyway!!   Likewise, some who "believe" will crucify Christ afresh.  But, not if we love Jesus with all the heart!!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: JimB on October 14, 2017, 05:27:20 AM

Like the Saviour's disciples, John the Baptist did not understand the nature of Christ's kingdom. He expected Jesus to take the throne of David; and as time passed, and the Saviour made no claim to kingly authority, John became perplexed and troubled. He had declared to the people that in order for the way to be prepared before the Lord, the prophecy of Isaiah must be fulfilled; the mountains and hills must be brought low, the crooked made straight, and the rough places plain. He had looked for the high places of human pride and power to be cast down. He had pointed to the Messiah as the One whose fan was in His hand, and who would thoroughly purge His floor, who would gather the wheat into His garner, and burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. Like the prophet Elijah, in whose spirit and power he had come to Israel, he looked for the Lord to reveal Himself as a God that answereth by fire.

I remember how surprised I was the first time read this. I thought to myself of all the people who should understand Christ's kingdom it should be John, Christ's forerunner. John didn't attend the religious schools of the day so where did this influence come from? It could only be from society at large. Everyone believed a certain way so it was probably never questioned. When I think about this and apply it personally I can't help but wonder how the current culture in the church as influenced me in a wrong direction. May the Lord give us eye salve and correct our vision.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on October 14, 2017, 05:36:32 AM

Amen, Jim! We are in a state of needing Jesus CONTINUALLY that we would not be led astray by culture or even our own understanding. If we are daily beholding Jesus, though, and letting His character be impressed upon our hearts and minds continually, then we can be encouraged to know that He is helping us appreciate and grasp His mission and character. John did not surrender His faith, even though He did not understand. But God will have a people alive on earth before He comes who do understand, who understand Christ experientially in a way that His people can fittingly be called the Lamb's wife, "for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and His wife hath made herself ready" (Revelation 19:7). We will enter into an experience of oneness with Christ by faith that allows us to understand His heart of love that gave all to save the lost. We may have perfection of character through a full-heart surrender, a surrender that is to be continued until the character of Christ is perfectly reproduced in us. There are so many precious lessons to learn from our reading today, and I am glad that we are given the marvelous revelation of Jesus in the Bible and in The Desire of Ages, that we can learn of Him.

I am so thankful that Jesus leads our lives when we are fully surrendered to Him. We no longer have to worry about the future, because it is not in our hands what will happen--we are consecrated to God so He can use us in whatever way is best. If we suffer for being a Christian, let us remember the blessing that this is as we come into fellowship with Christ in His sufferings, as did John the Baptist. As we remember He has promised to be with us, we will find hope and courage. May His presence continually abide with you today in doing His perfect, holy will. Let Him lead, and you will be so thankful that His way is best.

 "Though no miraculous deliverance was granted John, he was not forsaken. He had always the companionship of heavenly angels, who opened to him the prophecies concerning Christ, and the precious promises of Scripture. These were his stay, as they were to be the stay of God's people through the coming ages. To John the Baptist, as to those that came after him, was given the assurance, 'Lo, I am with you all the days, even unto the end.' Matthew 28:20, R. V., margin."  {The Desire of Ages, page 224, paragraph 4}
     "God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. 'Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.' Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor." {The Desire of Ages, page 224, paragraph 5}

When we really believe that it is a great gift to enter into fellowship with Christ in His sufferings, we shall covet toil and sacrifice for HIs sake, that others may come to know of the loveliness of Jesus. We shall not shrink back from the coming trials to come upon our world (or even our day-to-day trials), but will praise God that He is letting us go through an experience that is preparing us to live for eternity with Him in heaven--a place where only unselfishness reigns. Today, thought a full-heart surrender to Christ, we also may have His self-sacrificing love in us--what a miracle!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on October 14, 2017, 08:53:53 AM

Amen, Pastor Sean! "'Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.' Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."

Things in the world are often the opposite of God's ways. Satan has done a masterful job of perverting the truth. Who wants to suffer? No one wants to suffer. Who likes pain! But, when we suffer on account of our faith, we understand it is for our good and God's glory if we will abide in Christ. Why did John have to die such a violent death at such an early age? We may not understand such things, but we can know that God is in absolute control, so there must be a good reason. There is at least one very good reason. Because God loves us. Some of us will die and not be translated. Some of us will end up in dungeons. Because of God's love for John the Baptist, and because he was a great man of God, it will encourage all who follow in his path that God knows their trial and John went  before them. He was an example of those who will die such a death.

     Jesus did not interpose to deliver His servant. He knew that John would bear the test. Gladly would the Saviour have come to John, to brighten the dungeon gloom with His own presence. But He was not to place Himself in the hands of enemies and imperil His own mission. Gladly would He have delivered His faithful servant. But for the sake of thousands who in after years must pass from prison to death, John was to drink the cup of martyrdom. As the followers of Jesus should languish in lonely cells, or perish by the sword, the rack, or the fagot, apparently forsaken by God and man, what a stay to their hearts would be the thought that John the Baptist, to whose faithfulness Christ Himself had borne witness, had passed through a similar experience!
     Satan was permitted to cut short the earthly life of God's messenger; but that life which "is hid with Christ in God," the destroyer could not reach. Colossians 3:3. He exulted that he had brought sorrow upon Christ, but he had failed of conquering John. Death itself only placed him forever beyond the power of temptation. In this warfare, Satan was revealing his own character. Before the witnessing universe he made manifest his enmity toward God and man.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on January 09, 2018, 06:06:02 AM

There is an important lesson for us today in our reading. The light continues to shine brighter today than yesterday. Prophets do not understand everything. Even if they have been given great light, they may not understand that light. It may be for another day. Do we not see this in some of the prophecies presented to Daniel the Prophet?

Jesus tells us that none were greater than John the Baptist. But, that does not mean John understood all he was sharing. Remember when he introduced Jesus to Israel "Behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world"? The Lamb that had to die. Like the disciples John did not know all of those lambs being sacrificed, truly represented the death of their Messiah. How amazing is this!

     Like the Saviour's disciples, John the Baptist did not understand the nature of Christ's kingdom. He expected Jesus to take the throne of David; and as time passed, and the Saviour made no claim to kingly authority, John became perplexed and troubled. He had declared to the people that in order for the way to be prepared before the Lord, the prophecy of Isaiah must be fulfilled; the mountains and hills must be brought low, the crooked made straight, and the rough places plain. He had looked for the high places of human pride and power to be cast down. He had pointed to the Messiah as the One whose fan was in His hand, and who would thoroughly purge His floor, who would gather the wheat into His garner, and burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. Like the prophet Elijah, in whose spirit and power he had come to Israel, he looked for the Lord to reveal Himself as a God that answereth by fire.
     In his mission the Baptist had stood as a fearless reprover of iniquity, both in high places and in low. He had dared to face King Herod with the plain rebuke of sin. He had not counted his life dear unto himself, that he might fulfill his appointed work. And now from his dungeon he watched for the Lion of the tribe of Judah to cast down the pride of the oppressor, and to deliver the poor and him that cried. But Jesus seemed to content Himself with gathering disciples about Him, and healing and teaching the people. He was eating at the tables of the publicans, while every day the Roman yoke rested more heavily upon Israel, while King Herod and his vile paramour worked their will, and the cries of the poor and suffering went up to heaven.
     To the desert prophet all this seemed a mystery beyond his fathoming. There were hours when the whisperings of demons tortured his spirit, and the shadow of a terrible fear crept over him. Could it be that the long-hoped-for Deliverer had not yet appeared? Then what meant the message that he himself had been impelled to bear? John had been bitterly disappointed in the result of his mission. He had expected that the message from God would have the same effect as when the law was read in the days of Josiah and of Ezra (2 Chronicles 34; Nehemiah 8, 9); that there would follow a deep-seated work of repentance and returning unto the Lord. For the success of this mission his whole life had been sacrificed. Had it been in vain?
     John was troubled to see that through love for him, his own disciples were cherishing unbelief in regard to Jesus. Had his work for them been fruitless? Had he been unfaithful in his mission, that he was now cut off from labor? If the promised Deliverer had appeared, and John had been found true to his calling, would not Jesus now overthrow the oppressor's power, and set free His herald?   

What is the lesson for us today?

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on January 09, 2018, 06:26:54 AM

Today many do not realize that we, like Jesus, the Lamb of God, must die (not necessarily physically, but in a spiritual sense--see Galatians 2:20). Self must die, and only those who consent to have all brought into conformity to God's will in their life because they behold the loveliness of Jesus and are motivated to make that full surrender will be able to enter into the kingdom of God when Jesus returns in power and glory so soon. Many are looking forward to Jesus to come who are as unprepared for His return as were the Jews when Jesus walked the earth. If self is alive, then we have not His Spirit abiding in the heart by faith, and we are none of His (Romans 8:9). We need Jesus abiding in our hearts continually so that all of the fruits of the Spirit will be seen in our lives, not one will be missing, and we will gladly follow all the light of God's law that is revealed to us because we love Him, for God is love. God desires to develop in us true moral worth.

"Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist." In the announcement to Zacharias before the birth of John, the angel had declared, "He shall be great in the sight of the Lord." Luke 1:15. In the estimation of Heaven, what is it that constitutes greatness? Not that which the world accounts greatness; not wealth, or rank, or noble descent, or intellectual gifts, in themselves considered. If intellectual greatness, apart from any higher consideration, is worthy of honor, then our homage is due to Satan, whose intellectual power no man has ever equaled. But when perverted to self-serving, the greater the gift, the greater curse it becomes. It is moral worth that God values. Love and purity are the attributes He prizes most. John was great in the sight of the Lord, when, before the messengers from the Sanhedrin, before the people, and before his own disciples, he refrained from seeking honor for himself, but pointed all to Jesus as the Promised One. His unselfish joy in the ministry of Christ presents the highest type of nobility ever revealed in man. {The Desire of Ages, page 219, paragraph 3}

May the moral worth of Jesus be seen in our lives as we look to Him and allow His character to be wrought out in our lives.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: JimB on April 06, 2018, 05:48:44 AM

To the desert prophet all this seemed a mystery beyond his fathoming. There were hours when the whisperings of demons tortured his spirit, and the shadow of a terrible fear crept over him. Could it be that the long-hoped-for Deliverer had not yet appeared? Then what meant the message that he himself had been impelled to bear? John had been bitterly disappointed in the result of his mission. He had expected that the message from God would have the same effect as when the law was read in the days of Josiah and of Ezra (2 Chronicles 34; Nehemiah 8, 9); that there would follow a deep-seated work of repentance and returning unto the Lord. For the success of this mission his whole life had been sacrificed. Had it been in vain?
     John was troubled to see that through love for him, his own disciples were cherishing unbelief in regard to Jesus. Had his work for them been fruitless? Had he been unfaithful in his mission, that he was now cut off from labor? If the promised Deliverer had appeared, and John had been found true to his calling, would not Jesus now overthrow the oppressor's power, and set free His herald? 

To me it's interesting to see how that John was faithful. Not only to his calling but also to Christ. He was faithfully doing his part. Yet he was troubled. Why? Because he didn't fully understand the nature of Christ's mission and demons took advantage of this to try and fill his soul with doubts. He also was troubled by the seemingly lack of fruit in the fruit of his mission. Things would have been much easier for him had he truly understood Christ's mission. To me this is an important lesson that some of our troubles and temptation might be from our own misconception/s and beliefs. Especially misconceptions about the nature of God's character. How important it is in our personal Bible study to always have the attitude of the student rather than the teacher.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on April 06, 2018, 06:02:13 AM

Amen, Jim! The more clearly we discern the nature of the character of God and the mission of Christ, which by extension guides us to understand our mission, the more fully we will realize Christ's promise that His yoke is easy and His burden is light, because His loveliness of character sustains us amid comprehending His purposes step by step heavenward.

"To many minds a deep mystery surrounds the fate of John the Baptist. They question why he should have been left to languish and die in prison. The mystery of this dark providence our human vision cannot penetrate; but it can never shake our confidence in God when we remember that John was but a sharer in the sufferings of Christ. All who follow Christ will wear the crown of sacrifice. They will surely be misunderstood by selfish men, and will be made a mark for the fierce assaults of Satan. It is this principle of self-sacrifice that his kingdom is established to destroy, and he will war against it wherever manifested." {The Desire of Ages, page 223, paragraph 4}

When there are chapters in our life experience that we do not fully understand, we are not to let them shake our faith, but deepen our walk with Christ. We can come to Christ with all the perplexities and difficulties through which we are passing, give Him everything that is on our hearts, and see from Scripture times when others, like John the Baptist, keenly suffered as they were faithful to God. Suffering is not the thing most to be feared in the kingdom of God--rather, it is unfaithfulness. Let us behold Jesus and trust His providential leading in our lives through all seasons of experience, and we shall come forth with a richer faith a deeper experience in knowing God and Jesus Christ whom He sent to save us to the uttermost. Praise God! 

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Dorine on April 06, 2018, 06:58:01 AM

"Though no miraculous deliverance was granted John, he was not forsaken. He had always the companionship of heavenly angels, who opened to him the prophecies concerning Christ, and the precious promises of Scripture. These were his stay, as they were to be the stay of God's people through the coming ages. To John the Baptist, as to those that came after him, was given the assurance, "Lo, I am with you all the days, even unto the end." Matthew 28:20, R. V., margin."

In the days ahead we will need to cling to the story of John and the promise that Christ will never leave or forsake us no matter how the circumstances look.  We may not now relate to the persecution to come to God's people but come it will. How important it is for us to be fortifying our minds with God's word so that we too will be comforted and anchored in Christ. Not just for the tomorrow's but for today as we meet the temptations and challenges this day will bring.

     "God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. .........."Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."

When days are difficult and I am tempted to be discouraged this paragraph lifts my spirits and brings a happy peace to my heart.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on April 06, 2018, 07:34:24 AM

Amen, dear Sister!  It is a blessing to be disciples of Jesus. We glory in our difficulties having been told they work for our good and His glory if we will believe. Not the "believe" of so many who think  they are eternally saved even when sinning, but believing when by faith we know in whom we believe and trust Him with all the heart. To whom much is given, much is expected. We have been entrusted with these most precious truths. Shall we allow "unbelief" to cloud our vision, or shall we march onward no matter what we see with our human eyes? Today is the day of salvation, today what we do will decide tomorrow.

As Jim has shared, we need to be good students that Satan's deceptions might not take hold in our minds. But, if we do not rightly understand something, John is our example in that  we move forward by faith in our Savior, knowing He is leading us. Jesus allowed John to suffer and die, knowing he would not be tempted beyond what he could bear. His example will encourage many in our day as persecution again rears its nasty head.

      Jesus did not interpose to deliver His servant. He knew that John would bear the test. Gladly would the Saviour have come to John, to brighten the dungeon gloom with His own presence. But He was not to place Himself in the hands of enemies and imperil His own mission. Gladly would He have delivered His faithful servant. But for the sake of thousands who in after years must pass from prison to death, John was to drink the cup of martyrdom. As the followers of Jesus should languish in lonely cells, or perish by the sword, the rack, or the fagot, apparently forsaken by God and man, what a stay to their hearts would be the thought that John the Baptist, to whose faithfulness Christ Himself had borne witness, had passed through a similar experience!   

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on July 02, 2018, 05:12:59 AM

There are times when we may desire a miraculous deliverance, or pray for a certain outcome. But when God leads and allows our lives to go in a certain direction, as in the case of John the Baptist who perished alone in the dungeon, let us not look at our circumstances as evidence of whether God is with us. God is with us because He has promised through His word, and He only guides us in the way that is best. The greatest miracle in our trying circumstances is how God can manifest through the converted Christian all of the fruits of the Sprit without one missing, and the witness before the world and the onlooking universe is one that reveals the power of grace to keep us from murmuring or complaining, to keep us from falling into sin, no matter how strong the temptation. God is so faithful.

"Though no miraculous deliverance was granted John, he was not forsaken. He had always the companionship of heavenly angels, who opened to him the prophecies concerning Christ, and the precious promises of Scripture. These were his stay, as they were to be the stay of God's people through the coming ages. To John the Baptist, as to those that came after him, was given the assurance, 'Lo, I am with you all the days, even unto the end.' Matthew 28:20, R. V., margin." {The Desire of Ages, page 224, paragraph 4}

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: JimB on September 27, 2018, 06:40:18 AM

Even John had not fully comprehended the future, immortal life through the Saviour. 

I had not noticed this statement before. This tells me he wasn't in this for hope of reward or fear of punishment. These may be starting places for people but if either become our focus we have our eyes focused on the wrong thing. Christ is the one altogether lovely!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on September 27, 2018, 07:44:20 AM

Amen, Jim.  John was fully surrendered to God and was living for Him. He was mistaught much, and it caused difficulties for Him. He did not know Jesus would die for the sins of the world. He thought He was going to sit on an earthly throne. But, his heart was pure and holy because He love the Lord His God with the whole heart. Like Job, what ever God did was right. May we be so thoroughly committed that we too have such a strong faith.

John suffered greatly when in the dungeon. But, his faith lifted him above the ordeal. As with other chapters we read daily, there are certain truths that are vital to our happiness. We find one such truth at the close of today's reading.

     God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor.

This is an unwelcome mystery to many. But, it ought not be to us who have been entrusted with such great light. We are to glory in our trials for when we are in Christ Jesus they work for our good and for the glory of God. Romans chapter five tells us that our tribulation gives us more patience and an experience that prepares us for what is coming upon us and the world. It also tells us that during these trials we are witnesses for Jesus in that our love is revealed to all who see us suffering for our faith and our Savior.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on September 28, 2018, 04:48:22 AM

The principle of self-sacrificing love, or selfless service, is the very nature of God and His kingdom. As we reflect on the way that John the Baptist suffered and died alone in prison, and the way Jesus would drink our cup of suffering and woe to the point of death on the cross as our sin bearer, let us appreciate how by beholding this principle in Christ and in those actuated by His Spirit we, too, may become filled with the Spirit of God to do His will amid trial, loss, and suffering. The trust God gives us in allowing us to suffer for His dear sake should cause us to ever draw nearer to our crucified, risen, and soon coming Lord Jesus! All of the fruits of the Spirit without one missing are in the converted soul living by faith on Christ, but they are made richer and more abundant amid the experience of suffering, even as gold is refined. "But He knoweth the way that I take: when He hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold" (Job 23:10). And we also may learn to say with Job, "Though He slay me, yet will I trust in Him: but I will maintain mine own ways before Him" (Job 13:15).

"The principle of the Baptist's own life of self-abnegation was the principle of the Messiah's kingdom. John well knew how foreign all this was to the principles and hopes of the leaders in Israel. That which was to him convincing evidence of Christ's divinity would be no evidence to them. They were looking for a Messiah who had not been promised. John saw that the Saviour's mission could win from them only hatred and condemnation. He, the forerunner, was but drinking of the cup which Christ Himself must drain to its dregs." {The Desire of Ages, page 218, paragraph 1}

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on December 23, 2018, 06:31:43 AM

What if God does not change your circumstances? What if the trials you are going through do not get resolved the way you had hoped or anticipated? As we think of John the Baptist who faithfully heralded the first coming of Jesus, we can be encouraged to know that in the times of trial and suffering in life, such as when John was alone in the prison before he was beheaded, we may let our minds dwell with joy upon the unseen companions all around us--the heavenly angels and the fact that the onlooking universe is seeing the way Jesus is revealing His character through us--all the fruits of the Spirit without one missing--as long as we are abiding in Him with a full heart surrender. What joy to suffer and be strong when we know that all things work together for good, and that Someone who loves us--our Heavenly Father--is leading our life!!

"Though no miraculous deliverance was granted John, he was not forsaken. He had always the companionship of heavenly angels, who opened to him the prophecies concerning Christ, and the precious promises of Scripture. These were his stay, as they were to be the stay of God's people through the coming ages. To John the Baptist, as to those that came after him, was given the assurance, 'Lo, I am with you all the days, even unto the end.' Matthew 28:20, R. V., margin."  {The Desire of Age, page 224, paragraph 4}

And if God is with and for us, who can be against us! Let us live today in victory--victory in Jesus!!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Dorine on December 23, 2018, 10:10:51 AM

Amen Pastor Sean. I ask myself these questions and I am comforted by today's reading.

"Jesus did not interpose to deliver His servant. He knew that John would bear the test. Gladly would the Saviour have come to John, to brighten the dungeon gloom with His own presence. But He was not to place Himself in the hands of enemies and imperil His own mission. Gladly would He have delivered His faithful servant. But for the sake of thousands who in after years must pass from prison to death, John was to drink the cup of martyrdom. As the followers of Jesus should languish in lonely cells, or perish by the sword, the rack, or the fagot, apparently forsaken by God and man, what a stay to their hearts would be the thought that John the Baptist, to whose faithfulness Christ Himself had borne witness, had passed through a similar experience!" 

This certainly brings courage and peace to my heart. I may not at this point be facing the things described here but God in His mercy is allowing smaller trials to come so that I will learn to trust Him completely. Then when the larger trials come I will know from experience like John, to turn to the One who will never leave me nor forsake me. No matter what the circumstances are my faith will cling to Jesus.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Beacon on December 23, 2018, 11:40:09 AM

 "In the estimation of Heaven, what is it that constitutes greatness? Not that which the world accounts greatness; not wealth, or rank, or noble descent, or intellectual gifts, in themselves considered. If intellectual greatness, apart from any higher consideration, is worthy of honor, then our homage is due to Satan, whose intellectual power no man has ever equaled. But when perverted to self-serving, the greater the gift, the greater curse it becomes. It is moral worth that God values. Love and purity are the attributes He prizes most. John was great in the sight of the Lord, when, before the messengers from the Sanhedrin, before the people, and before his own disciples, he refrained from seeking honor for himself, but pointed all to Jesus as the Promised One. His unselfish joy in the ministry of Christ presents the highest type of nobility ever revealed in man."

Can you imagine how transforming it would be to God's Remnant church if we all would strive to be "True" examples of what God values the most as we go about our daily lives, "Seeking first the kingdom of God." Then by the transforming power of our Lord we would be prepared to withstand all the fiery darts of the devil. " John was great in the sight of the Lord. " because his life was totally surrendered to the leading of the Holy Spirit. Let us not become distracted or derailed by the enticements of Satan. Jesus said. " All Power" is given unto me in heaven and on earth". I want my life to totally reflect His Character and Mission and be able to hear those words..."Well Done" at the end of my earthly journey. How about you?

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on March 20, 2019, 05:16:00 AM

Trials, however great, need not come between us and Jesus.

Romans 8:28-39 "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Though John the Baptist's imprisonment and beheading may have seemed like a great defeat, as he held fast his faith amid the buffeting of trying thoughts and accusing questions and doubts, God's messenger came off victorious. Even death only placed John beyond the power of the devil, sealing his life history as one who was faithful to Jesus. May we find encouragement in John's life and testimony as the trials increase before Jesus comes!

"But the Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ. The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,--all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One." {The Desire of Ages, page 216, paragraph 3}

Faith is not feeling. We may not feel good in our trials, we may face great struggles. But we can remember the source of our strength is not in self, but in Christ. "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope: And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us" (Romans 5:1-5).

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Beacon on March 20, 2019, 05:31:40 AM

 
"The life of John had been one of active labor, and the gloom and inaction of his prison life weighed heavily upon him. As week after week passed, bringing no change, despondency and doubt crept over him. His disciples did not forsake him. They were allowed access to the prison.  John the Baptist had been first in heralding Christ's kingdom, and he was first also in suffering. From the free air of the wilderness and the vast throngs that had hung upon his words, he was now shut in by the walls of a dungeon cell. He had become a prisoner in the fortress of Herod Antipas. . Herod himself had listened to the preaching of the Baptist. The dissolute king had trembled under the call to repentance. "Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy; . . . and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly."

Have you ever wondered why God seems to not hear your prayers and change your circumstances?? Could it be that by God permitting John to pass through this dark and lonely valley,  it also  gave Herod direct access to hear the voice of God calling him to repentance?  Notice the ending sentence in the above paragraph. When we face adverse situations remember that if God bring you to it, He will see you through it even if it leads to our death.

"John dealt with Herod faithfully, denouncing his iniquitous alliance with Herodias, his brother's wife. For a time Herod feebly sought to break the chain of lust that bound him; but Herodias fastened him the more firmly in her toils, and found revenge upon the Baptist by inducing Herod to cast him into prison.  His disciples brought him tidings of the works of Jesus, and told how the people were flocking to Him.

 But they questioned why, if this new teacher was the Messiah, He did nothing to effect John's release. How could He permit His faithful herald to be deprived of liberty and perhaps of life?" These questions were not without effect. Doubts which otherwise would never have arisen were suggested to John. Oh, how often those who think themselves the friends of a good man, and who are eager to show their fidelity to him, prove to be his most dangerous.[/b] ]Satan rejoiced to hear the words of these disciples, and to see how they bruised the soul of the Lord's messenger. How often, instead of strengthening his faith, their words depress and dishearten! fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."[/color][/b][/color]

Hopefully these thoughts will help all of us to #1. Trust in God Through All Circumstances. #2. To prayerfully chose our words so that they will be a positive encouragement to those in need as they pass through the crucible of intense suffering both physically and spiritually.   

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Dorine on March 20, 2019, 07:13:06 AM

"God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."

God provides the help and strength in the measure we need it. All we have to do is 'trust and obey Him'. We have nothing to fear. As we read the story of John the Baptist what a contrast we see in his life compared to Herod. Herod was more of a prisoner than John was only John was a prisoner for Christ and Herod a prisoner of Satan. John died in peace. Herod died a distraught and fearful man. I pray that my life will be a witness for Jesus; that like John I will be firm as a rock in my loyalty to Christ. No matter what the circumstance is that surrounds us Christ has given us promise after promise that He will never leave us or forsake us even unto death.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on March 20, 2019, 08:33:37 PM

Quote from: Beacon on March 20, 2019, 05:31:40 AM

 
 fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."

Hopefully these thoughts will help all of us to #1. Trust in God Through All Circumstances. #2. To prayerfully chose our words so that they will be a positive encouragement to those in need as they pass through the crucible of intense suffering both physically and spiritually.   

Amen, Brother Beacon!  We need to be careful that we encourage, not discourge those we come in contact with, even when things are difficult.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on March 20, 2019, 08:46:41 PM

Quote from: Pastor Sean Brizendine on March 20, 2019, 05:16:00 AM

Trials, however great, need not come between us and Jesus.

"But the Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ. The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,--all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One." {The Desire of Ages, page 216, paragraph 3}

Amen Pastor Sean. John was attacked by Satan as his disciples spoke words that would lead him to doubt the Jesus was the Messiah. John did not understand Jesus did not come to die, but he thought he was going to sit on an earthly throne. Such is the power of deception. And when doubts entered his mind as to the reality of Jesus being the Son of God, John's faith failed not.

There were hours when the whisperings of demons tortured his spirit, and the shadow of a terrible fear crept over him. Could it be that the long-hoped-for Deliverer had not yet appeared? Then what meant the message that he himself had been impelled to bear? John had been bitterly disappointed in the result of his mission. He had expected that the message from God would have the same effect as when the law was read in the days of Josiah and of Ezra (2 Chronicles 34; Nehemiah 8, 9); that there would follow a deep-seated work of repentance and returning unto the Lord. For the success of this mission his whole life had been sacrificed. Had it been in vain? 

What a trial!! But, John knew Jesus and he did not give in to the temptation to not believe. It was his character and his knowledge of Jesus that kept him faithful.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on March 20, 2019, 08:50:39 PM

Quote from: Dorine on March 20, 2019, 07:13:06 AM

"God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."

God provides the help and strength in the measure we need it. All we have to do is 'trust and obey Him'. We have nothing to fear. As we read the story of John the Baptist what a contrast we see in his life compared to Herod. Herod was more of a prisoner than John was only John was a prisoner for Christ and Herod a prisoner of Satan. John died in peace. Herod died a distraught and fearful man. I pray that my life will be a witness for Jesus; that like John I will be firm as a rock in my loyalty to Christ. No matter what the circumstance is that surrounds us Christ has given us promise after promise that He will never leave us or forsake us even unto death.

Amen Dear Sister Dorine. I love this statement that Jesus leads us in the very best way, and one day by His grace we shall understand why He did what He did. No matter what the circumstances, all will work for our good if we love Jesus supremely.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Beacon on June 14, 2019, 05:55:26 PM

"Satan can present a counterfeit so closely resembling the truth that it deceives those who are willing to be deceived, who desire to shun the self-denial and sacrifice demanded by the truth...

...[b]However, It is impossible for him to hold under his power one soul who honestly desires, at whatever cost, to know the truth. Christ is the truth and the "Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." John 1:9. The Spirit of truth has been sent to guide men into all truth. And upon the authority of the Son of God it is declared: "Seek, and ye shall find." "If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine." Matthew 7:7; John 7:17[/size][[/b]/size][/color]

This is a fantastic guarantee but..... But please note the conditional terms of this promise: We must...." SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND" "IF ANY MAN WILL DO HIS WILL, HE SHALL KNOW OF THE DOCTRINE."[/b[/size]]

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on June 15, 2019, 03:47:15 AM

Amen, Brother Beacon!

Let us keep our eyes on Jesus and remember that Satan is losing his hold on the universe by how He reveals his character, which is in such contrast to the character of Christ. Let us remember how John the Baptist closed his probation--in victory because he was faithful even unto death! As we abide in Christ, we too may be faithful no matter the situation!

"Satan was permitted to cut short the earthly life of God's messenger; but that life which 'is hid with Christ in God,' the destroyer could not reach. Colossians 3:3. He exulted that he had brought sorrow upon Christ, but he had failed of conquering John. Death itself only placed him forever beyond the power of temptation. In this warfare, Satan was revealing his own character. Before the witnessing universe he made manifest his enmity toward God and man." {The Desire of Ages, page 224, paragraph 3} 

Remember the victory is character--an entire surrender to Christ in all situations motivated by the loveliness of Jesus!!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on June 15, 2019, 08:33:04 AM

Amen brother Beacon and Pastor Sean. I noticed something this morning I had not noticed before. Herod was fearful that a curse had been brought upon him for what he had done to John. What do we think the word curse means? In your mind is this a really bad thing? I think so. What does the Bible mean when it uses the word curse?

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Dorine on June 15, 2019, 11:41:55 AM

"Oh, how often those who think themselves the friends of a good man, and who are eager to show their fidelity to him, prove to be his most dangerous enemies! How often, instead of strengthening his faith, their words depress and dishearten!"

This quote made me question myself as to how often I have been that so called friend. Our words once uttered can never be withdrawn and Satan will use them over and over to his advantage for someone else's or our downfall when he can. I love how Jesus didn't answer the disciples question right away. For hours he kept on healing and working for the benefit of those in need. At last Jesus told them to go back and tell John what they had seen and heard. What joy that brought to John's heart and wiped away all doubts from his mind. May today's story protect us from giving in to the temptation to indulge in anything that would bring doubts to anyone's mind about the truth's of God's word.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on June 16, 2019, 07:11:14 AM

Amen Sister Dorine!   Our words may be the straw the pushes a poor soul over the cliff. Let us encourage the poor fragile creatures that know not the love of Jesus. We need to learn the lesson we see in how Jesus worked with Judas. We do not place them in leadership positions, but we ought to love them. And, if in leadership positions, it may be better to leave them there for a moment while we pray about what to do, rather than rushing forward in our own strength and ignorance.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on September 08, 2019, 08:57:41 AM

God knows the trials through which we will pass. He has strength to help us at every step. It is encouraging to see how John the Baptist's character was such that God knew he could bear the test at the end of his life. God knows what we can bear, too. "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it" (1 Corinthians 10:13). Only by continual union and communion with Christ by an unreserved surrender to Him will we be enabled to pass safety through the trials and difficulties of life without yielding to the temptations of Satan. Because Satan saw that John was not yielding to temptation to sin, the devil worked through Herodias and Herod to persecute him and cut short his life. But for one who life ends having continually yielded to Christ, there is eternal victory, for the next conscious thought of such a one is the joy of the resurrection morning when Jesus awakes the dead to immortal life. May you find courage to navigate trials today through Jesus' strength and grace.

"The childhood, youth, and manhood of John had been characterized by firmness and moral power. When his voice was heard in the wilderness saying, 'Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make His paths straight' (Matthew 3:3), Satan feared for the safety of his kingdom. The sinfulness of sin was revealed in such a manner that men trembled. Satan's power over many who had been under his control was broken. He had been unwearied in his efforts to draw away the Baptist from a life of unreserved surrender to God; but he had failed. And he had failed to overcome Jesus. In the temptation in the wilderness, Satan had been defeated, and his rage was great. Now he determined to bring sorrow upon Christ by striking John. The One whom he could not entice to sin he would cause to suffer." {The Desire of Ages, page 224, paragraph 1}

While we are not to seek suffering as Christians, we can remember that we need not fear what the devil may try to do against us in bringing suffering to us, since God only allows what can work for our eternal good and His glory. "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose" (Romans 8:28).

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on September 08, 2019, 09:44:38 AM

Amen Pastor Sean. Any suffering that comes to us when we abide in Christ is for our good and God's glory. It is sad to realize that Satan caused John to suffer because it would bring sorrow to Jesus. Is it not the same today when we suffer? It hurts Jesus. But, His reward for His suffering is to see His character reflected in our lives.

There is a lesson to learn from this chapter regarding our suffering.

    God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor.


Such a promise!!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Beacon on December 02, 2019, 09:59:48 PM

"If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."

The song says....All to Jesus I surrender All to Him I freely give.....When the last great storm of persecution becomes reality as predicted in Daniel 12:1 The story of John's courage in the face of many howling demons should be a great inspiration to us also. Can we begin to imagine what it must have been like for Jesus on the cross of Calvary when it seemed to Him that even His Father had forsaken Him?

Romans 8:36-39 "says, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Let us also remember that Jesus promised to " Never Leave Us Nor Forsake Us." Even if He permits us to die for His Honor and Glory He will most certainly call us forth on the Resurrection Morning  "

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Dorine on December 03, 2019, 06:13:14 AM

But the Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ. The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,--all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One.

This reminds me of the quote that says; "We have nothing to fear for the future, except as we shall forget the way the Lord has led us, and His teaching in our past history."

While Satan tempted John to doubt the reality of Jesus being the looked for Messiah, John remembered what he had witnessed at the baptism of Jesus and his faith in Jesus could not be shaken. When things look bleak and we are tempted to be discouraged or question God's leading, we are to remember how the Lord has led us in the past and that He will not forsake us now or ever.

Romans 8:28: "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on December 03, 2019, 06:56:51 AM

Amen, Brother Beacon and Sister Dorine!

Our Savior actively leads us, though at times that means we go through very trying situations. Jesus' character and mission were made evident by how He treated the sin-sick souls around Him, adapting His manner of labor to their needs to be able to win their hearts by His love. Thankfully, John the Baptist had his faith anchored in God's word and in the revelation of Christ's character, even though it went contrary to the popular conception of the Messiah. We need to look to Christ continually and trust that God will lead and shepherd us in His plan and path.

"Thus the day wore away, the disciples of John seeing and hearing all. At last Jesus called them to Him, and bade them go and tell John what they had witnessed, adding, 'Blessed is he, whosoever shall find none occasion of stumbling in Me.' Luke 7:23, R. V. The evidence of His divinity was seen in its adaptation to the needs of suffering humanity. His glory was shown in His condescension to our low estate." {The Desire of Ages, page 217, paragraph 1}

God's glory is seen in how He treats weak, erring, broken sinners with His love. Let us allow Christ in us the hope of glory to manifest that character through us to those around us this day, for when Christ is in us all of the fruits of the Spirit will be seen in our lives--not one will be missing!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on December 03, 2019, 09:54:23 AM

Amen Pastor Sean. Even though John was taught error regarding the mission of Jesus, he understood the character of Jesus  and did not lose his faith in Him.

Quote from: Dorine on December 03, 2019, 06:13:14 AM

But the Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ. The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,--all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One.

This reminds me of the quote that says; "We have nothing to fear for the future, except as we shall forget the way the Lord has led us, and His teaching in our past history."

While Satan tempted John to doubt the reality of Jesus being the looked for Messiah, John remembered what he had witnessed at the baptism of Jesus and his faith in Jesus could not be shaken. When things look bleak and we are tempted to be discouraged or question God's leading, we are to remember how the Lord has led us in the past and that He will not forsake us now or ever.

Amen dear Sister Dorine. I was impressed with the same truth. While John was deceived about the mission of Christ, he had been given great evidence that Jesus was the Lamb of God, the Son of God. We too have been given great evidence through Scripture and our experience that Jesus is the Son of God and the Bible His Word. We too shall come face to face with things we do not understand. God will leave hooks for us to hang our doubts upon. But, like John, we have no excuse for any unbelief.


     Like the Saviour's disciples, John the Baptist did not understand the nature of Christ's kingdom. He expected Jesus to take the throne of David; and as time passed, and the Saviour made no claim to kingly authority, John became perplexed and troubled. He had declared to the people that in order for the way to be prepared before the Lord, the prophecy of Isaiah must be fulfilled; the mountains and hills must be brought low, the crooked made straight, and the rough places plain. He had looked for the high places of human pride and power to be cast down. He had pointed to the Messiah as the One whose fan was in His hand, and who would thoroughly purge His floor, who would gather the wheat into His garner, and burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. Like the prophet Elijah, in whose spirit and power he had come to Israel, he looked for the Lord to reveal Himself as a God that answereth by fire.
     In his mission the Baptist had stood as a fearless reprover of iniquity, both in high places and in low. He had dared to face King Herod with the plain rebuke of sin. He had not counted his life dear unto himself, that he might fulfill his appointed work. And now from his dungeon he watched for the Lion of the tribe of Judah to cast down the pride of the oppressor, and to deliver the poor and him that cried. But Jesus seemed to content Himself with gathering disciples about Him, and healing and teaching the people. He was eating at the tables of the publicans, while every day the Roman yoke rested more heavily upon Israel, while King Herod and his vile paramour worked their will, and the cries of the poor and suffering went up to heaven.
     To the desert prophet all this seemed a mystery beyond his fathoming. There were hours when the whisperings of demons tortured his spirit, and the shadow of a terrible fear crept over him. Could it be that the long-hoped-for Deliverer had not yet appeared? Then what meant the message that he himself had been impelled to bear? John had been bitterly disappointed in the result of his mission. He had expected that the message from God would have the same effect as when the law was read in the days of Josiah and of Ezra (2 Chronicles 34; Nehemiah 8, 9); that there would follow a deep-seated work of repentance and returning unto the Lord. For the success of this mission his whole life had been sacrificed. Had it been in vain?
     John was troubled to see that through love for him, his own disciples were cherishing unbelief in regard to Jesus. Had his work for them been fruitless? Had he been unfaithful in his mission, that he was now cut off from labor? If the promised Deliverer had appeared, and John had been found true to his calling, would not Jesus now overthrow the oppressor's power, and set free His herald?
     But the Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ. The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,--all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on February 28, 2020, 08:27:40 AM

What if God wants to bless you in ways you do not understand at the time? Because God is infinite in love, we can trust Him and surrender the whole heart to Him as we behold the loveliness of Jesus, finding that it is a privilege to go through any experience that His providence deems best. Enoch did walk into heaven. Elijah went up to heaven in a chariot of fire. But John the Baptist, who suffered for being a consistent witness against the sins of his time as the herald of Christ's first advent, lost his life in prison and is more highly honored than the two aforementioned men who are already in heaven. Why? John shared an experience with Christ in suffering that in terms of eternity means he has had the privilege of better understanding the character of God from what He went through. That is why we can also thank God that He trusts us to be able to suffer for His sake, for the experience we have with Jesus is worth more than gold. "I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir" (Isaiah 13:12). But if God wants to bless you by translating you like He did Enoch, that is not a negative. It is just to say that we need to let God choose the path that is best for us, and walk in His will as we come to discern His still, small voice.

"God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. 'Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.' Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor." {The Desire of Ages, page 224, paragraph 5}

Let us not be ashamed to share what God has done in our lives and how His providences have guided us thus far if we have chosen to completely surrender to Christ the entire heart so He can make it new, and imbue us with all of the fruits of His Spirit without one missing!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on February 28, 2020, 09:00:24 AM

Amen Pastor Sean!  There is much to share in this chapter, but what is most needed is an understanding that God gives us the opportunity to partake in the sufferings of Christ. Is it appreciated that God considers our suffering to be an honor? It is foreign to the world. But, for those who have suffered long, it becomes more clear that it is the life of the mature Christian. Some verses come to mind that illustrate  we ought to know it is for our good and God's glory that we suffer in this world.

And not only [so], but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope: And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us." Romans 5:3-5.

Another verse shows Jesus suffered that He might learn to be obedient, even though He was always obedient. He became more obedient in that He could be tempted to a much higher level as His character became more and more strong. He could not endure Gethsemane when He was six years old. So it is with us. We become more mature as we suffer when we are trusting in Jesus. "Though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered; And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him." Hebrews 5:8,9.

We will repeat this truth often: "'Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.' Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Beacon on February 28, 2020, 03:01:49 PM

"John was troubled to see that through love for him, his own disciples were cherishing unbelief in regard to Jesus. Had his work for them been fruitless? Had he been unfaithful in his mission, that he was now cut off from labor? If the promised Deliverer had appeared, and John had been found true to his calling, would not Jesus now overthrow the oppressor's power, and set free His herald?"

I believe that just ahead of us there is coming a time, when we also, if faithful to Jesus will be tested in ways whereby we may be tempted to feel forsaken by Jesus. No wonder the devil wants to keep us so distracted!!  We must not let this happen. It is "NOW" that we must be preparing for the testing time by the study of the WORD,,,By Reflecting and Remembering how Jesus has led us into a glorious personal relationship with Him. Remembering how many times He has forgiven us and picked us up and restored us to the "Path" that leads to eternal life. We must remember this story and example of what John experienced. [/u]

"But the Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ. The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,--all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One."

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Beacon on May 24, 2020, 05:24:31 PM

"God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. 'Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.' Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."

What was it that kept John loyal to his calling while suffering in isolation in his loathsome prison cell?

"But the Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ. The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,--all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One."

John kept his mind and spirit focused on Jesus and as he reviewed his own personal experiences with Jesus he found renewed strength and courage through the great promise found in... Isaiah chapter 25:8 & 9  *He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it. And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the Lord; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation."

"But the Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ. The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,--all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One."

If we are to remain faithful to our God when our testing time comes, AND IT WILL COME...We must "NOW" be experiencing a close personal walk with Jesus through the study of His Word and by Sharing His wonderful offer of salvation with others. Friends our enemy SATAN will do everything he can to keep us occupied with things that are all going to burn up and pass away. Now is the time to focus on being ready for that which will last for eternity.  

WILL WE BE READY?

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Dorine on May 25, 2020, 04:02:06 AM

"The witness borne of him after his death, by those who had heard his testimony to Jesus, was, "John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this Man were true." John 10:41. It was not given to John to call down fire from heaven, or to raise the dead, as Elijah did, nor to wield Moses' rod of power in the name of God. He was sent to herald the Saviour's advent, and to call upon the people to prepare for His coming. So faithfully did he fulfill his mission, that as the people recalled what he had taught them of Jesus, they could say, "All things that John spake of this Man were true." Such witness to Christ every disciple of the Master is called upon to bear."

We may feel that we have not accomplished great things in the work of God as we would like but the story of John is very uplifting and encouraging. We are to be witnesses to Christ just as John was. If God chooses to use us in a miraculous way that is wonderful but if He chooses to use us in a very humble work as John then there is no greater privilege than to lead souls to Christ. That in itself is a miracle.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on May 25, 2020, 06:16:06 AM

Amen Sister Dorine!! What a blessing to share Jesus with those who want to hear.

What is the most weighty trust and highest honor God can give to you and me? This chapter illustrates this in the life and suffering of John the Baptist.

  To many minds a deep mystery surrounds the fate of John the Baptist. They question why he should have been left to languish and die in prison. The mystery of this dark providence our human vision cannot penetrate; but it can never shake our confidence in God when we remember that John was but a sharer in the sufferings of Christ. All who follow Christ will wear the crown of sacrifice. They will surely be misunderstood by selfish men, and will be made a mark for the fierce assaults of Satan. It is this principle of self-sacrifice that his kingdom is established to destroy, and he will war against it wherever manifested.

Have you experienced this? If so, look up for your redemption draweth nigh.

As Brother Beacon has shared:

God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on May 25, 2020, 10:18:15 AM

Amen, Brother Beacon, Sister Dorine, and Brother Richard! What unity we find in beholding the loveliness of Jesus and surrendering our whole heart to Him!

When we know God as it is our privilege to know Him by union and communion with Him in constant prayer, meditation upon His word, and sharing what Christ has done and is doing for us accompanied by the living witness of the Holy Spirit who manifests through us all of the fruits of the Spirit without one missing, we not only obey the law of God from a heart and mind renewed by divine grace, but we also consider it a privilege to suffer for the sake of Christ and to be led in the specific path His providence assigns us!

"God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. 'Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.' Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor." {The Desire of Ages, page 224, paragraph 5}

Those who will be martyred right before Jesus comes and suffer deeply, those who will go through fierce and fiery persecution because they refuse to renounce the pure faith of the Bible and violate the fourth commandment enjoining worship and rest on the seventh day Sabbath, and those who will live through the time of Jacob's trouble and be translated without seeing death will all know the joy of fellowship with Christ in suffering by a personal experience. Today we face trials that God allows for our good in the development of character and the opportunity to be a living witness of His grace in every situation. "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it" (1 Corinthians 10:13). Strength is always available in every situation through the only way to remain uncontaminated by the world, the flesh and the devil in each temptation: total surrender of the heart to "the Way" (John 14:6), Christ Jesus!

Every blessing is a trial, for it is a test as to whether we will use it for the glory of God; every trial is a blessing, for in the unique experience gained in that time, the Holy Spirit desires to teach us precious lessons of trust and obedience that better prepare us for greater trials to come. We need not fear for the future if we choose to keep our eyes steadfastly upon Jesus Christ and Him crucified, "who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God" (Hebrews 12:2). This very experience--the faith of Jesus--He offers us today as we surrender unreservedly to His will being wrought out in our lives!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on August 20, 2020, 06:27:43 AM

How does divinity really reveal itself? What was seen in Jesus' life? "The evidence of His divinity was seen in its adaptation to the needs of suffering humanity. His glory was shown in His condescension to our low estate." {The Desire of Ages, page 217, paragraph 1}

And Jesus offers us this same character! This is His promise: "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust" (2 Peter 1:4).

When the Holy Spirit takes full possession of the heart and mind that is surrendered unreservedly to Christ, Christ's blood atones for the sin of the soul, a new heart and mind is given! Thus, there is such healing and transformation when we live by faith on the Son of God so that all of the fruits of the Spirit without one missing is seen in a life of true, affectionate obedience to all of the commandments of God! Let us go forth to bless others as God provides for all our needs and leads us to bless others!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Beacon on August 20, 2020, 07:49:41 AM

"..The Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ. The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,--all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One."

I believe that just ahead of us there is coming a time, when we also, if faithful to Jesus will be tested in ways whereby we may be tempted to feel forsaken by Jesus. No wonder the devil wants to keep us so distracted!! We must not let this happen. It is "NOW" that we must be preparing for the testing time by the study of the WORD,,,By Reflecting and Remembering how Jesus has led us into a glorious personal relationship with Him. Remembering how many times He has forgiven us and picked us up and restored us to the "Path" that leads to eternal life. We must remember this story and example of what John experienced.

1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on August 20, 2020, 09:27:26 PM

Imagine John sitting in the dungeon and then hearing he was going to be executed. How did John feel about it all? By then he understood that Jesus was not going to sit on an earthly throne. He knew Jesus was not going to establish an earthly kingdom, but a heavenly one. He understood the Lamb was going to die. He did not fear death. How do we look at suffering? How does God look at it?

     Though no miraculous deliverance was granted John, he was not forsaken. He had always the companionship of heavenly angels, who opened to him the prophecies concerning Christ, and the precious promises of Scripture. These were his stay, as they were to be the stay of God's people through the coming ages. To John the Baptist, as to those that came after him, was given the assurance, "Lo, I am with you all the days, even unto the end." Matthew 28:20, R. V., margin.
     God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Dorine on November 15, 2020, 06:04:56 AM

"God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."

Words to remember at all times. As we depend totally on Christ it is the daily trials that builds strength and muscle to Christian character. Through it all we may rejoice in knowing that Jesus tread the way before us and gives us what we need at the time we need it most. He is with us each step of our pilgrim journey. None of us know what tomorrow will bring but we know that God is already there and what ever challenges we may face He will not allow us to be tempted beyond what we can bear. Knowing His love and care for each of us, brings us joy even in our trials.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on November 15, 2020, 07:09:59 AM

Amen, Sister Dorine!

Let us trust God's leading in our lives, even though we do not see the whole picture yet! Jesus is coming soon, and He will make the mysteries of this life plain as we abide in Him and overcome through His grace. Such an experience of complete surrender to Jesus in the most trying experiences of life allows the Holy Spirit in the converted heart to bring forth all of the fruits of the Spirit without one missing in even sweeter and greater abundance! Hallelujah!!

"God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. 'Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.' Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor." {The Desire of Ages, page 224, paragraph 5}

Because God loves us, He gives us what is best. Trusting in Him, let go forward today that others may find the joy of salvation no matter what their circumstances may be!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Beacon on November 15, 2020, 08:32:23 AM

What was it that kept John loyal to his calling while suffering in isolation in his loathsome prison cell?

"The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,--all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One."

John kept his mind and spirit focused on Jesus and as he reviewed his own personal experiences with Jesus he found renewed strength and courage through the great promise found in... Isaiah chapter 25:8 & 9  *He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it. And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the Lord; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation."

"But the Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ.

The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,--all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One

Now is the time to focus on being ready for that which will last for eternity.  WILL "WE" BE READY?

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on November 15, 2020, 09:02:36 PM

Amen Brother Beacon! We see here why John maintained his faith in Christ:

     John was troubled to see that through love for him, his own disciples were cherishing unbelief in regard to Jesus. Had his work for them been fruitless? Had he been unfaithful in his mission, that he was now cut off from labor? If the promised Deliverer had appeared, and John had been found true to his calling, would not Jesus now overthrow the oppressor's power, and set free His herald?
     But the Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ. The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,--all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One.

His love and faith were based on knowing and trusting God. He suffered as he was imprisoned and did not understand that Jesus had to die. He thought Jesus was going to rule from an earthly throne. Suffering did not kill his faith. Instead it strengthened his character. As Pastor Sean and Sister Dorine have pointed out (and one of my favorite truths) that the most weighty trust and the highest honor that God can bestow upon us is to make us partakers in the sufferings of Christ. Like in polishing a stone to make it beautiful, so it is that Christ is polishing His children by allowing us to suffer for His glory and our good. Romans 3:3-5 gives us understanding from Scripture. Praise God for the light!!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Dorine on February 10, 2021, 06:38:49 AM

"The principle of the Baptist's own life of self-abnegation was the principle of the Messiah's kingdom. John well knew how foreign all this was to the principles and hopes of the leaders in Israel. That which was to him convincing evidence of Christ's divinity would be no evidence to them. They were looking for a Messiah who had not been promised. John saw that the Saviour's mission could win from them only hatred and condemnation. He, the forerunner, was but drinking of the cup which Christ Himself must drain to its dregs."

The accounts of God's servants like John bring such courage to the heart. When we fully give our lives over to Jesus we are putty in His hands to form and shape into His image. The work of reforming us may be painful with opportunities to hang our doubts but Jesus has been through it all even worse than John or anything any of us will ever face. That should wipe away any doubts we may be tempted to have concerning God's work in us and fill us with the joy and peace of Jesus.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on February 10, 2021, 06:58:06 AM

Amen Sister Dorine!  John had love, joy, and peace when he died. So may we even though we suffer if we abide in Christ.

 God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on February 10, 2021, 07:09:47 AM

Amen, Sister Dorine and Brother Richard!

God leads. Are you willing to let Him lead you?

"God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. 'Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.' Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor." {The Desire of Ages, page 224, paragraph 4}

If you surrender to God fully, He not only leads us, but converts the heart so all of the fruits of the Spirit will be seen in the life without one missing! Then we gladly obey God out of an intelligent appreciation of His true character!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Beacon on February 10, 2021, 07:24:53 AM

"Though no miraculous deliverance was granted John, he was not forsaken.

"The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,--all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One."

"These were his stay, as they were to be the stay of God's people through the coming ages."

To John the Baptist, as to those that came after him, was given the assurance, "Lo, I am with you all the days, even unto the end." Matthew 28:20, R. V., margin.

The words of this song come to my mind just now "Trust & Obey for there's no other way to be happy in Jesus but to trust and obey."  Let us determine each day to Trust & Obey and then when our time of testing shall come it will be a natural automatic response based on personal experience to Trust & Obey.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Philip T on February 10, 2021, 09:30:05 AM

The witness borne of him after his death, by those who had heard his testimony to Jesus, was, "John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this Man were true." John 10:41. It was not given to John to call down fire from heaven, or to raise the dead, as Elijah did, nor to wield Moses' rod of power in the name of God. He was sent to herald the Saviour's advent, and to call upon the people to prepare for His coming. So faithfully did he fulfill his mission, that as the people recalled what he had taught them of Jesus, they could say, "All things that John spake of this Man were true." Such witness to Christ every disciple of the Master is called upon to bear.[/b]


This is a powerful lesson for us today as we live our lives for Christ, may we be so faithful to the mission God has selected for us that those who have contact with us may so all that they spoke and witnessed of Jesus is true, That we do not become stumbling blocks to those around us God has a mission and purpose for each one of us, may we pray, search the Scriptures, and listen to the still small voice  speaking to us and go forth to complete God's mission in our lives.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Dorine on May 08, 2021, 06:03:35 AM

"Though no miraculous deliverance was granted John, he was not forsaken. He had always the companionship of heavenly angels, who opened to him the prophecies concerning Christ, and the precious promises of Scripture. These were his stay, as they were to be the stay of God's people through the coming ages. To John the Baptist, as to those that came after him, was given the assurance, "Lo, I am with you all the days, even unto the end." Matthew 28:20, R. V., margin.

Having just gone through several weeks of intense pain these words of promise uplift and strengthen me. My Jesus means so much to me and I never want to deny Him by negative thoughts and attitude. What blessings are ours even when the going gets tough. He sees us through each trial strengthening our faith to face the next one. If I think my pain is more than I can handle all I have to do is think of Jesus hanging from the cross in torment and agony that I will never have to face. So let's praise God this Sabbath day for His love and goodness to us and show to others that they too can have peace in the midst of their storms if they surrender their hearts to Him.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Beacon on May 08, 2021, 07:44:35 AM

What was it that kept John loyal to his calling while suffering in isolation in his loathsome prison cell?

"The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures.

"All witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One."

John kept his mind and spirit focused on Jesus and as he reviewed his own personal experiences with Jesus he found renewed strength and courage through the great promise found in...
 
Isaiah chapter 25:8 & 9  *He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it. And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the Lord; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation."

"But the Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ.

"The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,--all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One."

Now is the time to focus on being ready for that which will last for eternity.  WILL "WE" BE READY?

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on May 08, 2021, 10:33:07 AM

Amen Brother Beacon! Today is the day of salvation, today we can give glory to God. The closing truths in this chapter explain something many refuse to accept.

Our prayers are with you Sister Dorine. We often do not think others are suffering as we, but if they are truly fully surrendered to Christ, they shall suffer for God's glory and their good.

     God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor.

Amen!  It is how our character is strengthened to more perfectly reflect our Lord. Thus, we give more glory to Him who gave all for us.

    Satan was permitted to cut short the earthly life of God's messenger; but that life which "is hid with Christ in God," the destroyer could not reach. Colossians 3:3. He exulted that he had brought sorrow upon Christ, but he had failed of conquering John. Death itself only placed him forever beyond the power of temptation. In this warfare, Satan was revealing his own character. Before the witnessing universe he made manifest his enmity toward God and man.

And, before the witnessing universe was manifest the power of God's grace to transform a sinner into a saint even though John lived in sinful flesh. This is what God is doing through His church today. Be not surprised when fiery trials come. It is the most weighty trust and the highest God gives to His faithful children. The angels wonder at how such as we great sinners could be so wonderfully transformed. Christ is working to bring and end to sin so that He can close the heavenly sanctuary and soon thereafter put an end to sin permanently.
 

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on May 08, 2021, 02:27:19 PM

Amen, Sister Dorine, Brother Beacon, and Brother Richard! I pray the Lord will comfort you in your pain, Sister Dorine, and I, too, have found solace in realizing that the mental and emotional struggles I have faced, when I contemplate Christ's mental and emotional struggle at Calvary, are not only bearable, but become a weighty trust and high honor to better understand the value of our salvation! Only in heaven will we fully realize the value of what Jesus has given us, for we have never been there and do not realize all that He laid aside to come to this poor, dark speck of a world to ransom rebellious sinners from the pit of corruption and by His grace transform us into a revelations of His character who have a strength and capacity for intimacy with Himself that is even closer than what angels can know. Oh, what wondrous love is this!! Jesus can take the most vile sinner and transform him or her into a saint who hates sin and would rather die than sin! As such a truly converted soul bears all of the fruits of the Spirit without one missing and lives a life wholly consecrated to God in affectionate obedience to His law of love, it is a miracle to live a consistent life in Christ! Praise the Lord for the testimony of John the Baptist who suffered but remained faithful to the close of his probationary life!

Happy Sabbath to all! Let God lead you!

"God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. 'Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.' Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor." {The Desire of Ages, page 224, paragraph 5}

Invite God to do what He knows is best in your life--for purposes that exceed knowledge. We do not know when we are going through a trial who will be blessed by the testimony or at what time in God's providence others will need to hear that to help them heavenward. Just today I heard a testimony from a church member share that something I had shared months ago--maybe even years ago--about how I had fallen at a well and broken a glass jar by slipping on the ice (though it was a trial) was an opportunity for praising God! This apparently impacted this church member's son who shared it in a testimony in another situation. In that I am reminded that we may not immediately see the benefits of praising God in our adversity, but others will be blessed even at a much later time. Imagine if John the Baptist knew that in 2021 we were being blessed by the testimony of his life that ended in the dungeon (at least on earth), but bore witness to steadfast faith in the most difficult trial! What a joy it will be to meet him in heaven because we also have learned to count all our trials as opportunities for joy! Praise God!!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Beacon on August 03, 2021, 05:45:38 AM

John had been bitterly disappointed in the result of his mission. He had expected that the message from God would have the same effect as when the law was read in the days of Josiah and of Ezra (2 Chronicles 34; Nehemiah 8, 9); that there would follow a deep-seated work of repentance and returning unto the Lord. For the success of this mission his whole life had been sacrificed.

"Had it been in vain? "

"John was troubled to see that through love for him, his own disciples were cherishing unbelief in regard to Jesus. Had his work for them been fruitless? Had he been unfaithful in his mission, that he was now cut off from labor? If the promised Deliverer had appeared, and John had been found true to his calling, would not Jesus now overthrow the oppressor's power, and set free His herald?"[

Here we see how Satan will try to torture us! But this lesson is recorded for us so that we can be prepared to stand tall for Jesus at all times and circumstances.

"But the Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ."

"The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,--all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One."

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Dorine on August 03, 2021, 05:48:50 AM

To many minds a deep mystery surrounds the fate of John the Baptist. They question why he should have been left to languish and die in prison. The mystery of this dark providence our human vision cannot penetrate; but it can never shake our confidence in God when we remember that John was but a sharer in the sufferings of Christ. All who follow Christ will wear the crown of sacrifice. They will surely be misunderstood by selfish men, and will be made a mark for the fierce assaults of Satan. It is this principle of self-sacrifice that his kingdom is established to destroy, and he will war against it wherever manifested.

This is why we should never be surprised or discouraged when we face suffering and trials. God has a plan for each one of us and each plan is tailor made just for us. We need to let God lead and direct our lives instead of us telling God what is best for us. We may think we know but God's ways are different than ours. When we humbly submit our hearts to Him we will know the joy and peace of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit no matter what comes our way.  Like John our confidence in Jesus will not waver.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on August 03, 2021, 09:33:19 AM

Amen, Brother Beacon and Sister Dorine!

Jesus loves us and leads our lives. While it may not turn out the way we thought, in heaven we will fully understand why He allowed all He did. Trust Him because He first loved you, and as you surrender unreservedly to Jesus, in the power of His converting grace He renews your heart and mind and imbues you with all of the fruits of the Spirit without one missing! Great joy comes from being in the center of God's will--as the most weighty trust and high honor God gives us is to have fellowship with Christ in His sufferings!

God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor.

May we never complain as we go along the life journey God leads us to experience, praising God for His love that sustains us even when we are in immense emotional or spiritual pain. Pain is not the enemy in our lives--sin is, and Jesus became sin for us so that we could become the righteousness of God in Him. What a joy to do God's will by His imputed and imparted righteousness!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on August 03, 2021, 08:59:54 PM

Amen Pastor Sean. There are some lessons that must be repeated over and over. This is one of them.

    God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor.


Just moments ago I was sharing this precise truth with a very dear brother who does not quite understand this truth. Or maybe it is not that he does not know it, but does not experience it. It is his desire to do so, but in the meantime, it is painful to lose all one has and not feel that "all" things are working for his good. It is God's greatest desire that we all come to appreciate the blessing of partaking in the sufferings of our Savior. Then we shall have the peace that passes all understanding no matter how difficult the situation. We are privileged to be witnesses for our Savior and our God.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Beacon on October 28, 2021, 08:36:18 PM

"John kept his mind and spirit focused on Jesus and as he reviewed his own personal experiences with Jesus he found renewed strength and courage through the great promise found in...
 
Isaiah chapter 25:8 & 9  *He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it. And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the Lord; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation."

"The Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ."

"The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,--all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One."

Notice that it was what John had already seen and heard from Jesus that sustained him in prison!!

I love the words of the song " Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus Look Full in His Wonderful Face & the things of Earth will grow strangely dim in the Light of His Glory and Grace.   


Will our anchor hold in the storm just ahead of us? "WILL "WE" BE READY?" Now is the time to Prepare.!! Don't let the devil distract you!!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on October 29, 2021, 08:03:28 AM

Amen, Brother Beacon!

What is most valuable?

"It is moral worth that God values. Love and purity are the attributes He prizes most." {The Desire of Ages, page 219, paragraph 3}
 
"God is love" (1 John 4:8), and when He lives in us, the same purity and love from Jesus will flow out of our lives to others in good works that are motivated by the Holy Spirit and made possible by His grace! May you let all of the fruits of the Spirit without one missing be manifest in your life today as you choose to surrender all you have and are to God moment-by-moment, enjoying constant union and communion with Christ! Then you can gladly obey God from a heart renewed by divine grace and go forth to bless others in affectionate obedience to God's will as revealed in His law of love, the Ten Commandments!

Having such an experience of character prepares us to bear the most weighty trust and the highest honor of fellowship with Christ in His sufferings.

"God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. 'Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.' Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor." {The Desire of Ages, page 224, paragraph 5}

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on October 29, 2021, 08:23:36 AM

Amen Brother Beacon and Pastor Sean.  Some things are worth repeating. Pastor Sean has shared this, I think it good to say it again.

And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor.

As the Messiah's herald, John was "much more than a prophet." For while prophets had seen from afar Christ's advent, to John it was given to behold Him, to hear the testimony from heaven to His Messiahship, and to present Him to Israel as the Sent of God.

And so it was with Sister White, she was more than a prophet. She too was to provide a view of the righteousness of Christ and to prepare a people to receive Jesus at His second coming!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Beacon on January 23, 2022, 09:47:56 PM

"Satan was permitted to cut short the earthly life of God's messenger; but that life which "is hid with Christ in God," the destroyer could not reach. Colossians 3:3."

"He exulted that he had brought sorrow upon Christ, but he had failed of conquering John.""Death itself only placed him forever beyond the power of temptation."

"In this warfare, Satan was revealing his own character."

"Before the witnessing universe he made manifest his enmity toward God and man."

"John kept his mind and spirit focused on Jesus and as he reviewed his own personal experiences with Jesus he found renewed strength and courage through the great promise found in..."
 
"Isaiah chapter 25:8 & 9  *He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it. And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the Lord; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation."

"The Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ."


It is my fervent prayer for all of God's children, that same will be able to be said about of all of us!!

Jesus, Savior, pilot me
Over life’s tempestuous sea;
Unknown waves before me roll,
Hiding rock and treach’rous shoal;
Chart and compass come from Thee;
  Jesus, Savior, pilot me.
2
As a mother stills her child,
Thou canst hush the ocean wild;
Boist’rous waves obey Thy will
When Thou say’st to them, “Be still.”
Wondrous Sov’reign of the sea,
  Jesus, Savior, pilot me.
3
Though death’s valley I may pass,
Still Thy grace will fear surpass;
In Thy presence I will rest,
And, while leaning on Thy breast,
I will hear Thee say to me,
  “Fear not, I will pilot thee.”

Lyrics:Edward Hopper (1816-1888)
Music:John Edgar Gould (1822-1875)

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Dorine on January 24, 2022, 04:55:07 AM

"Satan was permitted to cut short the earthly life of God's messenger; but that life which "is hid with Christ in God," the destroyer could not reach. Colossians 3:3. He exulted that he had brought sorrow upon Christ, but he had failed of conquering John. Death itself only placed him forever beyond the power of temptation. In this warfare, Satan was revealing his own character. Before the witnessing universe he made manifest his enmity toward God and man."

We may rejoice in the knowledge that God sees all and knows all that we go through. His love for us was shown most profoundly on the cross of Calvary. He will be with us no matter what He allows to happen in our lives. As long as we stay focused on Jesus and surrendered to Him no one or no circumstance can separate us from God's love and care. He will give us strength to endure.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on January 24, 2022, 08:02:44 PM

Amen my brother and sister!!  No matter what comes to us, we will glory in our tribulation knowing it is for our good and God's glory as we abide in Jesus. As we read, Satan could no longer touch John, but he wanted to make Jesus sad. But, Jesus was not sad. He loved John and protected him from the evil in this world.

He leaves us here that we might develop the character that John had that we too might be faithful witnesses of the love and power of God.

   Like the Saviour's disciples, John the Baptist did not understand the nature of Christ's kingdom. He expected Jesus to take the throne of David; and as time passed, and the Saviour made no claim to kingly authority, John became perplexed and troubled. He had declared to the people that in order for the way to be prepared before the Lord, the prophecy of Isaiah must be fulfilled; the mountains and hills must be brought low, the crooked made straight, and the rough places plain. He had looked for the high places of human pride and power to be cast down. He had pointed to the Messiah as the One whose fan was in His hand, and who would thoroughly purge His floor, who would gather the wheat into His garner, and burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. Like the prophet Elijah, in whose spirit and power he had come to Israel, he looked for the Lord to reveal Himself as a God that answereth by fire.
     In his mission the Baptist had stood as a fearless reprover of iniquity, both in high places and in low. He had dared to face King Herod with the plain rebuke of sin. He had not counted his life dear unto himself, that he might fulfill his appointed work. And now from his dungeon he watched for the Lion of the tribe of Judah to cast down the pride of the oppressor, and to deliver the poor and him that cried. But Jesus seemed to content Himself with gathering disciples about Him, and healing and teaching the people. He was eating at the tables of the publicans, while every day the Roman yoke rested more heavily upon Israel, while King Herod and his vile paramour worked their will, and the cries of the poor and suffering went up to heaven.
     To the desert prophet all this seemed a mystery beyond his fathoming. There were hours when the whisperings of demons tortured his spirit, and the shadow of a terrible fear crept over him. Could it be that the long-hoped-for Deliverer had not yet appeared? Then what meant the message that he himself had been impelled to bear? John had been bitterly disappointed in the result of his mission. He had expected that the message from God would have the same effect as when the law was read in the days of Josiah and of Ezra (2 Chronicles 34; Nehemiah 8, 9); that there would follow a deep-seated work of repentance and returning unto the Lord. For the success of this mission his whole life had been sacrificed. Had it been in vain?

How did John see God's grace since he did not know Jesus was going to suffer and die for his sins? In his studies he learned of the character of God. He knew of His great love for sinners and He had experienced His love from many answered prayers that he did not deserve. That is grace, unmerited favor.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on January 25, 2022, 06:10:40 AM

Praise the Lord for these other posts, too, from Brother Beacon, Sister Dorine and Brother Richard!

Let God lead! And rejoice in the Lord always!

God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Beacon on April 20, 2022, 08:02:14 PM

"John had been bitterly disappointed in the result of his mission."

"He had expected that the message from God would have the same effect as when the law was read in the days of Josiah and of Ezra (2 Chronicles 34; Nehemiah 8, 9); that there would follow a deep-seated work of repentance and returning unto the Lord."

"For the success of this mission his whole life had been sacrificed."

"Had it been in vain?"

"To the desert prophet all this seemed a mystery beyond his fathoming."

"There were hours when the whispering of demons tortured his spirit, and the shadow of a terrible fear crept over him."

"Could it be that the long-hoped-for Deliverer had not yet appeared?"

"Then what meant the message that he himself had been impelled to bear?

"John had been bitterly disappointed in the result of his mission."

I'm sure that many who have born witness for Jesus under very difficult circumstances have experienced the same feelings of doubt and disappointment and many have even been tortured and killed but...

We need to remember that Jesus does not guarantee a Smooth Flight throughout our earthly journey, However,...He does guarantee a Smooth Successful Landing on the Heavenly Shores to those who remain faithful to Him.

May God grant us to the same courage as John!

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  Encamped along the hills of light,
  Ye Christian soldiers rise,
And press the battle ere the night
  Shall veil the glowing skies;
Against the foe in vales below
  Let all our strength be hurled;
Faith is the victory, we know,
  That overcomes the world.
    Faith is the victory!
Faith is the victory!
O glorious victory,
  That overcomes the world.
2
His banner over us is love,
  Our sword the Word of God;
We tread the road the saints before
  With shouts of triumph trod.
By faith, they like a whirlwind’s breath,
  Swept on o’er every field;
The faith by which they conquered death
  Is still our shining shield.
3
On every hand the foe we find
  Drawn up in dread array;
Let tents of ease be left behind,
  And onward to the fray.
Salvation’s helmet on each head,
  With truth all girt about,
The earth shall tremble ’neath our tread,
  And echo with our shout.
4
To him that overcomes the foe,
  White raiment shall be giv’n;
Before the angels he shall know
  His name confessed in heav’n;
Then onward from the hills of light,
  Our hearts with love aflame,
We’ll vanquish all the hosts of night,
  In Jesus’ conqu’ring name.

Lyrics:John Henry Yates (1837-1900)
Music:Ira David Sankey (1840-1908) bio

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Dorine on April 21, 2022, 04:27:31 AM

"John was troubled to see that through love for him, his own disciples were cherishing unbelief in regard to Jesus. Had his work for them been fruitless? Had he been unfaithful in his mission, that he was now cut off from labor? If the promised Deliverer had appeared, and John had been found true to his calling, would not Jesus now overthrow the oppressor's power, and set free His herald?     But the Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ. The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,--all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One."

Sometimes discouragement nags at the heart when we do not understand why things are happening the way we think they should. There are many things not made plain to us now but we always know that when we put our full trust in Jesus He will never fail us. There are lessons He wants to teach us that we have no idea are needed. He is building characters in each of us that is preparing us to finish the work here on earth and fit us for a home in heaven. Like John we may look back over the years and remember the ways in which God has led us in the past and take courage knowing He will not forsake us now. May our faith in Jesus never fail.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on April 21, 2022, 04:39:06 AM

Amen, Brother Beacon and Sister Dorine!

Let us allow God to lead us so we can grow more like Christ! In complete surrender there is perfect peace that passes all understanding! All of the fruits of the Spirit will be manifest in our lives without one missing as long as we are abiding in Christ!

"God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. 'Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.' Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor." {The Desire of Ages, page 224, paragraph 5}

For God to entrust us with suffering for His sake and allow it to be a witness of His character to this world and the onlooking universe is an amazing gift--one that may not FEEL like a gift at the time, but one that brings us into experiential intimacy with God in a way that even is beyond what the angels can fully know! May we learn to rejoice in the Lord always, no matter what our circumstances!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on April 21, 2022, 08:58:46 AM

My friends have discerned such important truths given to a church who are to prepare a people to receive Jesus at His soon coming. I pray that the Holy Spirit will reveal to all who are reading with us the light given to His servants this morning. The deceptions that Satan had instilled in Israel of Old led to a misunderstanding of the Savior's mission such that even John the Baptist did not understand Jesus had to suffer and die that we might be transformed and made fit to live eternally with Him who gave all for us while we were yet sinners.

 Like the Saviour's disciples, John the Baptist did not understand the nature of Christ's kingdom. He expected Jesus to take the throne of David.....John had been bitterly disappointed in the result of his mission. He had expected that the message from God would have the same effect as when the law was read in the days of Josiah and of Ezra (2 Chronicles 34; Nehemiah 8, 9); that there would follow a deep-seated work of repentance and returning unto the Lord. For the success of this mission his whole life had been sacrificed. Had it been in vain? 

As Sister Dorine pointed out, despite that John did not understand, "the Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ." And Brother Beacon also shared that "John had been bitterly disappointed in the result of his mission," yet his courage did not fail. Our brother sees that as John remained faithful despite what he beheld with his eyes, so are we. Our brother encourages us: "We need to remember that Jesus does not guarantee a Smooth Flight throughout our earthly journey, However,...He does guarantee a Smooth Successful Landing on the Heavenly Shores to those who remain faithful to Him."

John suffered as will all who are faithful to God. We glory in our tribulation because as we abide in Christ, our suffering is for our good and God's glory. "And not only [so], but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope: And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us." Romans 5:3-5.

Pastor Sean understands that suffering is indeed something we all shall bear if we remain faithful to Jesus, for it is the most weighty trust and highest honor God can bestow upon us. There is a verse that is seldom if ever heard from our pulpits. "Though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered." Hebrews 5:8. Amen!  Even though we are obedient, we too shall learn obedience by the things we suffer. May God grant us courage to rejoice in our sufferings as we lift up His cross.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Beacon on July 16, 2022, 08:03:45 PM

"Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon."

"Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.' Philippians 1:29.

"And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."

[/size][/color]I am a member of a group called " The Voice of the Martyrs " representing men, women, and children all over the world who are suffering horrific persecution because they love Jesus. Their stories of courage and faithfulness under dire circumstances is heart wrenching yet so encouraging. I would encourage you to look them up at this web address. www:vomcanada.com  Please remember them in your prayers. Someday soon it may be our turn and I pray that all of us may remain faithful to Jesus when our testing time arrives. [/font]

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Stand up! stand up for Jesus!
  Ye soldiers of the cross;
Lift high His royal banner,
  It must not suffer loss:
From vict’ry unto vict’ry
  His army shall He lead,
Till every foe is vanquished
  And Christ is Lord indeed.
    Stand up for Jesus
Ye soldiers of the cross;
Lift high His royal banner,
  It must not, it must not suffer loss.
2
Stand up! stand up for Jesus!
  The trumpet call obey;
Forth to the mighty conflict
  In this His glorious day.
Ye that are men, now serve Him
  Against unnumbered foes;
Let courage rise with danger.
  And strength to strength oppose.
3
Stand up! stand up for Jesus!
  Stand in His strength alone;
The arm of flesh will fail you;
  Ye dare not trust your own.
Put on the Gospel armor,
  And, watching unto prayer,
Where duty calls, or danger,
  Be never wanting there.
4
Stand up! stand up for Jesus!
  The strife will not be long:
This day the noise of battle,
  The next the victor’s song;
To him that overcometh
  A crown of life shall be;
He, with the King of glory,
  Shall reign eternally.

Lyrics:George Duffield (1818-1888)
Music:Adam Geibel (1855-1933)[/font][/b]

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Dorine on July 17, 2022, 05:01:55 AM

"Though no miraculous deliverance was granted John, he was not forsaken. He had always the companionship of heavenly angels, who opened to him the prophecies concerning Christ, and the precious promises of Scripture. These were his stay, as they were to be the stay of God's people through the coming ages. To John the Baptist, as to those that came after him, was given the assurance, "Lo, I am with you all the days, even unto the end." Matthew 28:20, R. V., margin.

For any who are tempted to fear the future these words should fill them full of faith and hope. Not the presumptuous faith that believes we will be sinning until Jesus comes and that He accepts us just as we are without change of character. No, no! How can anyone read scripture and SOP and believe such deception? These promises are given to those who have given their all to God come what may. As we face the trials that come to us He promises to be with us to the very end. We are given strength and courage and endurance as it is needed. Praise God for His faithfulness for under His wings I am safely abiding.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on July 17, 2022, 05:32:32 AM

Amen, Brother Beacon and Sister Dorine!!

Who is leading you? Are you submitting daily your will to God and letting His word direct your path? If so, rejoice in the midst of trial and tribulation, even unto death for the sake of Christ, knowing that His plans are best and His love is infinite. He knows what is best and plans for the good of His creatures. Then trust God. Praise Him in the midst of all the experiences of life, and depend upon the Holy Spirit to produce in you all of the fruits of the Spirit without one missing as you grow in His grace, love and truth, affectionately obeying God's law from the new heart He gives you.

John the Baptist lost his life as he was faithful to the end, and we should not fear to lose our lives if we choose to be faithful, too. As our Savior suffered beyond our comprehension, in His gracious love He offers us fellowship with Him in that experience as we are on the verge of the close of the great controversy between Christ and Satan. Our lives and the witness manifest through us can help hasten Christ's return as He desires living witnesses for Him who reveal His character to the universe! He is preparing a people who enjoy sweetest fellowship with Him though they will suffer with Him in the experience, and He will have a living witness of saints prepared for translation without seeing death, because self is dead and Christ "the hope of glory" shines forth from them spontaneously! Let us this victory offered us be our choice by the love and purity given us through abiding in Jesus moment-by-moment!

"God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. 'Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.' Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor." {The Desire of Ages, page 224, paragraph 5}

We can trust God to lead us this day, for faithfulness today prepares us for faithfulness tomorrow. Only by abiding in Christ by grace through faith will we have strength to resist evil and be empowered by God to bless others unselfishly. Looking upon the Savior's crucifixion puts everything in perspective as we more fully appreciate the cost our salvation!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on July 17, 2022, 10:36:09 AM

Amen my dear friends!! What an encouraging chapter, so very much is explained, not the least of which is that the greatest gift that God can give us is that we become sharers in the suffering of our dear Savior. It is also interesting that God did not attempt to correct the understanding of John about Him not ruling on an earthly throne....until he was imprisoned.

  Like the Saviour's disciples, John the Baptist did not understand the nature of Christ's kingdom. He expected Jesus to take the throne of David; and as time passed, and the Saviour made no claim to kingly authority, John became perplexed and troubled. He had declared to the people that in order for the way to be prepared before the Lord, the prophecy of Isaiah must be fulfilled; the mountains and hills must be brought low, the crooked made straight, and the rough places plain. He had looked for the high places of human pride and power to be cast down. He had pointed to the Messiah as the One whose fan was in His hand, and who would thoroughly purge His floor, who would gather the wheat into His garner, and burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. Like the prophet Elijah, in whose spirit and power he had come to Israel, he looked for the Lord to reveal Himself as a God that answereth by fire.........   
     The Saviour's words, "Blessed is he, whosoever shall find none occasion of stumbling in Me," were a gentle reproof to John. It was not lost upon him. Understanding more clearly now the nature of Christ's mission, he yielded himself to God for life or for death, as should best serve the interests of the cause he loved. 

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Beacon on October 11, 2022, 08:01:02 PM

"God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him."

"Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon."


"Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29.

"Of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."

"I want to be like John the Baptist don't you?? Help us Lord in Sun or Shadow and even in times of Total Darkness to trust that you leading and directing our lives.

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1
All to Jesus I surrender,
All to Him I freely give;
I will ever love and trust Him,
In His presence daily live.
    I surrender all,
  I surrender all.
All to Thee, my blessed Savior,
    I surrender all.
2
All to Jesus I surrender,
Humbly at His feet I bow,
Worldly pleasures all forsaken;
Take me, Jesus, take me now.
3
All to Jesus I surrender,
Make me, Savior, wholly Thine;
Let me feel Thy Holy Spirit,
Truly know that Thou art mine.
4
All to Jesus I surrender,
Lord, I give myself to Thee;
Fill me with Thy love and power,
Let Thy blessing fall on me.
5
All to Jesus I surrender,
Now I feel the sacred flame.
Oh, the joy of full salvation!
Glory, glory to His name!

Lyrics:Judson W. Van de Venter (1855-1939)
Music:Winfield Scott Weeden (1847-1908)

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on October 12, 2022, 05:01:38 AM

When questions came to John the baptist as to the nature of Christ's ministry being the true fulfillment of that of the Messiah, what did John do? In the midst of the struggle, John chose to trust and retain faith in Christ as the Messiah. Well would it be for us to trust God even when the outcome of our life is not what we may have expected, or when Christ unfolds His mission to us in ways that may disappoint our own expectations. The key is remembering the word of God and communing with Him, as in full surrender to Christ all of the fruits of the Spirit will be seen in our lives without one missing. We will be empowered by Christ to keep His commandments.

"But the Baptist did not surrender his faith in Christ. The memory of the voice from heaven and the descending dove, the spotless purity of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit that had rested upon John as he came into the Saviour's presence, and the testimony of the prophetic scriptures,—all witnessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One." {The Desire of Ages, page 216, paragraph 3}

Grace and strength to bear whatever trials God allows will only deepen our faith and create a testimony that will encourage others, too. Let God lead you to trust in Christ without any reservation, for Jesus is coming again VERY SOON!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Dorine on October 12, 2022, 05:53:55 AM

"Satan was permitted to cut short the earthly life of God's messenger; but that life which "is hid with Christ in God," the destroyer could not reach. Colossians 3:3. He exulted that he had brought sorrow upon Christ, but he had failed of conquering John. Death itself only placed him forever beyond the power of temptation. In this warfare, Satan was revealing his own character. Before the witnessing universe he made manifest his enmity toward God and man."

The Christian will constantly walk in complete faith and trust in God. No dreaded circumstance or threat even of death will cause the soul to lose hope in Christ. Each day we are being tested in the smaller crucibles of life preparing us for our unknown personal future that God in His mercy hides from us. It truly is an honor to follow in the footsteps and sufferings of Jesus and remain in complete peace.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on October 12, 2022, 11:53:46 AM

It is encouraging to know that even John had times when he did not understand what was happening
in His life. Things do not always go like we think they should.

     To the desert prophet all this seemed a mystery beyond his fathoming. There were hours when the whisperings of demons tortured his spirit, and the shadow of a terrible fear crept over him. Could it be that the long-hoped-for Deliverer had not yet appeared? Then what meant the message that he himself had been impelled to bear? John had been bitterly disappointed in the result of his mission. He had expected that the message from God would have the same effect as when the law was read in the days of Josiah and of Ezra (2 Chronicles 34; Nehemiah 8, 9); that there would follow a deep-seated work of repentance and returning unto the Lord.

It is also a great blessing to understand that we are honored to share in the sufferings of our Savior.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on January 06, 2023, 06:14:13 PM

Happy Sabbath!! There's always more with Jesus!! John the Baptist had an important ministry to point people to Jesus, but there was still so much more that he did not understand! As we look to Christ and abide in His love, surrendering all we have and are to Him, He unites us to His grace so we can overcome sin and be ready for the future, immortal life!

"The prophet John was the connecting link between the two dispensations. As God's representative he stood forth to show the relation of the law and the prophets to the Christian dispensation. He was the lesser light, which was to be followed by a greater. The mind of John was illuminated by the Holy Spirit, that he might shed light upon his people; but no other light ever has shone or ever will shine so clearly upon fallen man as that which emanated from the teaching and example of Jesus. Christ and His mission had been but dimly understood as typified in the shadowy sacrifices. Even John had not fully comprehended the future, immortal life through the Saviour." {The Desire of Ages, page 220, paragraph 2}

What a joy it is to walk with Christ and look forward to what is to come! Yet in this life we can grasp by faith the experience of being a new creature in Christ as He manifests through us all of the traits of His divine nature without one missing, enabling us to affectionately obey God from the heart He renews!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Beacon on January 06, 2023, 08:07:10 PM

"God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him."

"Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon."

"'Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.' Philippians 1:29."

"Of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."

How many of "US"  think about suffering because of our love for Jesus as being..."The weightiest  trust and the highest honor.?? ...According to the "Voice of the Martyrs" In their reports from various locations around this world, many people right now are being tortured and being killed for their faith in Jesus almost every day. With our strong belief that the "End Times" of earth's history are upon us are we "READY & WILLING"??

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1
O Jesus, I have promised
  To serve Thee to the end;
Be Thou forever near me,
  My Master and my Friend;
I shall not fear the battle
  If Thou art by my side,
Nor wander from the pathway
  If Thou wilt be my Guide.
2
Oh, let me feel Thee near me;
  The world is ever near;
I see the sights that dazzle,
  The tempting sounds I hear;
My foes are ever near me,
  Around me and within;
But, Jesus, draw Thou nearer,
  And shield my soul from sin.
3
Oh, let me hear Thee speaking,
  In accents clear and still,
Above the storms of passion,
  The murmurs of self-will;
Oh, speak to reassure me,
  To hasten, or control;
Oh, speak, and make me listen,
  Thou Guardian of my soul.
4
O Jesus, Thou hast promised
  To all who follow Thee
That where Thou art in glory
  There shall Thy servant be;
And Jesus, I have promised
  To serve Thee to the end;
Oh, give me grace to follow,
  My Master and my Friend.
5
Oh, let me see Thy footmarks,
  And in them plant mine own;
My hope to follow duty
  Is in Thy strength alone.
Oh, guide me, call me, draw me,
  Uphold me to the end;
And then to rest receive me,
  My Savior and my Friend.

Lyrics:John Ernest Bode (1816-1874)
Music:Arthur Henry Mann (1850-1929)
 

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Dorine on January 07, 2023, 06:43:46 AM

"Though no miraculous deliverance was granted John, he was not forsaken. He had always the companionship of heavenly angels, who opened to him the prophecies concerning Christ, and the precious promises of Scripture. These were his stay, as they were to be the stay of God's people through the coming ages. To John the Baptist, as to those that came after him, was given the assurance, "Lo, I am with you all the days, even unto the end." Matthew 28:20, R. V., margin.
    God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."
Happy Sabbath. What an uplifting and encouraging end to this chapter.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on January 08, 2023, 08:48:09 AM

It seems that making a post is an easy thing, but there are only so many hours in a day.  :)  Yesterday there were great blessings and it was a full Sabbath. This post is one that will often be repeated, for it is vital that our people understand God will not only allow great trials, He will measure out a test for us each day. It is the manner in which we grow in strength of character. And, it is an honor to partake in the sufferings of our Lord and Savior. It is a hard lesson  to learn, but there is great joy in learning it. My dear friends here understand as seen by their posts.

  God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Beacon on April 02, 2023, 10:02:29 PM

"God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him."

"Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon."

"Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29."

"Of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor."

The Big Question is.....Will "OUR" Anchor Hold in the time of the Storms of Life?

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Will your anchor hold in the storms of life,
When the clouds unfold their wings of strife?
When the strong tides lift, and the cables strain,
Will your anchor drift or firm remain?
    We have an anchor that keeps the soul
Stedfast and sure while the billows roll,
Fastened to the Rock which cannot move,
  Grounded firm and deep in the Savior’s love.
2
It is safely moored, ’twill the storm withstand,
For ’tis well secured by the Savior’s hand;
And the cables passed from His heart to mine,
Can defy the blast, through strength divine.
3
It will firmly hold in the straits of fear,
When the breakers have told the reef is near;
Though the tempest rave and the wild winds blow,
Not an angry wave shall our bark o’erflow.
4
It will surely hold in the floods of death,
When the waters cold chill our latest breath;
On the rising tide it can never fail,
While our hopes abide within the veil.

Lyrics:Priscilla Jane Owens (1829-1907)
Music:William James Kirkpatrick (1838-1921)

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on April 03, 2023, 05:42:43 AM

Amen Brother Beacon!  Israel of Old was not ready to receive this message of suffering, neither is modern day Israel. Are we ready to partake in His sufferings?

 The disciples came to Jesus with their message, "Art Thou He that should come, or do we look for another?" 

Jesus reproved John. A lack of understanding the gospel message was due to the teachings of the leaders in Israel. It had even perverted the understanding that the "Lamb" had to die. John thought that Jesus was going to rule from an earthly throne.

     The Saviour's words, "Blessed is he, whosoever shall find none occasion of stumbling in Me," were a gentle reproof to John. It was not lost upon him. Understanding more clearly now the nature of Christ's mission, he yielded himself to God for life or for death, as should best serve the interests of the cause he loved.

A lack of understanding the gospel did not stop John from being converted. He loved the Lord our God with His whole heart. So it is today. There will be some Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Muslims, Hindus, and even some Israelites, both Old and New in heaven  even though they did not understand the gospel message or keep the Sabbath.

     "Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist."

The most difficult lesson to learn is one that is unwelcomed to many who profess to love God supremely.

"Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on April 03, 2023, 08:02:29 AM

Amen, Brother Beacon!

And praise God, Brother Richard, that while people from so many various backgrounds--Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Muslims, Hindus, and even some Israelites--as they yielded the heart to what God had revealed to them and were converted, even with limited understanding of truth, God will bring many into His kingdom whose hearts His Spirit had changed. Oh, let us more fully appreciate the gift of salvation and the joy of getting to be both converted and also enjoy the blessing of understanding the present truth for this time! Let us trust God's leading in our lives!

"God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. 'Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.' Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor." {The Desire of Ages, page 224, paragraph 5}

Instead of avoiding the trials that are so often a source of great difficulty in the Christian life, let us embrace what God is seeking to teach us in and through them. From the death of John the Baptist we can learn that God is faithful even when Satan seems to get a supposed victory. We will need to remember clearly the goodness of God that will help sustain those who live in these last days and will go through the time of trouble just before the return of Christ. In all things, God's overruling providence is manifest and His goodness never changes, even when every earthly resource is cut off. God will be with His people to the end. May we not only be fully surrendered to Christ now, but also surrender fully to Him each day so that He can manifest through us all of the fruits of the Spirit without one missing as we are gladly obedient to all of the light of His law that He has revealed to us! Praise God for the overarching providence of God in all things both for this life and for the life to come!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on June 29, 2023, 06:25:04 AM

Amen Pastor Sean!  Why waste an opportunity to glorify God!

   Satan was permitted to cut short the earthly life of God's messenger; but that life which "is hid with Christ in God," the destroyer could not reach. Colossians 3:3. He exulted that he had brought sorrow upon Christ, but he had failed of conquering John. Death itself only placed him forever beyond the power of temptation. In this warfare, Satan was revealing his own character. Before the witnessing universe he made manifest his enmity toward God and man......
     
     God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on June 29, 2023, 10:25:59 AM

Amen, Brother Richard! God knows what is best for the glory of His name and for our eternal good and the eternal good of others! He is trustworthy!

Trust God even when life doesn’t make sense—and look to Jesus to see that He suffered to save us, so we can also suffer and be strong as we abide in His eternal kingdom! All of the fruits of the Spirit without one missing will be revealed in our lives—even in severe trial—as long as we abide in Jesus! Let’s choose to be happy, peaceful and obedient by His grace!

“To many minds a deep mystery surrounds the fate of John the Baptist. They question why he should have been left to languish and die in prison. The mystery of this dark providence our human vision cannot penetrate; but it can never shake our confidence in God when we remember that John was but a sharer in the sufferings of Christ. All who follow Christ will wear the crown of sacrifice. They will surely be misunderstood by selfish men, and will be made a mark for the fierce assaults of Satan. It is this principle of self-sacrifice that his kingdom is established to destroy, and he will war against it wherever manifested.” {The Desire of Ages, page 223, paragraph 4}

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Beacon on September 23, 2023, 09:11:49 PM

"John had been bitterly disappointed in the result of his mission."[/color

"He had expected that the message from God would have the same effect as when the law was read in the days of Josiah and of Ezra (2 Chronicles 34; Nehemiah 8, 9); that there would follow a deep-seated work of repentance and returning unto the Lord."

"For the success of this mission his whole life had been sacrificed."

"Had it been in vain?"

"To the desert prophet all this seemed a mystery beyond his fathoming."

"There were hours when the whispering of demons tortured his spirit, and the shadow of a terrible fear crept over him."

"Could it be that the long-hoped-for Deliverer had not yet appeared?"

"Then what meant the message that he himself had been impelled to bear?

"John had been bitterly disappointed in the result of his mission."

I'm sure that many who have born witness for Jesus under very difficult circumstances have experienced the same feelings of doubt and disappointment and many have even been tortured and killed but...

We need to remember that Jesus does not guarantee a Smooth Flight throughout our earthly journey, However,...He does guarantee a Smooth Successful Landing on the Heavenly Shores to those who remain faithful to Him.

May God grant us to the same courage as John!

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Richard Myers on September 24, 2023, 06:42:50 AM

Amen Brother Beacon!!  The life of a Christian is one of a great battle. A battle that not only glorifies God, but it strengthens the character of all who love the Lord our God with the whole heart. God imparts His righteous character to the truly converted Christian. And, through obedience which becomes a habit, the Christian's life is sanctified to a higher and higher reflection of our Savior.  Therefore we glory in our tribulation knowing it works for our good and God's glory.

God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake." Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor.

Title: Re: The Desire of Ages--22--Imprisonment and Death of John
Post by: Pastor Sean Brizendine on September 24, 2023, 12:03:01 PM

Amen, Brother Beacon and Brother Richard!!

Let God lead.

"God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. 'Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.' Philippians 1:29. And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor." {The Desire of Ages, page 224, paragraph 5}

He has the best plan; when we accept God's will above our own, Christ leads us in true conversion manifest in all of the fruits of the Spirit without one missing! We become obedient witnesses of His will to all in each and every trial!