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15 or so years ago a man by the name of Ron Wyatt began to promote a site in Turkey as "Noah's Ark". He also told that he had found the Red Sea Crossing, and the Ten Commandments.
The claims were all bogus, but many today still believe they were real. We shall use this topic to discuss the matter that all may have the opportunity to learn the truth.
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http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49203
[This message has been edited by Richard Sherwin (edited 03-11-2006).]
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Ron Wyatt also claimed to have discover the ark of covenant. I'm not sure about that.
But the Noah's ark and redsea crossing look legit to me.
Actually where the supposed site of Noah's ark on Mt. Ararat, there is a Noah's ark National park. From some of the photos I've seen, it's quite convincing.
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The creation of such false stories causes reproach to fall not only upon Seventh-day Adventists, but upon Christians in general. And, when those who believed such lies, find out they were misled, some will lose their faith in God.
In the interest of protecting the truth I went on the first trip when Ron Wyatt took a group to visit the "ark" site. I did not go out of curiosity, but went to see what he had really found and to interview the most credible individual who at that time believed the site was that of Noah's ark.
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If it isn't the remains of Noah's ark that is found on the mountains of Ararat, then what is it?
The size of the object fits to the description given in the Bible and the location is right.
Anchorstones have been found, and on several of them 8 crosses are drawn.
The area of these findings is locally called "the valley of the eight".
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Before I went to the site which is not on Arrarat, but to the southeast of it, I contacted a number of scientists involved in the probject. One was Dr. John Baumgartner. He works at Los Alamos. He is a Christian and a very respectable scientist. When I asked him about his work, he said that he was mistaken about it being Noah's Ark. When they did drilling at the site, the cores taken revealed a large rock mass beneath the site that caused the mud to flow around it. This is what is being said is Noah's ark. It is a mud flow.
There is much more, but this answers your specific question, dear brother.
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You are right, of course the object is not on Ararat, but near by it. Sorry about that.
But back to the finding.
If it is a mud flow, than how come there is tar in the material found there? Genesis 6.14 says that Moses was told to pitch the ark within and without.
Another interesting finding is an ostrakon, or a potsherd, with inscriptions on it showing a man releasing two birds, and one bird returning with a leaf in the mouth.
[This message has been edited by Gisle Pedersen (edited 04-09-2006).]
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AIG has several pieces on Ron Wyatts's claims. Here is just one.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i4/report.asp
A search of AIG's site will reveal more.
Brother Sherwin
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Brother Richards Comment:
"The creation of such false stories causes reproach to fall not only upon Seventh-day Adventists, but upon Christians in general. And, when those who believed such lies, find out they were misled, some will lose their faith in God".
I am not convinced that Ron W. was a SDA. He did seem to believe as we do. But when talking about who believed his sightings and who did not, he clamed that "the Seventh-Day Adventists" gave him more un-belief than any other faith. Brother Standish being the one he quoted from most of the time, as he fought it tooth and nail. Don't recall which brother Standish.
I myself am not taking a stand on this one way or the other because I simply don't know. But my eldest son bought his tapes and books. The first thing that hit me was that the tapes appeared to be very "home done" and not at all professional. But I was not going to make a call because of that.
I have done a lot of reading of his books, especially of the one where he answers the questions that people have brought up, including many by brother Standish. He is most convincing. One of the things I recall on the place of the ark and also about the mountain where Moses got the Ten Commandments and where also died is that he has found that the place "man" says these places were was not correct. I can believe that. He gives plenty of proof for this and it makes very good sense. Why, because the Bible really does give clues where the mountain where Moses died is, and it is not where they say it is. So I can believe that he could be correct about the Ark too.
As far as what Dr. John Baumgartner said. I would only take it with a grain of salt at this point.
He really did claim to find the Ark of the Covenant. His story was so believable and amazing that I almost fell for it. To this day there are SDA's that teach it is not true. But I am holding out on that one too because I don't know. His work was closed up on that do to the Jews not wanting it to go any farther and do to getting where they needed to in order to get it out was next to impossible. Getting a small person in there was hard enough. If it is true, it must not have been the right time.
The Turks have no problems with people believing where the ark is, as long as they are not right.
Ron W. almost lost his life going back to where he believes Moses died. And he even returned again after that with the right people so he did not get arrested that time. But they fenced it off after that.
Even reading all I did on it, I cannot say if it is true and not. But I could never say he was wrong, but I don't know if he was right either. I do know that reading it was a powerfully interesting read. How one man could claim all of it with such convincing proof (and believe me he had it) is something I don't know how one man could make up all that. He also had the answer for the real place that Moses crossed over and all the E. army was killed. It made powerful sense.
But even feeling this way, I can't say it is true or even some of it is. I don't feel anyone knows except maybe those who may not want the world to know the true answer. I leave it in God's hands. In time, if it is His Will, man may know the answer to some of these things without doubt.
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With Christian Love,
Sister Marie
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My first contact with Ron Wyatt was in Sacramento when he presented his information along with a video of the site and the work that Turkey was doing which he said included building a four lane highway out to the site.
At that time he said they were going to begin excavation shortly. The year was 1989. At the GC session in Indianapolis the next year he had a booth and they said they had not yet begun excavation, but it would be very soon.
As far as I know there has been no excavation. I went to the site in 1991 with the first group tour. My purpose was to interview the most credible real scientist associated with the Wyatt group. He was a professor at Attaturk University. When I asked him if there was enough evidence to persuade the scientific community that the object was manmade, he replied "no". He said that more work needed to be done. That samples needed to be gotten and tested.
Now, this was after Wyatt and company had been telling everyone that testing had been done and that there was "scientific" proof. What we are dealing with is a lot of things that are not truth. And, more than this, I believe that there is wisdom that exceeds that of Ron Wyatt and it does not come from God.
Did you know that 3ABN had taken a camera crew to the site that Wyatt claimed was where the ten commandments were buried? He would not let the camera crew in. Danny finally said he was going in anyway. Nothing was there.
How many know that he claims to have found the grave of Noah and his wife? And that the body of Noah was dug up and removed after he made this revelation? And that the way he found the grave was by supernatural leading.
When one gets into this subject, he very quickly finds that he will have to accept one of two facts. Ron Wyatt was either led by God or Satan.
And when leaving the site, we traveled down a winding two lane road to a "highway" that was indeed being worked on. It was not until I got home and was looking at the video that it came to me that this four lane super highway that Wyatt was telling everybody Turkey was constructing to the site was not for that purpose at all. The highway was not four lanes and it was not going to the site. It went by the site into the USSR. It was two lanes and was being constructed for the trucks that were hauling fuel into Turkey from the USSR. Yet, he took the pictures and included them in his video he showed in 1989 in an attempt to give validity to his project.
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I am glad to know these things brother Richard. They are things I did not know before. You are right, all the information he gave had to be more than man could do alone and he had to have help from God or satan. One thing that is for sure, God does not use lies to prove a point.
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With Christian Love,
Sister Marie
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- I’ve heard a different version regarding 3ABN. From what I heard they agreed to not put information on air
- From what sources can we confirm that Ron Wyatt claimed to have found Noahs grave and even his remains? A tombstone is found, I’ve seen pictures of it, but I’ve never heard anything about any bodies being found.
- Regarding the highway, maybe Ron Wyatt himself received misinformation?
- I have friends that have visited both Sodom and Gomorra, and the crossing site at the Red Sea, both of which were discovered by Ron Wyatt. These findings are documented and proven beyond any doubt. One friend told he literally ”waded” in ashes at Sodom, I have even smelled the sulphur from one of the loads of sulphur balls that is found at the site. Egyptian carriage wheels have been found at the site by The Red Sea. There are too many proofs to mention here. What I’m trying to say here is that these other findings support the fact that R. Wyatt was telling the truth. The findings of the Arc of the Covenant is a little bit too controversial for the time being, as very little has been proved. But is seems very trustworthy to me.How do the "experts" explain these findings that speak for themselves?
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What a fantastic subject. I forget so much now-days. But that was one of the things that amazed me was all that proof. But not being there I still could only say nay or yay. But like I said before, the read is totally amazing and very believable. I am glad to hear of a on-site account that is faviorable.
Brings to mind the 10 spys. Only two were faviorable, but they were right too. Something to at least think about. :)
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With Christian Love,
Sister Marie
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What I am trying to say tactifully is that there is enough evidence to show that not only is the ark of the covenant not found, but neither is there evidence to believe in the Noah's ark story. Yet, this is not what has been passed around by many including Ron Wyatt himself.
I talked with Danny Shelton before I went to Turkey. There was no ark of the covenant. This is not second hand, but right from Danny who was there with his camera crew.
Before I left for Turkey I talked with Dr. Baumgartner. He told me of his sorrow for having contributed to the story. He is a real scientist and a Christian. It is a mud flow around a large rock formation.
I also talked with the sub-surface radar expert who Ron Wyatt was quoting. And, he said that Ron was misrepresenting what he had found. In other words, Ron was lying about the sub-surface radar scans.
And the last absolute fact that comes from the scientific community came right from the most credible member of the Wyatt group, the Attaturk professor who stated that there was not enough "evidence" to say the site was that of a man made object.
The rest of what I saw and heard is an amazing story that I find impossible for anyone to make up without help, including the statement of Ron that the ark was buried beneath the place of crucifixtion so that the blood of Christ ran onto the mercy seat.
Well....if the ark has been found, then I am sure that you will see it. But, you will not see it, because it has not been found. That story was made up 15 years ago.
And if you are interested in how much Ron Wyatt followed the light we have been given as a people, we were told to drink Pepsi while in Turkey because the water was not safe.
And, you may wonder about why the "million dollar" visitor center at the site appears as an abandoned building. Now, that was back in 1991. If you want to see what is being promoted as Noah's Ark, ask someone about the condition of this "visitor's center" today. My guess is that it may not even be standing. But, according to Ron, there were plans to turn the four lane highway into a jet landing strip to accomodate the throngs of people who would want to see "Noah's Ark".
One of the difficulties we face as a people is the lack of crediblity of many in leadership positions. This tends to breed trust in some who have gone off the deep end. Finding Noah's ark would be a great discovery, but it has not been found. There are many who are looking and they have rejected this site many times. Are they all blind?
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Again if you want to read more of the claims of Ron Wyatt go to:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/
and do a search of his name. There is much info there.
Brother Sherwin
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This website talkes about "why" it is not true. And it also mentions findings by the Fellow that brother Richard mentioned. And to follow the Website by Brother RichardS will take us to many other places to check things out. It does not seem like it is believed. But most importent to me is being about to read why.
OOPS: I forgot to put in the website, I will also add where you can get other websites concerning Ron Wyatt and his claims.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i2/ark.asp
For Other Websites: http://www.answersingenesis.org/search/default.aspx?qt=Ron%20Wyatt
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With Christian Love,
Sister Marie
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Richard, you said that you talked with Danny Shelton before you went to Turkey, and that there was no ark of the covenant. I understood this as coming directly from him.
Is the fact that someone says ”its not there” a sufficient proof? Ron Wyatt said that it was there. Is this sufficient proof?
You also said that you talked with the sub-surface radar expert who Ron Wyatt was quoting, and that he said that Ron was misrepresenting what he had found. You came to the conclusion that Ron was lying about the sub-surface radar scans.
According to Joe Rosetta, the vice-president of Geophysical Survey Systems, the radar scan was legitimate. Can you tell more about the involvement of the "sub-surface radar expert"?
A comment to RichardS: I’m working on the ”Answeringenesis”-report. Due to a rather messy structure in the report I actually find it somewhat difficult to read.
They give the conclusion to the research first, or "The Main Claims at a Glance" as they call it, and then they leave it to the reader to find where the actual issues are addressed. That is not a good way of presenting a scientific research.
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From what I have been told by a friend who have had a lot to do with Ron Wyatt also on travels in the middle east, the issue with 3ABN is as follows:
Danny, his then wife Linda and his brother joined Ron Wyatt in going to Jerusalem in order to film the finding of the arc of the covenant. When in Jerusalem, Ron suggested that they would pray whether they should go down to the arc of the covenant or not. They asked for a sign, and the sign said "no". 2 of the 3ABN-team still wanted to go down. Apparantly Ron took them to a wrong place in order to avoid any confrontation at the hotel. The official story has since then been that they found nothing, which is true. The arc of the covenant weren't at the place that Ron showed them.
There allegedly also were some disagreements regarding exclusive rights to show the film on tv.
Another friend of mine has tried to get this story verified by Danny Shelton himself, but he appeared dismissive on the phone.
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Brother Gisle Ron said he "took him to the wrong place?" If God tells me to not reveal where something is, why would I lie about it and take a person to a place that is not where I told him I would go? This does not appear to be a Christian way of acting, does it?
Ron tells a story that an Israeli reporter went to that site without him and was shot and killed. And it is interesting how he found "Noah's" grave. Supernatual power involved.
As for the sub-surface radar expert, you may contact him personally as I did. The man I am discussing is who Ron said, in his early video, did the radar scans that showed the boat. If you rely on what Ron Wyatt has said, you will be misled. You need to go to the "experts" not the ones who have no expertise in science. As I said, the only scientist that I know of who was still involved in the site in 1991 was the Turkish professor who said there was not enough scientific evidence to convince scientists that it was a man made object.
It is interesting to still find those who believe these things 15 years later when there still is no proof, no excavations, etc. In 1989 the excavations were soon to get under way. In that year the Turkish government was building a super highway. What has Turkey done with the site in the last 15 years? If it were the ark, as Ron said, the whole world would beat a path to it. Turkey would indeed have a national treasure worth billions of dollars. Think about it. Almost a billion Muslims. A billion Catholics, A billion Christians, and many Jews. If it was the ark, we would have seen excavations many years ago. Yes, we can listen to those who say that God does not want either of the arks revealed to the world and who can argue with that? But, I don't believe this is the reason we have not seen either of the arks.
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The point was made that Turkey would benefit much financially if Noah's ark had indeed been found. Would Turkey make the necessary investment to benefit from such a discovery? Of course they would. Here is an article that has nothing to do with Noah, but it does reveal that Turkey is interested in tourism and is willing to invest money in sites that will return a profit. One then has to ask, "why not Ron Wyatt's Ark?"
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As I read all this, and think of all I have read in the information from Ron W. I am not at all sure who is right. But one thing I will bring out about this part of brother Richard's Quote:
"You need to go to the "experts" not the ones who have no expertise in science"
I have to ask this:
How many lived in Noah's day when they must have went to the men who "should have known the answers"? The Science Men of that day.
How many leaders will draw the correct path in the last days, or will this be laid on willing lay people?
Again, I am not saying I know which side is right, but this comment: "You need to go to the "experts" not the ones who have no expertise in science" as I see it, is a comment that needs to be re-thought.
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With Christian Love,
Sister Marie
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Sister Marie, I understand what you are trying to say. Normally I would agree with your sentiment. However, the difference is that Noah was under direct guidence from the the Lord. The Lord guided Noah in every step.
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Based on evidence from local turkish people and maps, we know that the main road in the ark-area has been moved, and a new road leading to the ark has been built. This is a fact. I know a tour-guide who has led several tours to the site. She knows the circumstances very well. She and her husband were friends of Ron Wyatt, and according to them Ron Wyatt was a very caring and thoughtful man, a good christian. One bad decision doesn't disqualify a man's work. In that case we are all lost. In any case it wasn't particularly christian of the two people from 3ABN, to go against a sign from God either.
After the initial enthusiasm over the finding, a war broke out between the kurds and the turks, and the area was closed for a long time. There is a military camp right by the site, and the control is quite strict in this area, as kurdish seperatists crossed the border from Iran right by the ark. Maybe this has something to do with the fact that this finding isn't the widespread tourist attraction that it could be?
As I read about the finding, look at pictures and hear personal testimonies, to me it looks like this is the real deal. But then, the "experts" might not agree on that. And I wonder why.
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If Ron Wyatt's finds were in fact true the world, especially the Christian world, would be beating a path to those sites. The media would be all over it. A few years ago someone unearthed what some were saying was a burial box for James, the brother of Jesus. This made world headlines, imagine how much more intrest the ark (either of them) would generate. And how it is that one person could find all these things that hundreds of people had been looking for for untold years?
Brother "skeptical" Sherwin
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If the finding of Noahs ark did get the same media attention as did the finding of the burial box of James, then we would have a completely different situation.
Ron Wyatt did appear on CNN once though. I am not familiar with the angle the presentation took.
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Brother Sherwin, you are correct that they thought they found the burial box to James. When this happened I happen to have a subscription to BAR (Biblical Archelogy). Just a few months later it was determined to be a fake. But it was a very good fake. So many claims and often times they are not what they thought at first.
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Brother Jim, I am in the valley of decision concerning Ron W's discoveries. As were many in Noah's day. Some were not sure and others were sure due to asking others that were said to be wiser. Both were wrong. I am just saying that we too could be wrong, and the one that really is not getting the attention of the masses could be the one that is right. Sounds to me that we have "hear say" for and against. Is there any real proof for or against. If not, then one needs to at least realize it is possible that it could be true.
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With Christian Love,
Sister Marie
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Sister Marie, we are not discussing something that cannot be proved. You talk about "hear say" for and against. What I have said is not "hear say", but what I experienced first hand. I talked with the experts on both sides. I looked at the site, walked on it. Listened to Wyatt. Saw the highway being constructed into Russia. Saw the run down "visitor's center". From the most credible scientist who said he believes teh site is man made, I heard him say that there is no evidence to support his thoughts on this. He said that more work would have to be done in order to convince the scientific community. He was hoping that work would be done soon. This was 1991. At that time Ron Wyatt had already been making scientific claims.
I talked with the most respected scientist who believed it was man made and after he did his testing, repented of his involvement. He is a Christian. I talked with the sub surface radar man and he said he had been misrepresented in Wyatt's video. He did not believe it was a boat.
This is not "hear say". People want to beleive this, but they must do their homework before they let their reason go. I did not rule out what Wyatt had said even though it was hard to swallow. I did my homework and traveled to the site to interview the scientist who was most credible and he could not offer the evidence he knew was needed. That is the end of the matter. If what Wyatt was saying was true, he would have confirmed it, but he did not.
Too many people have believed what you call "hear say". Christians risk losing their influence with people when they pass on such information. Sadly, our church has suffered from this because Wyatt was seen to be a Seventh-day Adventist and many of our faith continue to "push" these legends. It is not good. It is time to put it all behind us and hopefully those not of our faith will forget what has been promoted by some of our people.
There is no hard evidence, period. All ought to ask for evidence before they get excited and pass on that excitement to others. There is only a hope and much "hear say" from the promoters of Wyatt's claims.
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For those interested in this topic you might be interested in reading some of the material from Dr. David Merling. He is a professor at Andrews who has Ph.D. in archaeology and teaches Old Testament, ancient history and archaeological classes. I think it is worth the time to read.
http://www2.andrews.edu/~merling/
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I myself am not promoting this. Why? Because I am not convinced to the point of being sure. But I do hold out the possibility. I don't close the door to it completely. The comment: "If what Wyatt was saying was true, he would have confirmed it, but he did not." does not prove he was wrong, it shows they can't say he was right. There is a difference.
Just because we can't prove there are angels we know it is true. Not because there is proof by the worlds standards, but rather by faith. Faith in the Word of God. Why doesn’t God give us more than faith in this? Because faith is what we need to have.
Just because we can't prove this is true don't mean it is not. It means that man hasn't enough knowledge to go that far after so many years. It may not be true... I am open to that too. I have not closed the door either way. It seems some are so willing to say it is not true due to what people say. They don't seem to be proving to me anyway, that it is not true, only that they can't say it is true either. For me there is a difference.
Either way it is not a Salvation issue. And we all have the right to close the door on it, leave it open, or believe in it. We are all going to see it differently. It is this way with many things.
Like I said, I won't promote it to anyone, but I've not closed the door either.
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With Christian Love,
Sister Marie
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You are right, Sister Marie, until you have some evidence to support this one way or another, it is just a story. After almost 20 years of actively promoting the site, you would think that would be some scientific evidence? I gave him the benefit of the doubt after a year and things had not proved to be true. But after this long, few ought to consider the claim credible since no one is rushing to the site to show it to the world.
There are many who would like to find the ark, but God has not thus led anyone to it, if it even exists any more.
The reason for beginning this topic is to shed light on the subject so that it can be put away. As I said, there are many who already know the truth and they do not think well of those who still persist in thinking this may be Noah's ark. The other unbelievable claims the man made gives us reason to doubt the man's honesty. Yes, God can do anything He wants, but in this case, He did not lead Ron Wyatt and the sooner our people know the truth, the better.
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Richard, regarding your last post.
You can only say this if you believe the critics. And that would mean that there is evidence after all. I would really like to see this evidence. A link to the answersingenesis-report is shared in this forum, but as far as I can say this report appear as merely a compilation of claims. Documentation is lacking to support their conclusions.
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When a person makes a claim they usually will back up that claim with some sort of evidence other than their word. From what I've been able to see Ron was able to offer very little evidence to support his claims. We, along with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, have to look at the evidence and make the choice as to weather we are going to believe some thing or not. We can't let our desire to believe something cloud our decision making.
In this case you have to research Ron's claims and prayerfully chose who you will believe based on the evidence.
I've seen very little evidence to support his fantastic claims, in fact I've seen much evidence showing him to be wrong.
Brother Sherwin
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Have you read his books, especially the one that answers the questions of those who do not believe?
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With Christian Love,
Sister Marie
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Sister Glass are you asking me? Yes I did many years ago and I was not convinced by it. I wish I could believe that he discovered all those wonderful things. This would make him the greatest archaeologist of all time and prove to the world the Bible was right. I hope very much those things will be uncovered someday and the world will see the truth. And if Ron's claims are ever proven correct I'll praise God.
Brother Sherwin
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I was just wondering. They were very convincing to me. But I am "very" naive concerning many things. I missed so much learning in school due to illness and never did learn true ethics of study. Remembering I feel is a big key to one enjoying school and I did not have it even then. I wish I could read his books and see in them where he is wrong. I do feel as you do, if they are ever proven correct I will indeed praise God. :)
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With Christian Love,
Sister Marie
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Brother Gisle, the burden is upon Wyatt's promoters to prove their claim. They have not done so in the scientific community.
David Merling Phd has explained that Wyatt's claim of evidence is not evidence at all. And, as I said the most credible scientist working with Wyatt said that there was no evidence to convince scientists of the claim.
Here is what David Merline posted at his site in regards to one of Wyatt's claims: "It has been claimed by Wyatt that the chemical analysis he has had done prove that the Durupinar site is a decomposed wooden boat. His evidence is two lab reports which show that the carbon percentages are different within the formation (4.95%) and outside the formation (1.88%). He says these tests "positively prove it to be composed of very ancient wood and metal"(p. 12 no. 3, pp. 7-8, and his charts on pp. 27-28). What Wyatt does not tell his readers is that both of these carbon percentages fall within the normal bounds of soil. Such percentages do not show evidence of ancient wood.
According to Morris the rocks in this formation were once molten, cooling to become an 'ophiolite belt,' meaning the Durupinar site contains rocks and dirt that have been altered due to the molten process. It is this phenomenon that has elevated the carbon percentage of the Durupinar site's soil. This same chemical process is also responsible for deceiving Wyatt into believing he has found 'metal brackets and rust.' According to Morris the site has many manganese nodules which are high in iron, which could be mistaken for iron by someone ignorant of geology."
What shall we do with this? Shall we ignore it?
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Hi all, I'm new to this forum. Just posted a decent length post but it disappeared so I don't feel like retyping it all out. But I feel Wyatt was bogus too. One rumor had it that he claimed to have taken the blood that he found on the mercy seat to a lab and it came back different than any human blood ever recorded. Anyone else hear that rumor?
God bless,
Brother W
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Just curious why just now I was not able to get into any of the other forums, even AFTER I have registered?
Brother W
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Brother W, it is good to have you join us. And we look forward to your fellowship.
However, you will not be fully registered until you send an email to the webmaster requesting access. You will find the instructions under the Membership Agreement which can be found here...
http://remnant-online.com/ubb/Forum42/HTML/000006.html
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Brother W. Welcome. What you said is true. He tells about this in one of his books. Amazing how anyone could have just thought up this hole story. Amazing, but I guess possible. :(
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With Christian Love,
Sister Marie
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Thanks to both of you for your reply. I'll check that out.
W
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I'd like to read more about the supposed finding of Noah's Ark! Can anyone verify this is true? Sure would be a wonderful find for the world to hear about.
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I know nothing about the latest claim, but all the previous ones have proved to be false, so I would be cautious. The chances of a wooden structure lasting for more than 4000 years is pretty slim, but it would be great if it could be verified--although how would that be done?
Of more significance would be the discovery of the Ark of the Covenant with the 10 Commandments inside.
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I just thought someone on Remnant must know more about it, since the YouTube was posted on the main web cover here. I decided to Google and found the information related to it, from April 25, 2010. Scientists, of course, on both sides have their own opinions, both are differing. But, for me, I think it looks credible...perhaps it's because I 'want it to be true' :)
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There is a warning there for us. We have our own Noah's Ark just across the valley from this one. :(
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I may be wrong but doubt if finding the ark or the Ten commandments will change many minds. After all, we have the Bible surviving thousands of years and most are not moved by it. If it takes tangible proof to persuade a skeptic he is apt to claim "hoax". If it takes tangible proof to confirm the faithful then I wonder how solid they were to begin with and how they would hold up under pressure. Since carbon dating is a fraud who will be able to prove what is authentic and what is not? Satan will use supernatural power and mircales that would make two tables of stone look like dry bones to the masses of people.
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I think you are right about that, dear brother. But, there will be some who will have their faith strengthened by such a discovery. There are others who will never believe, though Moses be raised from the grave.
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I am curious if there is doubt this is true regarding the claims of the discovery of the "ark"..why is it posted on the front page of the the Remnant as NEW news?? I thought it passed everyones approval here to post such a thing on the front page. Colleen
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It is not a claim by Seventh-day Adventists. We have a topic on our own impostor who claims to have discovered the ark in a private forum. I guess we could give an opinion on the story, but I am not sure what to say. Each can read the story and form their own opinion. That there were pictures and it was picked up by the major news organizations is why I posted it. The headline does not say the ark was found, but questions if it was found.
We are in the process of updating the front end here and ought to be able to keep things current. Right now, we are quite far behind in a number of projects. :( At the top of our list are two new web sites that will be used for outreach to non-Seventh-day Adventists. Since Elder Wilson has taken over as GC president, we may be able to relax in regards to evangelism in the church and concentrate on evangelism in the world! :) Won't that be nice!! When revival and reformation comes, we can pack up and do the work entrusted to us as a people.
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Much truth with error and speculation mixed in. I was wondering what religious group would put this out or if it is just an individual. (I didn't read any of the small print or credits so it may have answered that question)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9DKgpHLZs28#!
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It is amazing how such things continue on. The man is dead, but his lie continues on. Ron Wyatt was a Seventh-day Adventist. He was not an archeologist, but some kind of medical lab worker. In 1991 I went on his first tour to "Noah's ark" and then departed from the tour to go into Romania the year after the their revolution. My purpose for going on Wyatt's tour was to interview the only credible scientist on his team. I had already interviewed two others who knew Wyatt to be wrong. Both were working previously with him.
The geologist I interviewed was from Attaturk University in Eastern Turkey. When I asked him if they had enough evidence for the world to believe what Ron claimed to be Noah's Ark, was a man made object, he said "no". He was honest, Ron Wyatt was not. 3ABN took a camera crew to Israel to video the Ark of the Covenant, but there was no Ark of the Covenant. When at the "Noah's Ark" site, I was shown what was claimed to a part of the Ark. I threw them away, that is how far fetched Wyatt's stories are. We have a topic on this elsewhere. I will see if I can find it.
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I took a look at the video and if you go to 15:54 you will see how dangerous this man was, as is his influence that remains. He either was a great liar or Satan had a direct line to him. I suppose it could be both. His arm was supernaturally pointing out things. He told me that is how he found Noah's grave and his bones with a belt buckle. He said he was driving in a cab when his arm went out pointing to Noah's grave. The bones and belt are no longer around. He said they were stolen. He was a great story teller and had power to persuade many that he had found many things. The Red Sea crossing, Noah's Ark, the Ark of the Covenant, Sodom and Gomorrah, etc.
We who believe, want to believe such things, but not if they are a lie. Some will be lost because of this false teacher when they discover they were duped. It is very sad. Satan continues to want to bring reproach upon His church and the Bible.
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Very interesting. Never heard of the man. I will relay this info to the person that sent it to me. It's someone we knew when we lived in Ohio in the early 90's. Richard you are a wealth of information.
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Here are some other links involving Wyatt and his claims, Dorine:
Signs of the Times Board: Ron Wyatt's Noah's Ark
http://remnant-online.com/smf/index.php?topic=6697.msg71066#msg71066
Lessons from Nature Board: Ron Wyatt's Noah's Ark
http://remnant-online.com/smf/index.php?topic=3957.msg52051#msg52051
Worship Board: Noah's Ark and Ark of the Covenant Found Says Wyatt
http://remnant-online.com/smf/index.php?topic=1015.msg17207#msg17207
Education Board: Why Wyatt's Ark Ain't
http://remnant-online.com/smf/index.php?topic=855.msg15015#msg15015
Religious Liberty Board: Creating Unnecessary Opposition
http://remnant-online.com/smf/index.php?topic=10084.msg110187#msg110187
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Thank you Sybil. I shall take a look. It may never come up again but if it does at least I will have the information I need.
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Twenty two years later and still no excavation.
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This Video is very interesting. Ron died but why haven't others keep up the study of this sight till they could say without a doubt that they truly found it. It sounds promising...but then nothing more is done. And could it be on this mount and not where so many thought it was? Will God go farther than using nature to point out the shape of the ark as it appears to be?
On the other hand, it could be that all those interested in this are being bought off. People do not want to find out that the Bible is correct. That would make a big difference in how they look at the Bible and Creation. I feel we could know more, but it is being kept quiet. (Just my thoughts this evening)
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One reason nothing more is being done could be the fact that so many of the claims made by Ron Wyatt have been shown to be bogus. He claims to have seen the Ark of the Covenant. If that were true, Israel would want to trumpet that find far and wide. But the fact is that he did not see the Ark. As far as Noah's ark is concerned, many other Christian organizations have been looking, but to date there is no conclusive evidence that it has been found. Some of the film footage from years ago appeared more promising than anything recently, but still nothing conclusive.
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I don't believe the Jew's would want to have that information to get out at all. The reason being that Ron W. had it all tied up with Christ death and proof of Jesus being the Son of God. All the detail in that one always did seem to be a bit much to me.
It would be nice however, if the Ark were found (either one of them). I'd like to see what people would do with the proof/creation story. We have run on faith all this time, would proof make any difference to them now? It would be interesting and I feel some would believe.
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Here is a picture of the mudslide called "Noah's Ark". The visitor's center is also shown. When I was there in 1991 it was vacant and in need of maintenance.
(http://remnant-online.com/Images/ark3.jpg)
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Oh dear. That stretches the imagination, Br Myers!
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Scientific evidence has yet to be found at the Turkey site that Ron Wyatt claimed to be Noah's ark. We do have some evidence that there was human habitation in the area around the time of Noah. Wyatt said excavation was to begin in 1990, but they did not ever start excavating the site. Another scientific group has an interest in studying the site:
Rock and soil samples taken from the area where the ruins of ‘Noah’s Ark‘ are believed to be located in Doğubayazıt district of Ağrı were examined, and the first results of the research were announced. According to the results, it was determined that there were human activities in the region from the period between 5500 and 3000 BC.
Professor Faruk Kaya stated, “With the dating, it is not possible to say that the ship is here. Extensive research is required for this to emerge. In the upcoming period, we have reached an agreement to collaborate on joint research led by Istanbul Technical University (İTÜ), Andrew University, and Ağrı İbrahim Çeçen University (AİÇÜ). In the future, these three universities will continue their work in this field.”
Rock and soil samples taken from the area where the ruins of ‘Noah’s Ark‘ are believed to be located in Doğubayazıt district of Ağrı were examined, and the first results of the research were announced. According to the results, it was determined that there were human activities in the region from the period between 5500 and 3000 BC.
Professor Faruk Kaya stated, “With the dating, it is not possible to say that the ship is here. Extensive research is required for this to emerge. In the upcoming period, we have reached an agreement to collaborate on joint research led by Istanbul Technical University (İTÜ), Andrew University, and Ağrı İbrahim Çeçen University (AİÇÜ). In the future, these three universities will continue their work in this field.”A team from Istanbul Technical University (İTÜ) and Ağrı İbrahim Çeçen University (AİÇÜ) has started in the area where the remains of Noah’s Ark are believed to be located.
A large number of samples of soil and rock fragments taken from the field by the team, including geophysics, chemistry, and geoarchaeology experts, were sent to İTÜ’s laboratories for examination.
“Laboratory examinations of experts will probably be concluded after one and a half to two months. Based on these results, we will determine a roadmap,” said professor Faruk Kaya, the vice-rector of the AİÇÜ, which has been continuing its work in the field since 2003.
The remnants were first discovered by map engineer Capt. Ilhan Durupınar in 1959 during a reconnaissance flight to map the eastern Anatolia region. The area is in danger as it is threatened by landslides and giant crevasses have already formed nearby. For that reason, the “Ağrı Mountain and Noah’s Ark Research Team” was formed with the cooperation between Aurl=IÇU and ITU for scientific research to be conducted on the ruins. source (https://arkeonews.net/the-ruins-believed-to-belong-to-noahs-ark-date-back-to-5500-3000-years-bc/#google_vignette)