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Re: Milk and Dairy Products
« Reply #60 on: July 26, 2008, 12:31:20 PM »
When the animals were not diseased, milk was an important food throughout the world. It was in small amounts beneficial and economical. But, going beyond that, it was not needed for good health if a wide variety of fruits, grains, vegetables, seeds, and nuts were available.

In the beginning it was not given man to drink milk. When God shortened man's life to 120 years, He then allowed man to eat animal products.  I would assume that to move back to the original diet will have an opposite effect, extending our lives past that of those who continue to use animal flesh, fish, foul, eggs, and milk.

We need to keep our arguments on sound ground. Milk, like the fish that Jesus ate, provided nourishment at one point in time, prior to present state of the world where the animals are diseased. Those diseases are contracted by humans who eat the diseased flesh, milk, and eggs.
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« Reply #61 on: July 27, 2008, 05:09:47 PM »
Protein and Calcium

The reason so many, including many SDAs eat meat and drink milk is that so they can get an adequate amount of protein and calcium in their diets.  Medical research is showing that this approach is misguided at best. And this information has been around for some time.  Indeed, the high-protein American diet has been found to cause osteoporosis (bone loss), and other problems. Consider the following:

*  "Even when eating 1,400 mg of calcium daily, one can lose up to 4% of his or her bone mass each year while consuming a high-protein diet."  --American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 1979; 32.

* "Increasing one's protein intake by 100% may cause calcium loss to double." --Journal of Nutrition, 1981; 32.

* "What appears to be important in bone metabolism is not calcium intake, but calcium balance.  The loss of bone integrity among many post menopausal white women probably results from genetics and from diet and lifestyle factors.  Research shows that calcium losses are increased by the use of animal protein, salt, caffeine, tobacco, and by physical inactivity."  --Neal Barnard, MD, Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine, in Understanding Health, December 1999.

* Bogert, Briggs and Calloway, writing in Nutrition and Physical Fitness, explain that when too much meat and other high protein foods are eaten, sulfuric, phosphoric and other acids are produced.  The body seeks to neutralize these excess acids by drawing on the alkali reserves--calcium and other alkaline or base-forming elements of the body.  These also include magnesium, zinc, boron and other minerals involved in the health of the bones and teeth. 

* The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, March 1983 reported the results of the largest study of bone density in the U.S.   Researchers at Michigan State and other major universities found that by age 65:

Male vegetarians had an average measurable bone loss of 3%.
Male meat-eaters had an average measurable bone loss of 7%.
Female vegetarians had an average measurable bone loss of 18%.
Female meat-eaters had an average measurable bone loss of 35%.

* A correct vegetarian diet whith emphasis on adequate calcium and other minerals is most important in guarding against osteoporosis.  Researchers using double isotope analysis demonstrated that calcium availability in kale and select green vegetables are the number one natural source of top-grade calcium.  Other plant sources include fortified soy milk, broccoli, dried figs, almonds, whole grains, whole legumes, blackstrap molasses, and seeds and nuts.

Other critical nutrients that build and preserve bone health include magnesium, phosphorus, silicon, zinc, manganese, boron, copper and vitamin D (the sunshine vitamin).  Vitamins C, E, and K also play vital roles in battling osteopososis Calcium retention in the bones is also favored by adequate weight-bearing exercise such as brisk walking, etc.

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Re: Milk and Dairy Products
« Reply #62 on: July 28, 2008, 05:36:10 AM »
Protein and Calcium

The reason so many, including many SDAs eat meat and drink milk is that so they can get an adequate amount of protein and calcium in their diets.  Medical research is showing that this approach is misguided at best. And this information has be around for some time.  Indeed, the high-protein American diet has been found to cause osteoporosis (bone loss), and other problems.
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This information has been available to SDA's for a long time.  Neil Nedley's book, Proof Positive has pages and pages of valuable information on this and other related subjects.  And, yet, in our beloved (formerly beloved? :-\) Adventist Review we have 2 doctors who seem to completely ignore this type of research.  This magazine is supposed to be an avenue for dissemination of important information for our church members, whether it be related our spiritual welfare or our health.  Unfortunately this potential function is being vastly under utilized.  Of course, if Adventists can't take the SOP's word for it, they may not be inclined to accept scientific evidence, either. (Many SDA's still believe in a form of "theistic evolution," and a world much older than 6000 years, in spite of mounting scientific evidence to the contrary.) 

At our store we are constantly trying to disabuse our customers of the myth that one needs lots of protein, that meat is the best way of getting it, and that one needs dairy products to get adequate calcium.  It is an uphill battle.
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« Reply #63 on: July 28, 2008, 08:24:15 AM »
This is a most serious subject. The lies being taught about the need for milk are indeed just that, lies. And, some will be jailed for not feeding their children milk because of these lies. Others will contract cancer and other diseases because their parents followed the counsel by the "experts" which now include the two doctors who continue the lie.

Our church has become the tail and is being wagged by Satan.  Very sad. There are many in the church who are on the cutting edge of health reform. But, they are made to look like fanatics and extremists by many in the ministry in local churches and now at the GC.  It is sad that this subject has to be discussed in an open forum, but the sin is public and therefore the reproof must be also. The influence must be countered for the sake of the children.
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« Reply #64 on: July 28, 2008, 09:11:18 AM »
The American Dairy Association does not want us to know that it actually leaches more calcium from our bones to digest dairy products than we get from them.

Also, protein is seriously overrated as a necessity in our diets.  Sports medicine 'experts' and coaches push a high protein diet for our student athletes.  Physicians push a high protein diet for children and adults.  The truth is that protein is recycled by the human body.  It takes but a small fraction of protein that Americans consume for the optimal operation of the body.  No wonder we have such a high incidence of cancers and heart disease, to name a few of these diseases brought on by this practice.

According to a physician in Washington state who dedicated fourty years of his practice to the autoimmune diseases, i.e. MS and Lupus, those patients he treated by conventional (worldly accepted) means including drugs were either wheel chair bound or dead in ten years.  Those he treated by diet had no further progression of the disease in ten years!  Treating by diet meant removal of animal source protein, especially dairy products.  Casine is the worst protein for the human body there is.

This physician also made an observation that the further people live from the equator the more prevalent animal source food is in the diet.  Also, the further people live from the equator the higher the incidence of MS and Lupus.

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« Reply #65 on: July 28, 2008, 09:37:58 AM »
In the book Nutrition for Vegetarians by Agatha Thrash M.D. and Calvin Thrash M.D. page 35 states:

If sufficient carbohydrates are present in the diet, very little protein needs to be taken in. If there is short supply of carbohydrates, proteins will be utilized for energy, but inefficiently, leaving over some parts of the protein molecule that cannot be converted to energy. Approximately 58% of amino acid molecules stored in the body, and approximately 10% of fat molecules stored in the body can be converted to energy. The remnants of the molecules of both amino acids and fats must be dealt with as waste matter in the biochemical systems. It can be readily appreciated that using these nutrients for fuel comes with a surcharge already fixed, and must not be largely used for fuel if optimum efficiency is to be maintained. These left-over parts place a tax on the kidneys, liver and other organs to dispose of them. Sometimes the left over portions are toxic to joints, arteries, nerves, and brain. Degenerative diseases such as arthritis, senility, atherosclerosis, malignancies, and shortened lifespan in experimental animals have been shown to be the result of overeating protein.

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« Reply #66 on: July 28, 2008, 03:57:22 PM »
I had a long discussion with someone from the CG today regarding the church's position on milk. The person I spoke with discounted the light we have been given regarding milk. He instead insisted that Ellen White in 1909 told us to drink milk.

Here is what we were told and it has not been set aside  by God or by modern times.

Let the diet reform be progressive. Let the people be taught how to prepare food without the use of milk or butter. Tell them that the time will soon come when there will be no safety in using eggs, milk, cream, or butter, because disease in animals is increasing in proportion to the increase of wickedness among men. The time is near when because of the iniquity of the fallen race, the whole animal creation will groan under the diseases that curse our earth. 

God will give His people ability and tact to prepare wholesome food without these things. Let our people discard all unwholesome recipes. Let them learn how to live healthfully, teaching to others what they have learned. Let them impart this knowledge as they would Bible instruction. Let them teach the people to preserve the health and increase the strength by avoiding the large amount of cooking that has filled the world with chronic invalids. By precept and example make it plain that the food which God gave Adam in his sinless state is the best for man's use as he seeks to regain that sinless state
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« Reply #67 on: July 28, 2008, 04:02:01 PM »
There are some in this world who are not presently able to give up milk and eggs because of their economic situation. They are not to be put in a difficult position. But, this is not an excuse for the GC and the Review to teach contrary to inspiration and science. Animals are diseased just as we were told they would become. Dairy is full of Leukemia Virus. Mad Cows and Mad Sheep are being eaten by humans around the world. The government is corrupt and not protecting humans from animal diseases.

Much cancer is contracted from eating animal flesh and animal products. Let us walk in the light as He is in the light.
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« Reply #68 on: December 14, 2008, 04:32:23 PM »
There has been little said about the risk of contracting CJD (human Mad Cow disease) from milk. Here is a scientific study that raises concern.


Since prion infectivity had never been reported in milk, dairy products originating from transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE)-affected ruminant flocks currently enter unrestricted into the animal and human food chain. However, a recently published study brought the first evidence of the presence of prions in mammary secretions from scrapie-affected ewes. Here we report the detection of consistent levels of infectivity in colostrum and milk from sheep incubating natural scrapie, several months prior to clinical onset. Additionally, abnormal PrP was detected, by immunohistochemistry and PET blot, in lacteal ducts and mammary acini. This PrPSc accumulation was detected only in ewes harbouring mammary ectopic lymphoid follicles that developed consequent to Maedi lentivirus infection. However, bioassay revealed that prion infectivity was present in milk and colostrum, not only from ewes with such lympho-proliferative chronic mastitis, but also from those displaying lesion-free mammary glands. In milk and colostrum, infectivity could be recovered in the cellular, cream, and casein-whey fractions. In our samples, using a Tg 338 mouse model, the highest per ml infectious titre measured was found to be equivalent to that contained in 6 g of a posterior brain stem from a terminally scrapie-affected ewe. These findings indicate that both colostrum and milk from small ruminants incubating TSE could contribute to the animal TSE transmission process, either directly or through the presence of milk-derived material in animal feedstuffs. It also raises some concern with regard to the risk to humans of TSE exposure associated with milk products from ovine and other TSE-susceptible dairy species.
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« Reply #69 on: October 13, 2009, 11:50:19 AM »
Sometimes it helps those who are having difficulty accepting truth to hear it from what the world considers and "expert". Of course truth is not popular with most humans, so even an expert will not be able to convince one who does not want to be convinced. In 1994 I interviewed Dr. Virgil Hulse. He was a milk inspector for over 14 years prior to becoming a medical doctor. Dr. Hulse has since passed away, but leaves this important message for those who are interested in their health and the health of family and friends. More than this, he contradicts the leaders of the health work at the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. His message is in harmony with the light given to us as a people over a hundred years ago that soon there would be no safety in eating eggs and milk because of the increase in diseases in animals.

For those reading that are not of our faith, you may want to consider that God cares about your family. He gave this light to the world that we would not experience cancer and other diseases that are being transmitted via the consumption of animal flesh, milk, and eggs. The truth entrusted to us as a people so many years ago has proven to be truth over and over again. Today, as you listen to Dr. Hulse, you will agree that God warned us over a hundred years ago that milk ought not be consumed because of the risk of contracting Leukemia. Cancer is the leading disease that kills children under the age of 15 in the US. The leading cancer is Leukemia. If you will take a moment to read through this thread, you will better understand what is known today about Bovine Leukemia Virus.

Now, listen to Dr. Hulse in this video clip taken from a one hour interview 15 years ago as he explains the risk of using dairy products.  Milk Does the Body No Good
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« Reply #70 on: October 13, 2009, 12:46:36 PM »
Powerful interview, Richard. If one is not convinced by this, they choose not to be convinced.
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« Reply #71 on: October 13, 2009, 01:29:49 PM »
Given the mass contamination factor in milk I wonder if it is any safer at this time than dead flesh.

Many in the church would say that there is so much information out there what can you believe? The reality is that if they are consuming dairy they are believing somebody but its just not the Testimony of the Lord.

The truth is so overwhelming. Even if dairy were disease free, and it is just the opposite, the fact that we are the only adult creatures on the earth that consumes milk naturally and then add to this that we consume milk that is not designed for humans to drink..... that alone shows that even under the very best of circumstances dairy use has a fractured foundation at the very core. Dairy consumption causes more disease and ailments than you can shake a stick at. When we add the mountain of concerns, dangers, and hazards involved with consuming processed bovine mucus, it makes one wonder how any thinking person not to mention any SDA person would want to touch it.
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« Reply #72 on: October 13, 2009, 02:13:39 PM »
After my little family gathered around our kitchen hearth made of up soy milk, their allergies are virtually non-existent and that is only two months into it. We have begun with small steps to prove the dangers of cow's milk and they are slowly being convinced just through the absence of fall allergies.

 

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« Reply #73 on: October 13, 2009, 02:17:47 PM »
Not all dairy cows are infected with BLV. Some dairies have a high rate of infection, some a rather low. But, the milk from all cows at the dairy is mixed. Therefore all dairy is infected with Leukemia Virus.  I guess there could be a dairy that is free from BLV, but even then, you are going to have to find it. Otherwise your milk and dairy is coming out of a large tanker truck that mixes all of the cow milk together.

And, we are only discussing in this interview BLV, not other diseases that are in the milk. As I pointed out in another post, there is a risk that Mad Cow Disease is transmitted through milk also. And, if that is not a problem for some, they ought to work with Alzheimer's people for awhile. The evidence is mounting that it comes from eating animal products. The USDA knew many years ago that sheep are infected with a brain disease similar to that seen in dementia patients. Sheep get prion disease like Mad Cows and it has been in the US for many years. So, if one thinks that drinking goat milk frees one from risk, he is thinking wrong. As we were told, soon the time would come when disease in animals would increase so much that there would no safety in eating animal products.

Many fear chemical contamination in food, but the risk from this pales compared to the risk from infectious disease in animal products. Yes, Sister Sybil, what God has warned of can now be seen in science. We do not need a prophet to tell us that it is dangerous to eat dairy, we only  need a  little knowledge and a pure heart that wants to do right.
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« Reply #74 on: October 13, 2009, 02:20:27 PM »
"Fall allergies"?  What are these?

The immune system is burdened by milk with all of the disease in it. Remove the dairy and the immune system is able to deal with other things better. Watch out for casein in veggie cheese and other products. Casein is milk protein and is quite harmful.
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« Reply #75 on: October 21, 2009, 10:10:36 AM »
Since the interview with Dr. Hulse was 15 years ago, I decided to check and see how the USDA is doing in getting the Leukemia out of the milk supply. Dr. Hulse indicated that he thought around 80% of the dairies were infected with Bovine Leukemia. How is it today?

In 2007 Dairies in Which Bulk Tank Milk Tested Positive for Bovine Leukemia Virus===

In small dairies  with fewer than 100 cows   83% of the bulk milk tanks were infected
In medium size dairies with 100-499 cows    82% of the bulk milk tanks were infected
In large dairies 500 or more cows              100% of the bulk milk tanks were infected
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« Reply #76 on: October 21, 2009, 11:04:30 AM »
Stunning statistics!  :o
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« Reply #77 on: October 21, 2009, 11:31:25 AM »
The manner in which they present the statistics can lead one to believe things are better than they really are. They gave another stat, overall %.  It was in the 80s. But, in reality when one considers not the % of dairies, but the percentage of milk infected, how does that look? What is one's chance of getting dairy product in the US that is not infected with Leukemia? Your chances are better playing Russian roulette with a six shooter.

100% of the large dairies deliver Leukemia infected milk. Mothers need to know this. This is beyond the light given to us as a people. We do not need a prophet to advise us to not use dairy. When combined with the knowledge that virus cause cancer, what more does one need to know!  And, I cannot help but say that to those who have been given great light, much is expected. To remain silent is to be responsible for the pain and suffering of multitudes of little ones who have and will contract cancer. And, yes, adults also.
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« Reply #78 on: October 31, 2009, 03:20:59 PM »
Since the interview with Dr. Hulse was 15 years ago, I decided to check and see how the USDA is doing in getting the Leukemia out of the milk supply. Dr. Hulse indicated that he thought around 80% of the dairies were infected with Bovine Leukemia. How is it today?

In 2007 Dairies in Which Bulk Tank Milk Tested Positive for Bovine Leukemia Virus===

In small dairies  with fewer than 100 cows   83% of the bulk milk tanks were infected
In medium size dairies with 100-499 cows    82% of the bulk milk tanks were infected
In large dairies 500 or more cows              100% of the bulk milk tanks were infected


Richard, where did you get this information from?  I would like to provide it in a class but would like a reference.

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« Reply #79 on: November 18, 2009, 06:41:17 AM »
Most everywhere I go that the conversation gravitates toward dairy, I quote these more recent figures. People are consistently astounded yet they continue to offer it as a mainstay in their diet. Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia is consuming the tiny body of my 2nd cousin - he's four. As a reward for bravely enduring round after round of chemotherapy, he is taken to McDonalds for anything he wants, primarily milkshakes and a cheeseburger. :( I have several other 2nd cousins with severe allergies - very young children who drink close to a gallon of milk a day and had rather endure monthly injections than to give up the primary cause of their allergies and the link to their leukemia: cow's milk.

I have begged the mothers of these children to switch to soy or rice milk but they turn up their noses saying their children "don't like it and won't drink it," so they give in and continue to pour poison down the throats of their children because they have been trained by health professionals and the milk lobby that their children MUST have their milk. I am amazed. They consistently request prayer for their sick babies all the while they ignore solid evidence this liquid poison is keeping their children in a constant state of illness, even unto death.

I have begun praying for the parents of these kids, that their eyes may be opened to what they are doing to the very ones they are so desperate to save. It is a horrifying situation.
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