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JimB

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Re: False Christs
« Reply #40 on: June 19, 2024, 05:52:59 AM »
There is a purpose for the suffering of the saints after probation closes, otherwise they would not. God's ways are good and He never causes a saint to suffer needlessly.  But, suffer they will.

Brother Richard, the topic of the timing of Satan's personation of Christ has recently become a topic for me and a couple of friends. Mainly because I think I'm having to rethink what I thought I understood about the timing on this event.

I don't know why because I can't point to one preacher or teacher where I got this from. It may have been from my own assumptions during my own study but I always believed that Satan's personation of Christ came before the close of probation. In my mind it was the crowning test to see what side one will be on. I've done some asking around and it appears that almost everyone I know believes this way also.

But recently I was listening to someone present on last day events and they brought forward a reference (I don't remember now where) along with some logical reasoning that Satan's personation of Christ came after the close of probation. So it sent me digging and while I'm not quite there yet it looks like I'm gonna have change my belief on this. Then I remembered this topic from years ago and am bringing back current to talk about.

I would like to ask you if you could flesh a little more of your own reasons for putting this even after and the purpose of it happening after. You speak of this trial, temptation, suffering as needed (I agree God doesn't allow us to suffer needlessly). So the 144,000 are sealed at this point. They have characters that will withstand the worst that Satan can throw at them. So why do their characters need to be developed more?

If you want to wait a couple of days before answering that is ok because I need to go back and re-read the chapter dealing with this from the GC. I think I can get this done tonight.
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Re: False Christs
« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2024, 08:19:15 AM »
Brother Jim, here is some truth regarding the deception when Satan appears as Christ. It seems that it is after probation closes. Satan does not know probation has closed, therefore, he is still trying to deceive those who will not be deceived because they have fortified their minds with the truth. Their minds have been settled into the truth and they cannot be moved.

The time of trouble such as never was, is soon to open upon us; and we shall need an experience which we do not now possess, and which many are too indolent to obtain. It is often the case that trouble is greater in anticipation than in reality; but this is not true of the crisis before us. The most vivid presentation cannot reach the magnitude of the ordeal. And now, while the precious Saviour is making an atonement for us, we should seek to become perfect in Christ. God’s providence is the school in which we are to learn the meekness and lowliness of Jesus. The Lord is ever setting before us, not the way we would choose, which is easier and pleasanter to us, but the true aims of life. None can neglect or defer this work but at the most fearful peril to their souls. { 4SP 440.2 }
The apostle John in vision heard a loud voice in Heaven exclaiming, “Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.” [Revelation 12:12.] Fearful are the scenes which call forth this exclamation from the heavenly voice. The wrath of Satan increases as his time grows short, and his work of deceit and destruction reaches its culmination in the time of trouble. God’s long-suffering has ended. The world has rejected his mercy, despised his love, and trampled upon his law. The wicked have passed the boundary of their probation, and the Lord withdraws his protection, and leaves them to the mercy of the leader they have chosen. Satan will have power over those who have yielded themselves to his control, and he will plunge the inhabitants of the earth into one great, final trouble. As the angels of God cease to hold in check the fierce winds of human passion, all the elements of strife will be let loose. The whole world will be involved in ruin more terrible than that which came upon Jerusalem of old. { 4SP 440.3 }
A single angel destroyed all the first-born of the Egyptians, and filled the land with mourning. When David offended against God by numbering the people, one angel caused that terrible destruction by which his sin was punished. The same destructive power exercised by holy angels when God commands, will be exercised by evil angels when he allows. There are forces now ready, and only waiting the divine permission, to spread desolation everywhere. { 4SP 441.1 }
Fearful sights of a supernatural character will soon be revealed in the heavens, in token of the power of miracle-working demons. The spirits of devils will go forth to the kings of the earth and to the whole world. Rulers and subjects will be alike deceived. Persons will arise pretending to be Christ, and claiming the title and the worship which belong to the world’s Redeemer. They will perform wonderful miracles of healing, and will profess to have revelations from Heaven contradicting the testimony of the Scriptures. { 4SP 441.2 }
As the crowning act in the great drama of deception, Satan himself will attempt to personate Christ. The church has long professed to look to the Saviour’s advent as the consummation of her hopes. Now the great deceiver will make it appear that Christ has come. In different parts of the earth, Satan will manifest himself among men as a majestic being of dazzling brightness, resembling the description of the Son of God given by John in the Revelation. [Revelation 1:13-15.] The glory that surrounds him is unsurpassed by anything that mortal eyes have yet beheld. The shout of triumph rings out upon the air, “Christ has come! Christ has come!” The people prostrate themselves in adoration before him, while he lifts up his hands, and pronounces a blessing upon them, as Christ blessed his disciples when he was personally upon the earth. His voice is soft and subdued, yet full of melody. In gentle, compassionate tones he presents some of the same gracious, heavenly truths which the Saviour uttered; he heals the diseases of the people, and then, in his assumed character of Christ, he claims to have changed the Sabbath to Sunday, and commands all to hallow the day which he has blessed. He declares that those who persist in keeping holy the seventh day are blaspheming his name by refusing to listen to his angels sent to them with light and truth. This is the strong, almost overmastering delusion. Like the Samaritans who were deceived by Simon Magus, the multitudes, from the least to the greatest, give heed to these sorceries, saying, This is “the great power of God.” But the people of God will not be misled.  4SP 442

The 144,000 are sealed and this is the requirement for translation. They could be translated when probation closes, but instead of going to heaven, they experience hell on Earth. They go through a time of trouble such as never was, worse than in the dark ages. Why? Why did God allow His innocent Son to come to come to this dark spot in the universe?  Many think it was to save sinners. That is true, but there was something even more important that your salvation or mine. Our loving God would have suffered if even for only one of us. But, there is more than our salvation. Satan brought sin into not only this world, but to the whole universe. God has promised He will put and end to sin forever. Now, this is an amazing promise since He will leave all of His creatures with free will. Then how can He say there will be no more sin? Lucifer sinned without anyone to deceive him. Why will not another Lucifer appear in the future? There is a mystery in this iniquity. There was no reason for sin. What will change that will keep the universe secure for eternity?

This world into which Christ came a helpless baby subject to the weakness of humanity at the risk of failure and eternal loss is the lesson book of the universe.

In the place where sin abounded, God’s grace much more abounds. The earth itself, the very field that Satan claims as his, is to be not only ransomed but exalted. Our little world, under the curse of sin the one dark blot in His glorious creation, will be honored above all other worlds in the universe of God. Here, where the Son of God tabernacled in humanity; where the King of glory lived and suffered and died,—here, when He shall make all things new, the tabernacle of God shall be with men, “and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God.” And through endless ages as the redeemed walk in the light of the Lord, they will praise Him for His unspeakable Gift,—Immanuel, “God with us“.

And, there will be a few sinners who have a story to tell that none other have. Like their Savior they learned obedience by the things they suffered (Hebrews 5:8 ). Like Jesus who grew in strength of character, so will it be with them. They will more perfectly reflect the character of Christ, the dross will be fully removed. "But who may abide the day of His coming? and who shall stand when He appeareth? for He is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: And He shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and He shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness." Malachi 3:2-3.

Through Christ’s redeeming work the government of God stands justified. The Omnipotent One is made known as the God of love. Satan’s charges are refuted, and his character unveiled. Rebellion can never again arise. Sin can never again enter the universe. Through eternal ages all are secure from apostasy. By love’s self-sacrifice, the inhabitants of earth and heaven are bound to their Creator in bonds of indissoluble union. DA 26.
  “For they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon His land.” Zechariah 9:16.

Have a Bible study that I have to prepare for. We can continue this. It will be our study for eternity!
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Re: False Christs
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2024, 05:53:46 PM »
Amen Richard!!  Great quote!