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The Pope and the Pentecostals
« on: February 21, 2014, 05:22:08 AM »
This little message is making the rounds and getting some excited saying "Martin Luther's Reformation is over, is yours?"

Here's more with the video: Charismatic: The Pope and the Pentecostals are 45 Minutes of FASCINATING – Updated!

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/theanchoress/2014/02/20/charismatic-the-pope-and-the-pentacostals-are-45-minutes-of-fascinating/


And here is another on the same video: 

Kenneth Copeland Prays for the Pope
Posted by RC2 at 8:29 PM | Labels: Gospel Truth, We're All In This Together
An extended prayer for the Pope and for Christian Unity at a Kenneth Copeland ministry meeting? Yep, it happened. The Holy Father sent a private message to a gathering of Kenneth Copeland ministries at the behest of his friend, Bishop Tony Palmer of the CEEC (about which I know nothing except: Anglican of some stripe). In a homey, spontaneous video shot by Palmer, the Pope spoke about Christian unity and asked for their prayers. I didn't watch the whole thing, just picked up at around minute 31 for the Pope's message and the prayer and response.

http://www.wheatandweeds.com/2014/02/kenneth-copeland-prays-for-pope.html
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Re: The Pope and the Pentecostals
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2014, 05:28:10 AM »
More from that piece:

As Copeland said, "Heaven is thrilled over this...You know what is so thrilling to me? When we went into the ministry 47 years ago, this was impossible."

As Pope Francis says in the following video - our sins are the cause for our separation and we are brothers and sisters and should act like it. I recommend you watch the entire video, but if you want to skip to the Pope's part, go to around 31:30:

    "Two rules: Love God above all, and love the other (neighbor), because he is your brother and sister. With these two rules we can go ahead. I am here with my brother, my bishop brother, Tony Palmer. We've been friends for years.

    He told me about your conference, about your meeting. And it's my pleasure to greet you. A greeting both joyful and nostalgic (yearning). Joyful because it gives me joy that you have come together to worship Jesus Christ the only Lord. And to pray to the Father and to receive the Holy Spirit. This brings me joy because we can see that God is working all over the world. Nostalgic (yearning) because but...it happens, as within our suburbs. In the suburbs there are families that love each other and families that don't love each other. Families that come together and families who separate themselves. We are kind of...permit me to say, separated.

    Separated because, it's sin that has separated us, all our sins. The misunderstandings throughout history. It has been a long road of sins that we all shared in. Who is to blame? We all share the blame. We have all sinned. There is only one blameless, the Lord. I am nostalgic (yearning), that this separation comes to an end and gives us communion. I am nostalgic (yearning), of that embrace that the Holy Scripture speaks of when Joseph's brothers began to starve from hunger, they went to Egypt, to buy, so that they could eat.

    They went to buy. They had money. But they couldn't eat the money. But there they found something more than food, they found their brother. All of us have currency. The currency of our culture. The currency of our history. We have lot of cultural riches, and religious riches. And we have diverse traditions. But we have to encounter one another as brothers. We must cry together like Joseph did. These tears will unite us. The tears of love.

    I am speaking to you as a brother. I speak to you in a simple way. With joy and nostalgia (yearning). Let us allow our nostalgia (yearning) to grow, because this will propel us to find each other, to embrace one another. And together to worship Jesus Christ as the only Lord of History.

    I thank you profoundly for listening to me. I thank you profoundly for allowing me to speak the language of the heart. And I also ask you a favor. Please pray for me, because I need your prayers. And I will pray for you, I will do it, but I need your prayers. And let us pray to the Lord that He unites us all. Come on, we are brothers. Let's give each other a spiritual hug and let God complete the work that he has begun. And this is a miracle; the miracle of unity has begun.

    A famous Italian author named Manzoni, once wrote in his novel, of a simle man amongst the people, who once said this, "I've never seen God begin a miracle without Him finishing it well." He will complete this miracle of unity. I ask you to bless me, and I bless you. From brother to brother, I embrace you. Thank you."
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Re: The Pope and the Pentecostals
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2014, 06:53:48 AM »
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the miracle of unity has begun

I've always believed that the false miracles and 'tongues' that has spread among Protestants will be a force to bring Protestants and Catholics together in 'unity'. Since the 1960'sthe greatest numbers of charismatics have been in the RCC. With its pagan emphasis on miracles, 'tongues-speaking' quickly gained a strong following and papal approval in the RCC.
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Re: The Pope and the Pentecostals
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2014, 09:04:27 AM »
Kenneth Copeland has always been about as far out there as one could get.  Any man that would get down on all fours and bark like a dog as evidence that he was filled with the spirit must be filled with something.
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Re: The Pope and the Pentecostals
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2014, 05:29:04 PM »
Doug Batchelor comments on the Pope's message to the Pentecostals. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsF2q-8ez08&feature=youtu.be
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Re: The Pope and the Pentecostals
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2014, 05:42:28 PM »
I will be moving this to a public board very soon.
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Re: The Pope and the Pentecostals
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2014, 08:00:02 AM »

 The Anglican priest's  speech on behalf of the pope  saying that the papacy believes we are saved by grace alone and not by works is simply not true. If the RCC is saying this ( I have not heard it from the RCC) it is lip service. Maybe the deceived Anglican thinks that the papacy has changed and now believes this but the papacy herself says that she does not change her doctrine.
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2014, 02:29:05 PM »

 The Anglican priest's  speech on behalf of the pope  saying that the papacy believes we are saved by grace alone and not by works is simply not true. If the RCC is saying this ( I have not heard it from the RCC) it is lip service. Maybe the deceived Anglican thinks that the papacy has changed and now believes this but the papacy herself says that she does not change her doctrine.
When the Bishop quoted that statement of agreement, he said we are saved by grace through faith for good works." But the final time he said it he changed one little word that seems to change the entire meaning. Instead of "for good works" he said "through good works." 

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Re: The Pope and the Pentecostals
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2014, 02:44:37 PM »
 Thanks Larry, I didn't catch that.  Probably he wants unity so much that he is going back and forth and thereby making EVERYBODY happy. It is interesting that people are so easily pacified that if they are told what they want to hear, after that they can be told what they can be told something different. You can tell that the Anglican was most pentecostal and led by a spirit.
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Re: The Pope and the Pentecostals
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2014, 04:27:21 PM »
The pope said that Palmer was a friend of many years. I'm making an educated guess that is something that has been in the works for a long time. It may or may not be surprising that the catholic church (which everyone is a member apparently) is embracing the charismatics.
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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2014, 04:33:50 PM »
The pope said that Palmer was a friend of many years. I'm making an educated guess that is something that has been in the works for a long time. It may or may not be surprising that the catholic church (which everyone is a member apparently) is embracing the charismatics.

That is true since they founded the charismatic movement with Loyola.
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2014, 05:35:38 PM »
A little bit about Bishop Tony Palmer:

Fr. Tony Palmer is a Bishop within the Anglican Episcopal Communion of the CEEC (Celtic Anglican Tradition), and is the Communion's international Ecumenical Officer.  In his role as Ecumenical Officer, he is also an official member of a Roman Catholic Ecumenical Delegation for Christian Unity and Reconciliation.  He is a co-founder and the spiritual Director of The Ark Community (www.thearkcommunity.org), an international Inter-denominational Convergent Christian Community, established in 2003.  Tony is also a HIV specialist and serves as the European Representative for Acres of Love, establishing orphanages for HIV/AIDS orphans in South Africa.

Tony is married, has two children and currently lives between Italy (Umbria) and the UK (Wiltshire). Born in the N.E of England, he grew up in South Africa and was ordained in England.  Tony's ministry is international, interdenominational and focuses on Christianity being lived out in a relevant way for today.  His favourite book  is: Jesus before Christianity (Fr. Albert Nolan).


He is not a chip off the Anglicanism that we know from history, but a new breed of evangelical Anglicanism.
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Re: The Pope and the Pentecostals
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2014, 08:14:42 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2014, 08:55:03 AM »
I would like to ask the bishop if he would consider opposition against 7th day Sabbath keeping spiritual racism? Does he believe in free speech  and the right to interpret and preach the Bible according to conscience ? There is good reason why God is calling Mr. Palmer out of babylon while the bishop is calling people into babylon.
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Re: The Pope and the Pentecostals
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2014, 12:42:34 PM »
Walter Veith responds to Palmer's messages:

 
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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2014, 04:19:51 PM »
I will be moving this to a public board very soon.
Posted the  video in signs and locked it.

Here is the whole video. Prophecy being fulfilled.

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Re: The Pope and the Pentecostals
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2014, 06:36:51 AM »
Thank you. I saw that and appreciate the move.
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Re: The Pope and the Pentecostals
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2014, 02:28:56 PM »
Another charismatic preacher with a TV programs has had Tony Palmer as a guest. There is an interesting exchange between James Robison and Palmer. You can watch the video here.
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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2014, 03:48:37 PM »
 People are ignorant of the papacy. The Pope sounds like a very loving old grandpa. How many know that he holds to the Jesuit oath and what that oath is ?  The oath is not nice and it is neither love for God or love for man. The papacy changes not. The pope said that the past was just a misunderstanding and we are all at fault. I'm sorry but I am not at fault for papal persecution and those innocent protestants that were tortured to death were not at fault. It is an insult to make it sound like we all just stubbed our toe during the dark ages. There is  one major hitch to the pope's call to unify. The papacy and the fallen protestants must give up their unholy Sunday and their spiritualism otherwise unity is merely a theory. Until and unless the churches go back to the primitive godliness of the saints and follow the truth  they are just playing a pretentious game of unity. We know that this will not happen.

Bishop Palmer and Robison speak so much double talk. Doctrine is not important but it is but it isn't and then the doctrine of unity is more important than the Ten Commandments that God wrote with His very own finger. Palmer says that the cross is more important than the truth of the cross. This is a form of idolatry. Indeed God calls for unity. However, He calls for unity based on some very core truth/doctrine/teaching. The Ten Commandments are about as core as it gets.

This ties in with our Sabbath school lesson where it is said that evangelism will unify our church. That needs to be qualified very carefully. Evangelism based on truth will unify the church. Evangelism for evangelism's sake is little different that what the pope, Palmer, and Robision are calling for. The enemy of souls is appearing to come up close to truth but is a mile away form it in reality.

What true unity is founded on must be studied and explained very carefully. While unity will not happen without love for God and man at the same time love for God and man will not negate obedience and acceptance of truth. It will bring forth clear, distinct, and  unflinching calls to accept Bible truth, far beyond simply that of coming together for unity's sake. Christ came to bring division and separation between those that follow God and those who refuse to follow God and rather follow man-made traditions. The pope, Palmer, Copeland, and Robision miss this fundamental truth and they deny it.

What these men are really saying but will not quite come out with it is that doctrine does not matter at all, accept the doctrine of unity. They wish to unify the people simply on the basis of good will and the desires of men. This is a page right out of the book" The Great Controversy." The devil and his angels have unity. That's not the kind of unity I want to be a part of.

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« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2014, 08:20:36 PM »
TV Preachers Glowingly Describe Meeting with Pope to Tear Down ‘Walls of Division’

Two controversial TV preachers recently met Pope Francis in an effort to work toward tearing down the ‘walls of division’ between Catholics and Protestants.

Kenneth Copeland and James Robison are two religious leaders in northeast Texas known for drawing huge crowds to their services and events, and who were a part of leading the group identifying as a “delegation of Evangelical Christian leaders” in its meeting with the Roman Catholic pontiff late last month.

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