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Richard Myers

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Baptism
« on: October 07, 2013, 01:30:46 PM »
There is much division over what must be understood before one is baptized. But, there ought not be any misunderstanding about the need to have been born again of His Spirit. Christ has made baptism the sign of entrance to His spiritual kingdom. He has made this a positive condition with which all must comply who wish to be acknowledged as under the authority of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Before man can find a home in the church, before passing the threshold of God's spiritual kingdom, he is to receive the impress of the divine name, "The Lord Our Righteousness." Jeremiah 23:6.

Baptism is a most solemn renunciation of the world. Those who are baptized in the threefold name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, at the very entrance of their Christian life declare publicly that they have forsaken the service of Satan and have become members of the royal family, children of the heavenly King. They have obeyed the command: "Come out from among them, and be ye separate, . . . and touch not the unclean thing." And to them is fulfilled the promise: "I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be My sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." 2 Corinthians 6:17, 18.

The vows which we take upon ourselves in baptism embrace much. In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit we are buried in the likeness of Christ's death and raised in the likeness of His resurrection, and we are to live a new life. Our life is to be bound up with the life of Christ. Henceforth the believer is to bear in mind that he is dedicated to God, to Christ, and to the Holy Spirit. He is to make all worldly considerations secondary to this new relation. Publicly he has declared that he will no longer live in pride and self-indulgence. He is no longer to live a careless, indifferent life. He has made a covenant with God. He has died to the world. He is to live to the Lord, to use for Him all his entrusted capabilities, never losing the realization that he bears God's signature, that he is a subject of Christ's kingdom, a partaker of the divine nature. He is to surrender to God all that he is and all that he has, employing all his gifts to His name's glory.
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Re: Baptism
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2013, 07:54:14 PM »
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."—Romans 6:3-4

Paul does not say that if unworthy persons, such as unbelievers, and hypocrites, and deceivers, are baptized they are baptized into our Lord's death. He says "so many of us," putting himself with the rest of the children of God. He intends such as are entitled to baptism, and come to it with their hearts in a right state. Of them he says, "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?" He does not even intend to say that those who were rightly baptized have all of them entered into the fullness of its spiritual meaning; for if they had, there would have been no need of the question, "Know ye not?"  It would seem that some had been baptized who did not clearly know the meaning of their own baptism. They had faith, and a glimmer of knowledge sufficient to make them right recipients of baptism, but they were not well instructed in the teaching of baptism; perhaps they saw in it only a washing, but had never discerned the burial.

Baptism as a burial with Christ signifies, first, acceptance of  the death and burial of Christ as being for us. What other hope have we? When our divine Lord came down from the heights of glory and took upon himself our manhood, he became one with you and with me; and being found in fashion as a man, it pleased the Father to lay sin upon him, even your sins and mine. Do you not accept that truth, and agree that the Lord Jesus should be the bearer of your guilt, and stand for you in the sight of God? He went up to the tree loaded with all this guilt, and there he suffered in our stead as we ought to have suffered. It pleased the Father, instead of bruising us, to bruise him. He put him to grief, making his soul an offering for sin. Do we not gladly accept Jesus as our substitute? Whether you have been baptized in water or not, I put this question to you, "Do you accept the Lord Jesus as your surety and substitute?" For if you do not, you shall bear your own guilt and carry your own sorrow, and stand in your own place beneath the angry justice of God.


"Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.  And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire." Luke 3:7-9

"The Pharisees were very strict in regard to the outward observance of forms and customs, and were filled with haughty, worldly, hypocritical self-righteousness. The Sadducees denied the resurrection of the dead and the existence of angels, and were skeptical in regard to God. This sect was largely composed of unworthy characters, many of whom were licentious in their habits. By the word “vipers” John meant those who were malignant and antagonistic, bitterly opposed to the expressed will of God.   

John exhorted these men to “bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance.” That is, Show that you are converted, that your characters are transformed.... Neither words nor profession, but fruits—the forsaking of sins, and obedience to the commandments of God—show the reality of genuine repentance and true conversion" (Manuscript 112, 1901).  {5BC 1077.5}

Not all that came to John the Baptist desiring baptism were baptized. John refused to baptize any and all that came forth for baptism who were not worthy. As a condition of receiving baptism, he required that they produce fruit of the Spirit as evidence of conversion. Perhaps today we are not as strict as the Greatest Prophet and more tolerant and willing to overlook sin?

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2013, 09:08:34 PM »
Amen, dear brother!  Jesus gives us a very clear statement on what baptism represents. Jesus told Nicodemus "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." John 3:3-7. A new creature in Christ Jesus is filled with the Spirit of God. Indeed it is a new birth and is represented by going completely under the water and coming up washed clean. The transformation is the greatest miracle God can perform.
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Re: Baptism
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2013, 10:21:59 PM »
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Indeed it is a new birth and is represented by going completely under the water and coming up washed clean. The transformation is the greatest miracle God can perform.

I'm confused...perhaps by your wording. You are not saying the act of a person being lower under the water and raised up again brings about regeneration, are you?
My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me....That is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave."
— Stonewall Jackson

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2013, 10:37:10 PM »
Good question, Cop.  Both you and I have been saying that baptism "represents" dying to self and living unto Jesus. It is a public statement of what has already taken place. "Jesus gives us a very clear statement on what baptism represents." "Indeed it (conversion) is a new birth and is represented by going completely under the water and coming up washed clean." It is good for all to understand that it is a symbol, and at the same time, it is a public statement as to the covenant entered into.
Jesus receives His reward when we reflect His character, the fruits of the Spirit......We deny Jesus His reward when we do not.

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2013, 10:56:59 PM »
Amen, my Brother!

So often these days I hear many church members (and some ministers) teach the Catholic heresy of Baptism Regeneration. I heard this just recently in SS and that, "...our sins are washed away", by the actions of a mere man in baptizing a person and by this act we are saved. The carnal heart hates to be told that it is God alone who saves us and washes sin from our soul by His power alone.
My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me....That is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave."
— Stonewall Jackson

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2013, 09:30:13 AM »
Amen!  It is very sad that there is misunderstanding on this doctrine.  Sometimes we get too far over the head of those who are new to the faith. We assume that they understand there is no mystical power in baptism and other "rites".  The Jews did that with the sacrifices and offerings, they attributed merit to their good works. Only the grace of God can cleanse and save a sinner. Once again, baptism is a public statement of faith by one who has already experienced conversion. Baptism is a symbol of what has already happened, the sinner being buried with Christ in death and arising a new creature, dead to self and alive unto Christ.
Jesus receives His reward when we reflect His character, the fruits of the Spirit......We deny Jesus His reward when we do not.

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2014, 08:23:00 AM »
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Only the grace of God can cleanse and save a sinner. Once again, baptism is a public statement of faith by one who has already experienced conversion. Baptism is a symbol of what has already happened...

Amen! This is truth and a simple truth which a child can understand.

I listened to a discussion recently about baptism. The question was asked: "Can a person be saved without baptism?" Is baptism a requirement for salvation? Do our members have any comments?
My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me....That is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave."
— Stonewall Jackson

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2014, 12:49:10 PM »
Baptism is commanded by God.

And yes, a person can be saved without baptism as long as circumstances absolutely prohibit it: deathbeds, crosses, etc. To those who are able to be immersed, which is the majority of people professing Christ, they must be baptized to enter into the kingdom of God. I cannot imagine an able-bodied person refusing baptism if he is truly born again.
  For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven. Psalm 119:89 

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2014, 06:08:16 AM »
Amen. I agree with you completely.

A couple of years ago at a church I was attending, a man was accepted into membership by profession of faith. He did not want to be baptized by immersion because he had been baptized by sprinkling when he was an infant. Believe it or not, the pastor said that this sprinkling was sufficient as to the requirement for membership.

I just read of this baptism at a SDA church: "Nathan was the first to emerge from the room with Pastor Lee. Soon enough, they were both in the baptismal pool at the front of the church and the main portion of the service had begun. After a short speech, Nathan was dipped in the water. After Nathan was given a towel and shuffled off into the back room to get changed, a number of red rose petals were placed in the water at Annelyse’s request. Soon enough, she was ready to be baptized as well by Pastor Lee after a short speech had been made." http://elizabeth.adventist.org.au/news_entries/1046

To our members I ask, Do you believe this is acceptable or is it compromising with worldly sentiments?
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— Stonewall Jackson

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2014, 09:53:37 AM »
That sounds as if it was done out of ignorance. If the church and those around her are faithful, and as she studies further, she will realize what she did.
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