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« Reply #100 on: March 28, 2011, 06:53:00 PM »
I've never hear the song before. Great words. We need more music with  lyrics like this that point out Bible truths that are so seldom spoken.

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« Reply #101 on: March 28, 2011, 08:13:49 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVjVwgqpLnY - recorded by a local church.
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« Reply #102 on: March 29, 2011, 08:24:25 AM »
How exciting to hear it sung, I saw youth mixed with older men joining the voices to gether much like the quartet did it. It brings me to tears, when I think of the wonderful songs God gave F.E. Belden another one of my favorits is Hymn No. 604 "We Know Not the Hour" What do you Think?   

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« Reply #103 on: March 29, 2011, 09:13:56 AM »
I love that one, too!

Wish i could have located a better video, but this one is sweet with the men and young boys singing it. What a blessed song!
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Re: 27 Principles of Music
« Reply #104 on: March 29, 2011, 09:21:11 AM »
Congregational singing @ Sheridan SDA Church in Illinois. We Know not the Hour.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpwtJ1qEpao
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« Reply #105 on: April 04, 2011, 12:13:14 PM »
Principle #21:   Instrumental music, when lifted in glorious harmony, is an acceptable offering to God.

   “In the meetings held, let a number be chosen to take part in the song service. And let the singing be accompanied with music of instruments skillfully Handled. We are not to oppose the use of instrumental music in our work.  This part of the service is to be carefully conducted; for the praise of God in song.” (Testimonies Volume 9 page 144)

‘skillfully handled’  ‘carefully conducted’  ‘praise of God’ What do these mean?

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« Reply #106 on: April 04, 2011, 05:32:37 PM »
I have an idea, Elder Thurber. What is your answer? What does skillfully handled mean, carefully conducted? I think of the 4,000 Levites when considering my own answer. Special music from someone in the congregation was probably not the norm, yet quite unheard of. Music was entrusted to the Levites - the priesthood tribe.
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« Reply #107 on: April 06, 2011, 06:43:20 AM »
Yes, Sybil you are right on. The Levites were ordained to the music ministry. When Elder Richards started the King's Heralds, He wanted men who  would be ordained to the music ministry. I remember the day when he recommended me to the Union Committee for Ordination. In college I majored in music, and minored in Religion. At the union session HMS preached The sermon and three of us in the union session were ordained. I was the last one ordained. No one since then of the quartet has been ordained. What a joy to be a part of the Music Ministry.     

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« Reply #108 on: April 06, 2011, 09:13:03 AM »
Does the church still consider ministers who have majored in music to be an important part of the ministry? As we seek to have a proper music standard in the church it seems that these are the men who ought to be helping us arrive at this understanding. We so much appreciate your wisdom in this area, dear brother!
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« Reply #109 on: April 08, 2011, 10:21:19 AM »
Brother Richard, If God comes first and his gift to us keeps one humble and we give Him The Glory and praise, God well keep us useful be cause of gift to us.
 
If our talent comes first, the head can swell to the point where we praise ourselves then we lose or effectiveness. More on this later.

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« Reply #110 on: April 09, 2011, 07:44:17 AM »
The Levites were ordained to the music ministry.

I have never heard of this before. That alone speaks volumes about taking care what music is introduced in the sanctuary. Could someone supply Bible support? Thank you.

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« Reply #111 on: April 09, 2011, 08:30:32 AM »
Good Sabbath morning to you, Victoria! In TRO's search, type in  Levites music and you will find discussions on their role in the Sanctuary service. 

1 Chronicles 27

     1, 32-34 (Proverbs 11:14; 24:6). Wide Distribution of Responsibility Lessened Burdens.--In planning for the administration of the affairs of the kingdom, after David abdicated in favor of Solomon, the aged king and his son and their counselors regarded it as essential that everything be done with regularity, propriety, fidelity, and dispatch. So far as possible, they followed the system of organization given Israel soon after the deliverance from Egypt. The Levites were assigned the work connected with the temple service, including the ministry of song and instrumental music, and the keeping of the treasures. The men capable of bearing arms and of serving the king were divided into twelve courses of twenty-four thousand each. Over every course was a captain. "The general of the king's army was Joab." "The courses. . . came in and went out month by month throughout all the months of the year." Thus every group of twenty-four thousand served the king one month during each year.  {3BC 1128.6}

To the Levites was committed the charge of the tabernacle and all that pertained thereto, both in the camp and on the journey. When the camp set forward, they were to strike the sacred tent; when a halting-place was reached, they were to set it up. No person of another tribe was allowed to come near, on pain of death. The Levites were separated into three divisions, the descendants of the three sons of Levi, and each was assigned its special position and work. In front of the tabernacle, and nearest to it, were the tents of Moses and Aaron. On the south were the Kohathites, whose duty it was to care for the ark and the other furniture; on the north the Merarites, who were placed in charge of the pillars, sockets, boards, etc.; in the rear the Gershonites, to whom the care of the curtains and hangings was committed.  {RH, October 5, 1905 par. 6}  
     This plan of carefully apportioning special duties to certain men who were best fitted for these duties, had been carefully studied by David, and followed in his administration of the government of Israel; and now that Solomon was placed upon the throne, David gave particular attention to the perfection of the organization of all branches of the ministration of the priests and Levites, of the civil officers, and of the army.  {RH, October 5, 1905 par. 7}  
     "When David was old and full of days, . . . he gathered together all the princes of Israel, with the priests and the Levites. Now the Levites were numbered from the age of thirty years and upward: and their number by their polls, man by man, was thirty and eight thousand. Of which, twenty and four thousand were to set forward the work of the house of the Lord; and six thousand were officers and judges: moreover four thousand were porters; and four thousand praised the Lord with the instruments."  {RH, October 5, 1905 par. 8}  
     The four thousand musicians, divided into twenty-four courses, were each led by twelve men especially instructed and skilful in the use of musical instruments. The work of the porters was also definitely arranged.  {RH, October 5, 1905 par. 9}  
     The priests were divided into twenty-four courses, and a full and accurate record was made regarding this division. Each course was thoroughly organized under its chief, and each was to come to Jerusalem twice a year, to attend for one week to the ministry of the sanctuary.  {RH, October 5, 1905 par. 10}
 

2 Chronicles 5:

  5:1   Thus all the work that Solomon made for the house of the LORD was finished: and Solomon brought in [all] the things that David his father had dedicated; and the silver, and the gold, and all the instruments, put he among the treasures of the house of God.  
  5:2   Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto Jerusalem, to bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of the city of David, which [is] Zion.  
  5:3   Wherefore all the men of Israel assembled themselves unto the king in the feast which [was] in the seventh month.  
  5:4   And all the elders of Israel came; and the Levites took up the ark.  
  5:5   And they brought up the ark, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and all the holy vessels that [were] in the tabernacle, these did the priests [and] the Levites bring up.  
  5:6   Also king Solomon, and all the congregation of Israel that were assembled unto him before the ark, sacrificed sheep and oxen, which could not be told nor numbered for multitude.  
  5:7   And the priests brought in the ark of the covenant of the LORD unto his place, to the oracle of the house, into the most holy [place, even] under the wings of the cherubims:  
  5:8   For the cherubims spread forth [their] wings over the place of the ark, and the cherubims covered the ark and the staves thereof above.  
  5:9   And they drew out the staves [of the ark], that the ends of the staves were seen from the ark before the oracle; but they were not seen without. And there it is unto this day.  
  5:10   [There was] nothing in the ark save the two tables which Moses put [therein] at Horeb, when the LORD made [a covenant] with the children of Israel, when they came out of Egypt.  
  5:11   And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy [place]: (for all the priests [that were] present were sanctified, [and] did not [then] wait by course:  
  5:12  Also the Levites [which were] the singers, all of them of Asaph, of Heman, of Jeduthun, with their sons and their brethren, [being] arrayed in white linen, having cymbals and psalteries and harps, stood at the east end of the altar, and with them an hundred and twenty priests sounding with trumpets:)  
  5:13   It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers [were] as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up [their] voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and praised the LORD, [saying], For [he is] good; for his mercy [endureth] for ever: that [then] the house was filled with a cloud, [even] the house of the LORD;  
  5:14   So that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of God.  


At the appointed time the hosts of Israel, with richly clad representatives from many foreign nations, assembled in the temple courts. The scene was one of unusual splendor. Solomon, with the elders of Israel and the most influential men among the people, had returned from another part of the city, whence they had brought the ark of the testament. From the sanctuary on the heights of Gibeon had been transferred the ancient "tabernacle of the congregation, and all the holy vessels that were in the tabernacle" (2 Chronicles 5:5); and these cherished reminders of the earlier experiences of the children of Israel during their wanderings in the wilderness and their conquest of Canaan, now found a permanent home in the splendid building that had been erected to take the place of the portable structure.  {PK 38.1}  
     In bringing to the temple the sacred ark containing the two tables of stone on which were written by the finger of God the precepts of the Decalogue, Solomon had followed the example of his father David. Every six paces he sacrificed. With singing and with music and with great ceremony, "the priests brought in the ark of the covenant of the Lord unto his place, to the oracle of the house, into the most holy place." Verse 7. As they came out of the inner sanctuary, they took the positions assigned them. The singers --Levites arrayed in white linen, having cymbals and psalteries and harps--stood at the east end of the altar, and with them a hundred and twenty priests sounding with trumpets. See verse 12.  {PK 38.2}
     "It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the Lord; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and praised the Lord, saying, For He is good; for His mercy endureth forever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the Lord; so that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of the Lord had filled the house of God." Verses 13, 14.  {PK 38.3}
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Re: 27 Principles of Music
« Reply #112 on: April 09, 2011, 03:00:26 PM »
Thank you, Sybil!

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« Reply #113 on: April 09, 2011, 05:52:10 PM »
You are so welcome!  :-*
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« Reply #114 on: April 10, 2011, 07:45:03 AM »
Principle # 22:  Religious worship, and everything connected with it, should be dignified, solemn and impressive.

   “Everything that is connected in any way with religious worship should be dignified, solemn, and impressive.” (Selected Messages Volume 3 page 333)
   “   Let us give no place to strange exercisings, which really take the mind away from the deep movings of the Holy Spirit. God’s work is ever characterized by calmness and dignity…” (Selected Messages Volume 2 page 42)
   “…Some are not satisfied with a meeting unless they have a powerful and happy time. They work for this and get up an excitement of felling. But the influence of such  meetings is not beneficial. When the happy flight of feeling is gone, they sink lower than before the meeting because their happiness did not come from the right source. The most profitable meetings for spiritual advancement are those which are characterized with solemnity and deep searching of the heart; each seeking to know himself and earnestly, and in deep humility, seeking to learn of Christ.” (Testimonies Volume 1 page 412)
   “…A bedlam of noise shocks the senses and perverts that which if conducted aright might be a blessing. The powers of satanic agencies blend with the din and noise to have a carnival, and this trmed the Holy Spirit’s working… Those things which have been in the past will be in the future. Satan will make music a snare by the way in which it is conducted.”  (Selected Messages volume 2, page 36 and 37)
   “The manner in which the meetings in Indiana have been carried on, with noise and confusion, does not commend them to thoughtful, intelligent minds. There is nothing in these demonstrations which will convince the world that we believe the truth. Mere noise and shouting are no evidence of sanctification, or the descent of the Holy Spirit. Your wild demonstrations create only disgust in the minds of unbelievers. The fewer of such demonstrations there are, the better it will be for the actors and for the people in general.”  (Selected Messages Volume 2 page 35)
   “…Low songs, lewd gestures, expressions, and attitudes, deprave the imagination and debase the morals. Every youth who habitually attend such exhibitions will be corrupted in principle…”  (Messages To Young people page 380)   

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« Reply #115 on: April 10, 2011, 07:53:05 AM »
Good morning, Elder Thurber. You present yet another excellent principle.

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The most profitable meetings for spiritual advancement are those which are characterized with solemnity and deep searching of the heart; each seeking to know himself and earnestly, and in deep humility, seeking to learn of Christ.” (Testimonies Volume 1 page 412)

The most precious times of my life were those where this happened.
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« Reply #116 on: April 11, 2011, 02:26:45 PM »
Yes, Sybil, I agree with you. As Christ is at the door, we must strengthen our integrity in our relationship with the Lord. Here is some good Quotes.

“Men must have moral backbone, in integrity which cannot be flattered, bribed, or terrified.”  (Testimonies Volume 5 page 297,1)

“Life’s best things---simplicity, honesty, truthfulness, purity, integrity cannot be bought or sold.”  (Ministry of Healing page 198)

“A good character is a capital of more value than gold or silver. It is unaffected by panics or failures, and in that day when earthly posscessions shall be swept away, it will bring rich returns. Integrity, firmness, and perseverance are qualities that all should seek earnestly to cultivate; for they clothe the possessor with a power which is irresistible-a power which makes him strong to do good, strong to resist evil, strong to bear adversity.”  (My Life Today page 267)

 

 

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« Reply #117 on: April 11, 2011, 02:35:25 PM »

“A good character is a capital of more value than gold or silver. It is unaffected by panics or failures, and in that day when earthly posscessions shall be swept away, it will bring rich returns. Integrity, firmness, and perseverance are qualities that all should seek earnestly to cultivate; for they clothe the possessor with a power which is irresistible-a power which makes him strong to do good, strong to resist evil, strong to bear adversity.”  (My Life Today page 267)


Amen!!

"when earthly possessions shall be swept away"

That day is coming. How shall we react when "ALL" is swept away? Are we ready for this? Do we want things to get better? Or do we want Jesus to come? We need to consider which is is that we really want.
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« Reply #118 on: April 11, 2011, 02:38:16 PM »
Yes. Also notice the character will not be affected by panic or failure.
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« Reply #119 on: April 18, 2011, 08:48:02 AM »
Principle # 23:  The simplicity of Christ, rather than forms and ceremonies, should characterize all our worship.

   “When professing Christians reach the high standard which is their privilege to reach, the simplicity of Christ will be maintained in all their worship. Forms and ceremonies and musical accomplishments are not the strength of the church. Yet these things have taken the place that God should have, even as they did in the worship of the Jews.”  (Manuscript 157 1899)
   “In their efforts to reach the people, the Lord’s messengers are not to follow the ways of the world. In the meetings that are held they are not to depend on wordly singers and theatrical display to awaken an interest. How can those who have no interest in the word of God, who have never read His Word with a sincere desire to understand it’s truths, be expected to sing with the spirit and understanding? How can their hearts be in harmony with the words of sacred song? How can the heavenly choir join in the music that is only form?” (Testimonies Volume 9 page 143)