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Title: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on August 28, 2000, 07:39:00 AM
Some may be wondering if children can grow up healthy without drinking cow milk? Or if children can grow up healthy drinking cow milk.  What are the considerations of parents who make the decision about milk for their children?

Here is a short video clip (http://remnant-online.com/milk.html) regarding the dangers hiding in cow milk.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Michelle on August 28, 2000, 09:09:00 PM
Thanks for posting this.  I've been wondering.  My three year old drinks cow's milk with no problem.  My 14 month old had problems with it when I drank it and he nursed!  He's on soy milk right now and doing fine, though I have to be careful to make sure about the calcium (which is I think the big thing about not drinking cow's milk).  Some soy milk is not fortified so has little calcium.  It also has little fat, so I'm not sure what ramifications that has, as a child is recommended to drink whole milk from age one to age two.

I've read calcium alternatives, but from what I remember of my nutrition class in college, many of these are not well absorbed.  So I'm wondering as well what is the best thing to do.

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Suzanne on August 29, 2000, 07:59:00 AM
About calcium: Let's just think about it--where does the cow, elephant, hippo, rhino, etc. get their calcium that helps make strong bones and teeth?  Do we see any lack here? They get it from plant sources: green plants, etc. These are the same sources that we can get our calcium from. Leafy green vegetables, broccoli, almonds, sesame seeds, other seeds and nuts are all good sources and should be utilized by vegetarians.

Let's carefully and prayerfully study up on the subject and utilize the various natural products God has provided for us.

Good health to all,
Sr. Suzanne

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on September 03, 2000, 07:10:00 AM
I was reared with a firm belief that I should eat three square meals a day. The four food groups were necessary for life itself. I now know it was all untrue. The healthiest people in the world do not eat from the four food groups. The issues of protein and calcium intake have been misrepresented to those of us in the United States and probably in many of the developed countries where heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, stroke, and cancer are rampant.  

When my sister in law told me, almost 30 years ago that she was going to quit eating meat, I told her she would die. I really believed it. It was just like Sunday, everybody knew you needed meat for good health just like Sunday is the day of rest. Everybody knows this!

Well, guess what? We have been deceived. Meat and milk are not healthy today and we never needed either to have good health.  The healthiest people I know are third generation strict vegetarians. They don't get sick and they don't have cavities in their teeth.

As Sister Suzanne has suggested, we need to study the matter out for ourselves and not trust in what we have been told. Epidemiological studies will show that those who have very little animal products suffer much less from those diseases that are killing modern man who eats his three square meals a day. I find it amazing that butter and ice cream are part of the three square meals a day program. They have calcium an protein that we have to have.

Modern women and men suffer from an epidemic of osteoporosis. Not the men and women in the poorer countries. Why, since we get so much calcium in our three square meals a day diet?
The answer is found in the Bible and the original diet that God gave to man after sin entered our world. What was the difference between our diet before sin and after sin, and what we eat today?

In His love and grace,   Richard


Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on September 05, 2000, 09:17:00 PM
A laodicean church cannot be expected to have the faith that will go contrary to what one was taught as truth from a young age. If we are going to trust in what God has said when we find it contrary to what "great men" say, we must have a living and abiding relationship with Jesus. We must look beyond what we see with our eyes to what the Word says.

I don't believe it is simple coincidence that today the General Conference Nutrition Council, released a news statement in which they caution strict vegetarians. “You are standing on shaky ground if you don’t use the USDA pyramid,” says Stoy Proctor, chairperson of the council. He was referring to the official United States Department of Agriculture’s (USDA) food pyramid.

The article begins by saying they have a new plant based pyramid that the council has put together. Further in the statement they say "the Total Plant Food Guide advises two to three servings of low-fat dairy fortified alternatives, including supplements, a day to
make up for the lack of dairy products."

We have God inspired testimony that says "soon" we would have to quit using all animal products including milk and eggs because of the danger from the diseases in the animals.

Instead of encouraging our people to use the USDA food pyramid, we should be encouraging people to quit using it. Much milk and many milk products contain the bovine leukemia virus. It is rampant in the U.S. herds. We don't need to know this, we just need to know what God has been gracious enough to tell us. "Soon" we will have to give up all animal products. That was over a hundred years ago. Soon has long since come.

It is time to study the matter out for the sake of our children as well as our selves. There are some countries where the people are not in a position to do much about the situation for they are poor and have no source of nutrition except for milk and meat, and sometimes pork. We are not to urge upon them a diet that does not provide proper nutrtion. We should attempt to help them secure healthy altenatives before telling them they need to modify their diet.

Let us ask for more of God's Spirit that we might nor err in this important matter. Each must decide the issue for himself. If cancer is being transferred through animal products then it is important to know this. If there are other life threatening diseases that are being transferred through animal products we want to know this. The information is readily available, but it will do little good for those that do not believe you can live on the diet God gave us to begin with.

In His love and grace,     Richard


Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on September 27, 2000, 10:27:00 AM
There  are many sick today and they above all others need to know what the risks are to them when they consume dairy products. The immune system has been compromised and is struggling to overcome the infectious disease within the body and the last thing it needs is to have a load of bovine leukemia virus from milk flowing through the body.

This is a very difficult subject for many in the church, but for the sake of the children and the sick, study the matter out and if the milk is not infected with disease then bring forth the evidence that would contradict the inspired counsel and the science of today.

Those who have not the light that we have could be expected to resist this truth, but for those who have been entrusted with divine inspiration on the subject, what excuse have we to resist the truth?

In His love and grace,    Richard

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Liane H on September 28, 2000, 05:33:00 PM
I drank milk all my life up to 6 months ago. I too was under the illusion that you had to have your milk.

I also stopped eating meat, even though it was only chicken, turkey and fish for years after I stopped red meat years and years ago.

After stopping the milk, low and behold, I could breath.  Don't like the smog, but I am smelling things for the first time in my life.  I was told over and over again that I just had small passageways, but now I know that not to be true.

Dr. Thrash has a book out about food sensitivity.  I think that all of us should do this test and we might just find out how healthy we could be by stopping certain foods that effect us everyday.

I have more energy now than I did when I was 20 years old and I am now 56. So that says something about how you feel after cutting out meat and milk in your diet.

Well if it was good enough for our first parents and Daniel, then it should be good enough for me.

Liane  

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Suzanne on October 16, 2000, 10:17:00 AM
GOT HAIR?

While genes may play a role in determining whether or not one becomes bald, evidence now shows that what we eat may dictate how fast you lose your hair.

Rsearchers from the Harvard University School of Public Health in Boston examined hair loss patterns of 51 elderly Greek men. Those with the LEAST amount of hair had the highest blood levels of two hormones: testosterone and insulinlike growth factor 1 (IGF-1). Some researchers speculate that a high-fat, low-fiber diet that is also rich in meat may raise levels of free testosterone, and consumption of milk and other dairy products may boost IGF-1 levels. (IGF-1 is found primarily in milk.)

Indeed, a 1990 study found that vegans had substantially higher levels of sex hormone-binding globulin, a protein that removes testosterone from the body, than omnivores did. And a 1992 study showed that men who ate a vegetarian diet for 6 weeks had lower levels of testosterone than men on a meat-rich diet.

Neal Barnard, MD., president of the Washington, D.C.-based Physicians Committee for Responsible medicine, thinks that consumption of fiber is key to keeping your hair. "Low levels of fiber in the diet cause the natural mechanism for eliminating testosterone from the body to be disabled. Milk, eggs, cheese, red meat, chicken, and fish--none of these foods have any fiber."  --Natural Health, Oct. 2000

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on December 23, 2000, 06:02:00 PM
In hopes of discouraging some that may think drinking goats milk is better than cows milk, I would not encourage this. It may be the goats are healthier and it may be they are not. All animals are suffering under the consequences of man's sin. One of the great dangers in drinking goat's milk is that many times it is used raw. Fearful thought that any milk would be consumed raw. Even in Ellen White's day the counsel was to sterilize the milk being used from healthy cows.

In His love and grace,   Richard

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on January 20, 2001, 07:00:00 PM
Is it possible that some in the world are discovering the relationship between cow milk and cancer?  The following site reveals this to be the case:

abcnews.go.com/sections/community/2020/chat_breastcancer010118.html

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Suzanne on January 23, 2001, 09:58:00 AM
COW'S MILK LINKED TO DIABETES

A new study reported in the journal "Diabetes" has linked cow's milk to juvenile, or insulin-dependent, diabates. Researchaers from Finland studied infants who had relatives with diabetes, feeding them formula with and without cow's milk until the age of 6 to 8 months. The babies fed cow's milk had a higher immune response to cow insulin than those not given cow's milk.

There was, however, no difference in the groups' reactions to human insulin. The researchers conclude that in some predisposed children, early exposure to cow's milk may trigger an immune reaction to insulin.  --Diabetes, 2000; 49: 1657-1665.

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on January 24, 2001, 07:51:00 PM
The American Academy of Pediatricians recommended no cow milk be fed to babies under age one about six or seven years ago. They were concerned that there is a relationship between type one diabetes (juvenile) and cow milk in these babies.

It is so very sad that even with this evidence that so many still refuse to warn the world of this deadly situation. When the evidence becomes so great that none can refute it, what then will we say?

Richard

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Suzanne on February 08, 2001, 08:16:00 AM
MILK NOT BEST SOURCE OF CALCIUM

Doctors and dietitians from the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) recently unveiled a hard-hitting advertising campaign showing that milk is useless against bone breaks.

The Harvard Nurses' Health study, which followed 78,000 women over a 12-year period, shows that milk-drinkers had, if anything, more bone breaks than women who rarely drank milk. Other studies have shown the same results. "It is vital to understand that milk is useless against osteoporosis...Milk is no substitute for exercise, avoiding animal protein and sodium that deplete calcium, and other factors," says Neal D. Barnard, M.D., president of PCRM.

"Other excellent sources of calcium include green leafy vegetables, beans and calcium lsupplements," says Patricia Bertron, R.D., director of nutrition for PCRM.  --Let's Live, June 1999.

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Suzanne on October 21, 2001, 08:44:00 PM
MILK ALLRGY SUSPECTED IN CHILD CONSTIPATION

Children with chronic constipation may be allrgic to cow's milk and may get relief by switching to soy milk, according to a study in "The New England Journal of Medicine."

Medical researchers looked at 65 youngsters under 6 who were taken to gastrointestinal experts for chronic constipation. All were drinking cow's milk or milk-based infant formula, or eating other dairy products.

The children were fed soy milk for two weeks, then switched to cow's milk for 2 weeks, or vice versa. Two-thirds of the children improved while drinking soy milk and became constipated when they drank cow's milk. The study included only children for whom there was no other clear cause of constipation.  --Los Angeles Times, 10-19-98

"The human body has no more need for cows' milk than it does for dogs' milk, horses' milk, or giraffes' milk." --Michael Klaper, M.D. speech, 7-19-85.

[This message has been edited by Suzanne Sutton (edited 10-21-2001).]

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: WendyForsyth on March 19, 2003, 11:02:00 AM
Aside from the above, how do you respond to the "organic" milks that are now available that do not have all the hormones etc in them? And does it go without saying that all milk is infected with Bovine Leukemia Virus?

Help?

wf

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on March 19, 2003, 05:15:00 PM
We go by the counsel have been given first. Not all animals were infected with TB or cancer when God gave the warning message to not eat flesh. Then He said through a prophet tha the time would soon come to refrain from eating any animal product because of the increasing disease in the animals.

If we study the matter, we find that the time has long since come that the milk and eggs of animals is dangerous. 150 years ago, milk was to be sterilized. Today this is not enough. As an example that we understand, BSE is not inactivated by heat. I think we shall find that cancer is being transmitted in ways we have not understood.

If we were dependent upon milk, it would be a difficult situation, but we are not in most places today. Yes, there are some places that we are not to teach this until we provide a substitute.

As for the danger from Bovine Leukemia. When a cow is milked her milk is mixed with that of many other cows. I find that a designation of "organic" may even pose a greater hazard with some foods, since it exposes them to the dung of cows which carry the deadly strain of e-coli. There is so much evidence of the problems with animals today that it does not take long to convince the honest of heart that they need to make some changes in their diet. This is especially true with children. I sorrow as I contemplate the mother who thinks her child needs cow milk and therefore provides it daily. I really do sorrow.

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: WendyForsyth on March 20, 2003, 08:17:00 AM
What if someone has children that are unhappy with substitutes, or cannot afford them. I know that milk can be homemade, but if someone is resistant to all of this but is still concerned about their children's health, how would you present the issue to them?

By the way thank you for the clear way you presented the above Richard. I get all tongue-tied and you made it much clearer than I ever can. :)

God bless,
wf

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on March 20, 2003, 08:54:00 PM
Sister Wendy, we can't convince others, but if they will study the matter, they will find that they will do just fine if they will learn how the body functions. The B-12 issue is the most difficult and it helps to know some third generation strict vegetarians. It is also a blessing to have a few medical doctors that are educated in God's ways. I would recommend the books written by the Doctors Thrash. They have been a great blessing to my family.

And of course the Bible is the ultimate authority. When I first became a strict vegetarian I was convinced by the Bible, not by science. The original diet is very persuasive. And, if a Seventh-day Adventist, the Spirit of Prophecy tells us that the use of animal products will be unhealthy.

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: WendyForsyth on March 21, 2003, 08:53:00 AM
Thank you Brother Richard. :)

wf

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Sister Marie on March 21, 2003, 01:48:00 PM
We are living in a fulfillment of Prophecy in that Ellen White told us that a time would come that we would have to give up milk. This is the time. There are things in milk that we would never want to digest normally. Modernization has not helped one bit.

If we truly believe we are living in the end times, then when else would E.W. have been talking about that we will need to give milk up (all animal products) then now? Either we believe what is told to us or we don't pay attention.

As far as taste goes. The soymilk they sell now days are so much better than what I had to drink as a child. Also there is rice milk, which my daughter really likes. We also made our own quite a bit and added raisins to the blender or prunes or apples, etc... honey also. And we added other things like coconut sometimes. When blended in, the Soymilk is really better than milk could have ever been thought to be. (It leaves it in the dust so to speak)    :)


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With Christian Love,
Sister Marie

[This message has been edited by Sister Glass (edited 03-21-2003).]

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Gerry C. Wagoner on March 21, 2003, 03:59:00 PM
Lika whey milk is very tasty (kind of a vanilla taste) and reasonable. It can be purchased through Legacy
http://www.meadowfresh.com/Welcome1.html.

We buy a couple of cases of this stuff every six months.  Tastes great.

Gerry

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Sister Marie on March 21, 2003, 07:29:00 PM
Brother Gerry,

What is Lika whey milk? I mean what does it come from, made of?

Also, the website did not go through for me. Could anyone else get it?

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With Christian Love,
Sister Marie

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: WendyForsyth on March 22, 2003, 11:50:00 AM
Brother Gerry,

That is still dairy products. What would be the difference then? I found soy on sale for a really great price and bought 22 of those quart containers. They were only $1.50 a piece and very yummy.

God bless,
Wendy

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Sister Marie on March 22, 2003, 03:00:00 PM
It is most often $.98 PER each here at Winco's in Chico. Last time $1.18. Nothing to be mentioning today. But it is amazing how wonderful God is in bringing the cost of these things down so much. That is the main reason I don't make it anymore.  :)

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With Christian Love,
Sister Marie

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Suzanne on March 23, 2003, 10:14:00 AM
Has anyone tried a soy milk making machine? There are at least 3-brand names on the market. I don't have much info at this time, but one ad said their machine made delicious soy milk very inexpensively. Will look up further info when I get a chance.

~Suzanne~

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: WendyForsyth on March 23, 2003, 10:31:00 AM
Absolutely Sister Glass.

Sister Suzanne, I want to get one of those machines but never seem to have the spare cash. I am on food stamps right now as we don't have any income so I buy the soymilk with those. I hope I can get one some day though. I hear the SoyJoy is really good.

wf

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Sister Marie on March 23, 2003, 02:22:00 PM
We have a Vita Mix and it works quite well. How does the Soy Milk Maker work?

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With Christian Love,
Sister Marie

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on December 25, 2003, 06:02:00 PM
Sorry to miss your post, Sister Wendy.  :(

Not all milk has leukemia virus in it. Which glass has it?  Not all meat has BSE. Which hamburger does? It is not worth the risk to the health of our children to use a food that has such risk. God's original diet for man is the best. In some places in the world it is not good to share these things until substitute foods are provided.

The U.S. cow infected with Mad Cow Disease was a dairy cow. This is being pointed out by the ranchers who sell their cattle to the meat industry.

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: WendyForsyth on December 26, 2003, 12:26:00 AM
That's okay Brother Richard. :)

Well, this mad cow right in my backyard has finally convinced my kids that they DO NOT want to eat meat and dairy. It's been very difficult because with two dads that do not agree with veganism, it has been hard to convince the kids to stand up for veganism or even vegetarianism when with their dads and I'm not there. So I'm grateful to the Lord that finally something has got through to them. I don't have to stress about it because God is handling it. :) Praise the Lord!

Thanks for writing back Brother Richard. :) I'm glad to hear from you.

God bless,
Wendy

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on December 26, 2003, 06:48:00 AM
Dear Sister Wendy, we continue to pray for your family. When we have done all that we can do, we know that God will here our prayers for our children.  :)  Children are put in a very difficult situation in cases like yours. We cannot expect them to be strong enough to resist such temptations until they are thoroughly converted and even then, when we take our eyes off of Jesus for a moment, the power to resist the craving of a perverted appetite is gone.

Because the milk is mixed from many cows, there seems to me to be a higher risk than even eating flesh. Many have not received a proper education as to why dairy is not essential for good health. The dairy industry has done a superb job of educating little ones to believe they need dairy to have good health. We have a work to do to re-educate these now adults who fear for the health of their own children. God will help.  :)

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Liane H on December 26, 2003, 08:01:00 AM
Hate to admit this but I have still been drinking milk up to this point. I had felt as long as I was drinking organic milk I was doing better than most.

As a child I drank up to a half gallon of milk a day. My parents could not keep up with me in my consumption of drinking it.

Even as a young adult milk was my main drink each day along with soda.

Last night I had an interesting thought about organic milk. My thought was yes they may be feeding these cows correctly, but what about the past of these cows. Where did they come from? How long have they had them? Where the parent cows fed and raised organic?

Without the history of these cows that are PRESENTLY being cared for, not knowing the past history of these cows could be just as dangerous as the regular milk.

It has raised my realization that  the time to stop drinking milk has come as much as I have enjoyed the taste.

Anyone know what brand of soy milk machine would be good to buy?          

Liane

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: WendyForsyth on December 26, 2003, 12:48:00 PM
Nothing to admit Sister Liane. We are all at different places in our walk with regards to the health message. We all do our best with the situation we have such as Brother Richard has said. I've come to see the blessing in Howard separating from me. Since he put me aside, I am no longer bound to his wishes in my own home. It is very painful because I still love him, but I have to realize that now I am no longer compelled to feed my children meat and dairy because he tells me I must. The judge awarded Howard only two days a month with the kids(with overnight which I'm not happy about), and those are the only two days a month I have to worry about my children being pressured to do things they know are wrong. My marriage may be lost, but my children will be preserved and this is all I can ask for. I will continue to pray for Howard's salvation however.

I will pray for you Liane and I'd appreciate your prayers for me. Dairy is very difficult for me to give up in spite of the knowledge I have. Also I crave your prayers and others in regards to coffee. I avoid it as much as possible, but there are occasions where I get severe migraines that are only cured by caffeine. I am sure this is from my previous years of caffeine addiction. None of us is alone in these struggles. The Lord is with us and we are there for each other.

God bless,
Wendy

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Liane H on December 26, 2003, 02:30:00 PM
Hi Sister WendyF:

Sorry to read the news of you and Howard. It is most hard on the children. Your family is always in my prayers and will continue to be, but I will pray more specific of your requests.

It is very interesting in what has a hold on us and what does not. When I became a Seventh-day Adventist, giving up pig meat was so easy and lobster and shell fish. Did not take a second thought.

Then I went to beef, could not stand it anymore with those sad brown eyes and that has been fifteen years now.

But still held out for chicken, turkey and fish on occasion. Yet milk is my worse and I think there may be some deep feelings that are keeping me held to it.

Caffine was very easy for me to give up. I did not drink coffee, but a lot of coca cola and pepsi cola. They both have more caffine than any coffee one can drink and add the sugar that is my other weakness.  

That is how I got myself into this lifestyle health mess, but each day I learn and change and each step gets me further from the desire for these things and closer to God's plan.  

It is sad how much we hurt God with our weaknesses, but He keeps loving us and helps us to grow toward Him each day.

Liane

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Ele Holmes on December 26, 2003, 03:24:00 PM
Liane,
   I have been using soy milk for more than 15 yars but could not drink it strait till this year when I fould Silk milk in the health food store in the refrigerator instead of on the shelf, although they have started to put it out on the shelf too.  But I have really enjoyed it and my grandson prefers it even though my son drinks regular milk all the time. (He is not veg. nor Christian).  Try it.  Let me know what you think.  Also, if you really want a treat, and you are not overweight, try almond milk, cashew milk, or milk home made from the soy beans.  You can add anything to this selection.    God bless....Ele
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Michelle on December 26, 2003, 03:58:00 PM
Ele--I, too, drink Silk.  When my second son was very little, I realized he had lactose intolerance and I started drinking no dairy (about 4 years ago).   When he started drinking liquid "milk", I tried EVERY soy milk on the market, and the only one that was palatable (IMO) was Silk.  My sons and I drink Silk exclusively (my second has never had dairy).  My advice--avoid the vanilla flavored Silk--it's nasty.  But the regular is very good.  I don't make my own (have considered it, but just haven't made/taken the time in my busy schedule to make it).

WendyF--I'm sorry for how things are happening in your family.  I pray for you and your children.  I'm glad that God is guiding your thoughts and helping you to see reasons for situations.  

M

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Deb on December 26, 2003, 06:13:00 PM
I was convinced over 30 years ago to become a vegetarian at the age of 15. My SDA parents ate only clean meats. Interestingly it was at the time of my conversion--the very first thing I was convicted of! It was not easy because I liked chicken and fish. I would be severely tempted. The meat substitutes is what helped me get off it completely.

Once I was at my parents home visiting (I was still single but living away from home) my sister was cooking some beef bacon for my dad. It smelled SO good to me and I was really hungry. I prayed in my heart and asked God to please help me with this new temptation. One second after that quick prayer my sister looked up at me and asked if she could cook some "stripples" for me. I breathed a sigh of relief and said YES. Praise the Lord!!

Then milk went out of my house the year I was married. My husband was raised vegan but was using dairy at the time we married. I was a big milk drinker. But we visited his parents and they used soy milk on their cereal and I liked it. I was convinced to give up milk. That was over 20 years ago.

We are not strictly vegan yet but almost there. And after this mad cow disease showing up in the USA, we are even closer to becoming totally vegan.

But we raised our children vegetarian/vegan and they have not one cavity today! And they are very healthy. We never even had a "family" doctor when they were growing up because we didn't need one.

But we changed our diet as we found substitutes. God told us that there would be good substitutes made for us. And with the abundance of wonderful fruits, vegetables, nuts and grains...going vegan today has been made easy compared to 50 years ago! We really are quite spoiled today.

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Sister Marie on December 26, 2003, 06:24:00 PM
Dear Wendy,

I am also very happy to hear your being able to see the good in the way things are going for you. I thought I was going to die when it happened to me. Then one day I realized God's allowing that to happen was a big blessing in my life. Then I could move and find a place where I could find a SDA school for my children. I had no money, but for some reason I did not think about that, I just did it and it all turned out alright. I could then teach my children the meatless diet which I had been on before getting married. I was free to train them up as I felt the Lord wanted me to. Instead of crying anymore, I had them with me and I Praised God that I could be so blessed.

I had to walk through a very black time first, but when we put our trust in God, He can see us through "anything".
Hold on Sister, Jesus is making it for you too.  :)

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With Christian Love,
Sister Marie

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: WendyForsyth on December 26, 2003, 10:30:00 PM
Thank you to all my sisters! Big hugs!

It became very clear to me that it is indeed possible to make an idol out of a person, and hold them in higher esteem than God. I realized that I was doing "anything" to keep Howard or entice him back with me. Then one day it became clear to me that I was making Howard my God, and I was sacrificing my relationship with God for the one with Howard. I had to make a decision. Howard will always be my earthly best friend, my soul mate, but when he is in my home life is tumultuous and stressful, as well as me feeling opressed and needing to compromise my convictions to Howard's will. I will not go back to that. Thank you all for your love and prayers. :)

God bless,
Wendy

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Felix Florimon, MD on December 27, 2003, 01:30:00 PM

Sister Sutton, you made a very basic and obvious fact that we need to really take into account:  “About calcium: Let's just think about it--where does the cow, elephant, hippo, rhino, etc. get their calcium that helps make strong bones and teeth? Do we see any lack here? They get it from plant sources: green plants, etc.”

It is true that the cow, elephant, etc. obtain their calcium only from plant sources. However, in order for calcium to be well absorbed we need a good source of vitamin D and a significant portion of our vitamin D comes from exposure to sunlight. Vitamin D plays a major role in calcium absorption and bone health. The relationship between calcium absorption and vitamin D is similar to that of a locked door and a key. Vitamin D is the key that unlocks the door and allows calcium to leave the intestine and enter the bloodstream. Vitamin D also works in the kidneys to help reabsorb calcium that otherwise would be excreted.

Vitamin D is manufactured in the skin following direct exposure to sunlight. The amount of vitamin D produced in the skin varies depending on time of day, latitude, season, and skin pigmentation. Many individuals are afraid of prolonged sun exposure due to the potential damage that overexposure to ultraviolet light can do like premature skin aging or melanoma.

Another reason the cow, elephant, etc. are able to keep strong bones only through plant sources is because besides having more prolonged sun exposure than humans living in well developed countries, they are more dependent on physical activities for their daily survival. In a similar way, in under-developed countries, the incidence of osteoporosis is less than in other parts of the civilized world because people are forced to have more prolonged exposure to sunlight and because they have a less mechanized way for performing their daily activities.

I do believe that we should avoid dairy products as much as possible because of the potential allergies they may provoke, the high cholesterol and the challenge they represent to our immune system. However, we need to be aware of the limitations imposed to us through our modern way of living. I believe that if we are going to avoid dairy products, we should also make an effort to do more physical exercise, have some healthy exposure to sunlight and use vitamin supplements wisely.

FF

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Liane H on December 27, 2003, 03:04:00 PM
Dr. Felix thank you so much for the post.

When we look at the way God made this planet it He planned it very well that one thing falls upon another for a complete action for our health and well being.

The circle you presented of calcium through plants, Vt D through sunlight and exercise in the outdoors all are a combinded support system to keep us healthy.

It is sad that we need suppliments, but in this day and  age unless one grows their own food plants, it is better to take some form of suppliments for health.

Liane  

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on January 30, 2005, 09:07:00 PM
For those born after 1900, odds ratios for farmers were increased in counties with the greatest numbers of egg-laying chickens and largest number of acres treated with herbicides. The types of leukemia causing elevated mortalities in Iowa farmers were chronic lymphatic and unspecified lymphatic. Mortality from unspecified lymphatic leukemia was associated with corn per acre, number of milk cows and number of egg-laying chickens.

American Journal of Epidemiology

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Bill Wennell on February 07, 2005, 07:56:00 AM
SOME FACTS ON MILK:

Milk is a very good source of calcium, but a very POOR source of utilizing that same calcium. In order for calcium to be digested and utilized there must be a corresponding amount of magnesium. Milk has about 300 ius of calcium per 8 oz but only about 30 ius of magnesium. Therefore 270 ius do not get utilized by the body. Where does this unused portion go? Directly into your arteries as plaque waiting utilization that will probably never happen. Milk should NOT be seen as a source of calcium.

What about protein? Milk is a good source of protein, right? Wrong again. There are two kinds of proteins (generally). Animal proteins have a center molecule of sulfur and plant proteins have a different center molecule (a believe it is iron but will get back to you on this). The importance of which is this: the sulfur in animal protein makes the human body acidic and leeches calcium from the body to encapsulate the offending sulfur in order to remove it. The end result is that from years of eating/drinking animal products is a loss of calcium (osteoporosis - which is a disease of calcium LOSS not inadequate calcium intake, there is a difference).

What about cow's milk and children? Do our children NEED cow's milk? Absolutely NOT, if this were so then God made a terrible mistake in giving children human milk. Look at studies on the composition of human vs. cow's milk and you will see a big difference in fat content, protein content, and other vital factors (such as casein). Why? Because cow's milk was made (by God) for calves and mother's milk for children. Humans are the only created beings that seem to think they need to continue to drink a liquid that every other being knows is only for young mammals. There have been links between cow's milk and MANY childhood diseases from earaches to juvenile diabetes. And don't buy into the fact you need to use a formula then (even soy) if you have stopped nursing or have chosen not to nurse. My wife was making her own "formulas" with oatmeal, almonds, cashews, dates, coconuts, etc (different versions using these, and other, natural ingredients). Our babies are very healthy, even though one has an allergy to soy products.

About soymilks: Don't drink your Silk! It has an ingredient in it called "carregenan" which, although natural, needs a process to extract it that brings other chemicals into the equasion. We use a soy milk maker that is extremely easy to use and costs pennies a quart vs. Silk. Plus, Silk (and others) and processed on REAL milk machines! Add in that you can't kill prions and you have the possibility of contamination in your store-bought processed soy milk. Silk has had recalls due to cow's milk in their soy milk!

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but fore-warned is fore-armed!

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Bill Wennell
BiblicalTruths2000@Juno.com

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on November 04, 2005, 09:01:00 AM
Some who have been warned continue to drink milk because it is "pasteurized". This is a rejection of the counsel we have been given. At the time we were instructed about the dangers of meat eating we were told to sterilize the milk and to raise our own cow. We were then told that the day would come when we would have to give up all animal products.

So, those who think  that pasteurization is killing the disease did not get the message. No heat will stop the transfer of some diseases. This is what we were told. This is why it is unsafe to drink milk today. The animals are sick.

Now, that we better understand what we have been told through inspiration, let us look at the current situation in regards to milk. In the U.S. the dairy herds are infected with many diseases, but bovine leukemia is rampant. So, do we want our children to be drinking this virus? How about Mad Cow Disease? Oh, you say that BSE is not transferred via milk? Why is this thought to be so? Trust is misplaced when we use the logic being presented to us. Because science has not proved Mad Cow can be passed through milk it is safe to drink it. Even without inspired counsel this is foolishness.

An article published yesterday at nature.com reveals a study that indicates milk is a route of transmission for Scrapie, a spongiform disease like Mad Cow Disease.

Adriano Aguzzi, the lead researcher on the study, has not detected prions in milk itself, because it is difficult to analyse for the abnormal proteins. But he says he expects to find them.  A pathologist at the University of Zurich Hospital, Switzerland. Aguzzi says "It is unlikely that the prions are not in the milk...and the prospect is not a pleasant one."
nature.com

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Bill Wennell on November 08, 2005, 06:58:00 AM
It has already been substantiated that a man that died of vCJD was a vegetarian, but was lacto-ovo vegetarian. Any ideas where he got the disease?

Bill
USDA Meat Inspector
biblicaltruths2000@yahoo.com

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Bill Wennell on January 25, 2006, 10:19:00 AM
Could Mad Cow-Like Diseases Spread Through the Milk of Infected Animals?

Cause of mad cow disease may be found in milk: study


By HELEN BRANSWELL

Thursday, November 17, 2005 Canadian Press


globeandmail.com

TORONTO - New research into prions, the infectious agents that cause mad cow-like diseases, has found them in the mammary glands of some sheep, raising questions about whether milk and milk products from infected animals could transmit the pathogens.

Prion experts were quick to insist the current potential risk to human health is low and may even be nil.

But they suggested the findings are a warning that if prion diseases in livestock aren't rigorously hunted for and rooted out, milk and products like cheeses and yogurt could be a potential route of transmission of prions to humans.

In humans, prions - highly infectious misfolded proteins - cause the brain wasting variant-Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease or CJD.

"I think the public health implications of this are profound . . . (and) need further investigation," Dr. Neil Cashman, Canada's leading expert on transmissible spongiform encephalopathies or TSEs, said Thursday.

TSEs are the class of diseases that includes bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) or mad cow disease; chronic wasting disease, which affects wild ruminants such as elk; CJD and scrapie, which infects sheep. "I sincerely think that the human risk is very small or zero," said Dr. Cashman, a researcher at the University of British Columbia. "But we won't know that until further work has been done. This points up a gap in our understanding of BSE in particular that needs to be answered with further research."

Dr. Cashman was not involved in the research, which was published in a letter earlier this month in the journal Nature Medicine. The findings was reported by a team of scientists led by Dr. Adriano Aguzzi, one of the world's leading prion researchers. Dr. Aguzzi is based at the Institute of Neuropathology at University Hospital in Zurich, Switzerland.


His team had earlier shown that prions, once thought to be concentrated in the brain and central nervous system tissues of infected animals, actually migrate to other organs if those organs are inflamed because of infection. In a study published in January, they showed prions migrated to and propagated in the pancreas, kidney and liver of infected mice when inflammation of those organs was induced. Earlier this fall they showed that mice co-infected with a prion disease and inflammation of the kidneys shed prions in their urine.

Dr. Aguzzi decided to study an animal that had more implications for human health. So he found and bought a flock of Sardinian sheep, some of which had problems with both scrapie and mastitis - inflammation of the udder. Prions were found in the mammary glands of co-infected sheep and in macrophages - cells that the immune system uses to try to clear infection - those sheep generated, Dr. Aguzzi said in an interview from Zurich. "It turns out that if you have an inflammation of the mammary gland, the milk is full of macrophages. So it's not hard from there to infer that eventually you will end up with prions in the milk," he said. But Dr. Aguzzi's team has not yet isolated prions from milk, a complex task. "We are making progress. But we are not there yet," he said.

Experts believe scrapie prions aren't a threat to human health; it is believed humans are not susceptible to them. Humans are vulnerable to BSE prions. But no one yet knows if BSE prions are drawn to inflammation in the way mouse and scrapie prions are. Those studies have not yet been done. And there are fears that sheep and goat flocks could have been infected with BSE prions before the practice of mixing cattle offal into livestock feed was banned when it was shown to be spreading BSE.

To date only one goat, in France, has been found to be infected with BSE prions, but experts admit BSE and scrapie prions are exceedingly difficult to differentiate in ruminants such as sheep and goats. "These data would be very worrying if we still had a big epidemic of BSE, notably in small ruminants," said Dr. Jean-Philippe Deslys, a prion researcher with the French Atomic Energy Commission in Paris. "It indicates that we need to maintain a good surveillance, not to let this disease develop. Because we see that there are different possibilities for the agent to replicate." Dr. Aguzzi said for now, he has no plans to drop dairy products from his diet. "I don't want to stress too much the implications for human health. I think it's early days," he said. "This is of course something that needs to be investigated. I would not want to provoke a wave of panic. And if that helps, I may add that I'm not going to stop eating sheep's cheese."


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Bill Wennell
USDA Meat & Poultry Inspector
BiblicalTruths2000@Juno.com

[This message has been edited by Richard Myers (edited 01-25-2006).]

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Liane H on January 26, 2006, 02:04:00 AM
Hi Brother Bill:

Thanks for the updated report. It is good that these new reports are presented as they are needed to remind us of the dangers.

Out of sight also means out of mind, so we need to keep before in our minds the dangers that are out there and the risk we are taking with ourselves and our families.

Liane, the Zoo Mama  

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Tammy on January 27, 2006, 04:58:00 AM
I was raised a vegetarian, but my family still ate lots of sugar and too much junk food.  I was unhealthy as a kid growing up and when I was 13, and had been in bed, coughing for two weeks, I read Counsels on Diet and Foods.  It was so interesting for me!  I remember coming down the stairs and telling my parents that I wasn't going to eat any more sugar or drink any more milk.  Well, they all thought that I was passing through some "phase" and would "straighten out" eventually.  Thank God, I never went back on my decision.  It wasn't easy, as all of my family were SDA's and sometimes when we were going to someone's house for dinner, they were embarrassed by me, (as I wouldn't eat anything that I couldn't read the ingredient label first)and they would tell me, "Don't read the labels, just be polite and eat the food."  Well, I told them they may as well leave me home, then.  Of course they saw that as being rebellious...

I am 45, have been a vegetarian all my life, and a vegan for over 30 years.  Thank the Lord, I have no cavaties, and I have 5 kids who have no cavaties, either.  

When we are not on the road, we make our own soymilk, with the SoyToy Machine.  It makes very nice milk, very inexpensively.  I just add a little oil, honey, vanilla and salt.

My husband and I owned a health food store for 10 years and we held vegetarian cooking classes.  If anyone would like some vegan recipes for cheese and "dairy foods", I'd be happy to email them to you.

Have a good day!  Tammy

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: WendyForsyth on January 27, 2006, 10:55:00 AM
Thank you for your testimony Tammy.  :)

God bless,
Wendy

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on January 27, 2006, 03:56:00 PM
Sister Tammy, sounds like you have educated yourself in the area of health. We have a topic for healthful recipies that include all the counsels we have been given. Post them there if you want.  Cutting Edge Recipies
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on February 27, 2008, 05:38:30 PM
Many who drink milk and feed it to their children are not aware of the common practice of feeding calves other than cow milk. It is a shameful thing to find out that calves have been fed protein from dead cows and other animals. It has been outlawed since it was discovered that Mad Cows can transmit their disease to other cows via animal protein. Now, it is thought safe to feed tallow to these calves, at least the new regs in the US allowed that in 2004. So, for those who still are using dairy for food, you may want to consider that tallow is being fed to calves. 

Livestock producers who have been feeding any of the
now prohibited blood products, poultry litter or plate waste
will now have to find alternative protein sources to feed.
The new changes also may impact calf health on some
farms. Prohibition of products derived from ruminant blood
and blood products will include colostrum replacers and
supplements and milk replacer supplements made from bovine
serum or plasma.
While colostrum supplements derived from
milk or colostrum will still be available, there is evidence that
the IgG absorption from these products is less than that from
supplements derived from bovine plasma. Some of the
products that will no longer be available include Lifeline™,
Acquire™, Secure!™, NutraPro B™, and Gammulin™.
Producers using these products will need to find alternative
products and focus more attention on quality colostrum
management to ensure healthy calves.
It is important to note that tallow and animal fat are not
prohibited under the new BSE feed rule. The rendering process
effectively separates fat from protein, and since the prion
believed to cause BSE is a protein, feeding tallow is not
considered a risk for spreading BSE.
source (http://www.msu.edu/~mdr/archives/mdrvol9no2.pdf)
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on February 29, 2008, 06:44:07 PM
These are startling reports. An ironic thing is this: The cost of buying milk, eggs, and dairy products in general are, right now, at the top of the most expensive things in the grocery stores. Wheat products, too - but the products made from cow's milk are at an all-time high. How much better off the public would be just to quit consuming these things altogether. They would not have the health risks AND they could save their money.

How can this information be better disseminated to the public?
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on February 29, 2008, 07:09:15 PM
The Seventh-day Adventist Church was given the light to share with the world. Mothers and fathers think their children need milk to be healthy. Such a lie! The healthiest people in the world are third generation strict vegetarians who eat the original Bible diet.  Milk at one time was a healthful food, but no longer. It is full of disease, especially Bovine Leukemia Virus.

Seventh-day Adventists are responsible for much of the cancer being contracted if we do not share the light  we have been given. Such a blessing to share with those who want to know how to be healthy.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on April 08, 2008, 09:06:02 PM
There is concern by some that Mad Cow Disease is being transmitted to humans through infected meat. How about through milk?  Not much has been said about milk transmitting Mad Cow Disease. Well....here is a recent conclusion regarding milk and the transmission of Scrapie (the sheep version of Mad Cow Disease).

The presence of PrPd in distal ileum and rectal mucosa indicates transmission of scrapie from ewe to lamb via milk (or colostrum) although it is not yet clear if such cases would go on to develop clinical disease.   
Evidence of scrapie transmission via milk Timm Konold , S JO Moore , Susan J Bellworthy  and Hugh A Simmons  BMC Veterinary Research 2008, 4:14doi:10.1186/1746-6148-4-14   Published: 8 April 2008
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Suzanne on July 21, 2008, 10:35:55 AM
Going over my notes this past weekend I found this:

*  Milk is nature's most perfect food for a baby calf, who has 4 stomachs; will double its weight in 47 days and is destined to weigh 300 pounds within a year. 

*  The enzyme necessary for digestion of milk is lactase.  20% of Caucasian children and 80% of Black children have no lactase in their intestines.

*  The amount of calories as fat in whole milk is 50%.

Suzanne
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Wally on July 21, 2008, 12:41:43 PM
Pardon me if this has already been mentioned, but does it ever occur to anyone that humans are the only mammals which keep drinking milk after they have been weaned?  Does this make any sense?  I've always wondered who the first person was who decided they could drink milk from a cow, goat, reindeer, or whatever.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on July 21, 2008, 03:56:54 PM
I have spread that fact far and near with my extended family - humans continue to consume another species' milk into old age. It is unheard of in the animal kingdom. All become weaned.

What do I get? Blank stares.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Sister Dee on July 22, 2008, 09:59:33 AM
The dairy industry has done its job well.  And then there is all the indoctrination of children in schools concerning the daily intake of dairy products.  You take your child to the doctor and they want to make sure he or she is getting enough milk.  It's the American mindset.  
 
 
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Wally on July 22, 2008, 01:59:56 PM
The dairy industry has done its job well.  And then there is all the indoctrination of children in schools concerning the daily intake of dairy products.  You take your child to the doctor and they want to make sure he or she is getting enough milk.  It's the American mindset.  
 
 

I have experienced this mindset first hand.  When my dad was still living, he and his wife were afraid our kids weren't properly nourished because they ate no meat, eggs, or milk.  But they couldn't see the connection between the fact that our "malnourished" kids were running circles around her "well fed" grandkids of a similar age.  My wife and I found it quite comical, but also rather sad.  Truth is hard to come by, and harder to impart to others.

This reminds me of something that one of my customers told me yesterday.  We can communicate information around the world in a fraction of a second, but sometimes it takes years to communicate information through a quarter of an inch thick skull bone.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Jason B on July 25, 2008, 12:42:49 PM
I would like to add that milk for me does not taste good anymore,and once you try soy milk at least for me you will forget about milk forever ;D.
I think Wally another question along with what you said about who was the first person who decided to drink cows milk was is who was the first person who thought it was tasty to drink rotten fermented things called Beer and wine ;D
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Wally on July 25, 2008, 04:01:47 PM
who was the first person who thought it was tasty to drink rotten fermented things called Beer and wine ;D

Well, we know that it goes back at least af far as Noah.  Who did he learn it from?
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on July 26, 2008, 12:31:20 PM
When the animals were not diseased, milk was an important food throughout the world. It was in small amounts beneficial and economical. But, going beyond that, it was not needed for good health if a wide variety of fruits, grains, vegetables, seeds, and nuts were available.

In the beginning it was not given man to drink milk. When God shortened man's life to 120 years, He then allowed man to eat animal products.  I would assume that to move back to the original diet will have an opposite effect, extending our lives past that of those who continue to use animal flesh, fish, foul, eggs, and milk.

We need to keep our arguments on sound ground. Milk, like the fish that Jesus ate, provided nourishment at one point in time, prior to present state of the world where the animals are diseased. Those diseases are contracted by humans who eat the diseased flesh, milk, and eggs.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Suzanne on July 27, 2008, 05:09:47 PM
Protein and Calcium

The reason so many, including many SDAs eat meat and drink milk is that so they can get an adequate amount of protein and calcium in their diets.  Medical research is showing that this approach is misguided at best. And this information has been around for some time.  Indeed, the high-protein American diet has been found to cause osteoporosis (bone loss), and other problems. Consider the following:

*  "Even when eating 1,400 mg of calcium daily, one can lose up to 4% of his or her bone mass each year while consuming a high-protein diet."  --American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 1979; 32.

* "Increasing one's protein intake by 100% may cause calcium loss to double." --Journal of Nutrition, 1981; 32.

* "What appears to be important in bone metabolism is not calcium intake, but calcium balance.  The loss of bone integrity among many post menopausal white women probably results from genetics and from diet and lifestyle factors.  Research shows that calcium losses are increased by the use of animal protein, salt, caffeine, tobacco, and by physical inactivity."  --Neal Barnard, MD, Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine, in Understanding Health, December 1999.

* Bogert, Briggs and Calloway, writing in Nutrition and Physical Fitness, explain that when too much meat and other high protein foods are eaten, sulfuric, phosphoric and other acids are produced.  The body seeks to neutralize these excess acids by drawing on the alkali reserves--calcium and other alkaline or base-forming elements of the body.  These also include magnesium, zinc, boron and other minerals involved in the health of the bones and teeth. 

* The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, March 1983 reported the results of the largest study of bone density in the U.S.   Researchers at Michigan State and other major universities found that by age 65:

Male vegetarians had an average measurable bone loss of 3%.
Male meat-eaters had an average measurable bone loss of 7%.
Female vegetarians had an average measurable bone loss of 18%.
Female meat-eaters had an average measurable bone loss of 35%.

* A correct vegetarian diet whith emphasis on adequate calcium and other minerals is most important in guarding against osteoporosis.  Researchers using double isotope analysis demonstrated that calcium availability in kale and select green vegetables are the number one natural source of top-grade calcium.  Other plant sources include fortified soy milk, broccoli, dried figs, almonds, whole grains, whole legumes, blackstrap molasses, and seeds and nuts.

Other critical nutrients that build and preserve bone health include magnesium, phosphorus, silicon, zinc, manganese, boron, copper and vitamin D (the sunshine vitamin).  Vitamins C, E, and K also play vital roles in battling osteopososis Calcium retention in the bones is also favored by adequate weight-bearing exercise such as brisk walking, etc.

Suzanne
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Wally on July 28, 2008, 05:36:10 AM
Protein and Calcium

The reason so many, including many SDAs eat meat and drink milk is that so they can get an adequate amount of protein and calcium in their diets.  Medical research is showing that this approach is misguided at best. And this information has be around for some time.  Indeed, the high-protein American diet has been found to cause osteoporosis (bone loss), and other problems.
Suzanne

This information has been available to SDA's for a long time.  Neil Nedley's book, Proof Positive has pages and pages of valuable information on this and other related subjects.  And, yet, in our beloved (formerly beloved? :-\) Adventist Review we have 2 doctors who seem to completely ignore this type of research.  This magazine is supposed to be an avenue for dissemination of important information for our church members, whether it be related our spiritual welfare or our health.  Unfortunately this potential function is being vastly under utilized.  Of course, if Adventists can't take the SOP's word for it, they may not be inclined to accept scientific evidence, either. (Many SDA's still believe in a form of "theistic evolution," and a world much older than 6000 years, in spite of mounting scientific evidence to the contrary.) 

At our store we are constantly trying to disabuse our customers of the myth that one needs lots of protein, that meat is the best way of getting it, and that one needs dairy products to get adequate calcium.  It is an uphill battle.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on July 28, 2008, 08:24:15 AM
This is a most serious subject. The lies being taught about the need for milk are indeed just that, lies. And, some will be jailed for not feeding their children milk because of these lies. Others will contract cancer and other diseases because their parents followed the counsel by the "experts" which now include the two doctors who continue the lie.

Our church has become the tail and is being wagged by Satan.  Very sad. There are many in the church who are on the cutting edge of health reform. But, they are made to look like fanatics and extremists by many in the ministry in local churches and now at the GC.  It is sad that this subject has to be discussed in an open forum, but the sin is public and therefore the reproof must be also. The influence must be countered for the sake of the children.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: stephen on July 28, 2008, 09:11:18 AM
The American Dairy Association does not want us to know that it actually leaches more calcium from our bones to digest dairy products than we get from them.

Also, protein is seriously overrated as a necessity in our diets.  Sports medicine 'experts' and coaches push a high protein diet for our student athletes.  Physicians push a high protein diet for children and adults.  The truth is that protein is recycled by the human body.  It takes but a small fraction of protein that Americans consume for the optimal operation of the body.  No wonder we have such a high incidence of cancers and heart disease, to name a few of these diseases brought on by this practice.

According to a physician in Washington state who dedicated fourty years of his practice to the autoimmune diseases, i.e. MS and Lupus, those patients he treated by conventional (worldly accepted) means including drugs were either wheel chair bound or dead in ten years.  Those he treated by diet had no further progression of the disease in ten years!  Treating by diet meant removal of animal source protein, especially dairy products.  Casine is the worst protein for the human body there is.

This physician also made an observation that the further people live from the equator the more prevalent animal source food is in the diet.  Also, the further people live from the equator the higher the incidence of MS and Lupus.

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Lewis on July 28, 2008, 09:37:58 AM
In the book Nutrition for Vegetarians by Agatha Thrash M.D. and Calvin Thrash M.D. page 35 states:

If sufficient carbohydrates are present in the diet, very little protein needs to be taken in. If there is short supply of carbohydrates, proteins will be utilized for energy, but inefficiently, leaving over some parts of the protein molecule that cannot be converted to energy. Approximately 58% of amino acid molecules stored in the body, and approximately 10% of fat molecules stored in the body can be converted to energy. The remnants of the molecules of both amino acids and fats must be dealt with as waste matter in the biochemical systems. It can be readily appreciated that using these nutrients for fuel comes with a surcharge already fixed, and must not be largely used for fuel if optimum efficiency is to be maintained. These left-over parts place a tax on the kidneys, liver and other organs to dispose of them. Sometimes the left over portions are toxic to joints, arteries, nerves, and brain. Degenerative diseases such as arthritis, senility, atherosclerosis, malignancies, and shortened lifespan in experimental animals have been shown to be the result of overeating protein.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on July 28, 2008, 03:57:22 PM
I had a long discussion with someone from the CG today regarding the church's position on milk. The person I spoke with discounted the light we have been given regarding milk. He instead insisted that Ellen White in 1909 told us to drink milk.

Here is what we were told and it has not been set aside  by God or by modern times.

Let the diet reform be progressive. Let the people be taught how to prepare food without the use of milk or butter. Tell them that the time will soon come when there will be no safety in using eggs, milk, cream, or butter, because disease in animals is increasing in proportion to the increase of wickedness among men. The time is near when because of the iniquity of the fallen race, the whole animal creation will groan under the diseases that curse our earth. 

God will give His people ability and tact to prepare wholesome food without these things. Let our people discard all unwholesome recipes. Let them learn how to live healthfully, teaching to others what they have learned. Let them impart this knowledge as they would Bible instruction. Let them teach the people to preserve the health and increase the strength by avoiding the large amount of cooking that has filled the world with chronic invalids. By precept and example make it plain that the food which God gave Adam in his sinless state is the best for man's use as he seeks to regain that sinless state. TSDF 117
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on July 28, 2008, 04:02:01 PM
There are some in this world who are not presently able to give up milk and eggs because of their economic situation. They are not to be put in a difficult position. But, this is not an excuse for the GC and the Review to teach contrary to inspiration and science. Animals are diseased just as we were told they would become. Dairy is full of Leukemia Virus. Mad Cows and Mad Sheep are being eaten by humans around the world. The government is corrupt and not protecting humans from animal diseases.

Much cancer is contracted from eating animal flesh and animal products. Let us walk in the light as He is in the light.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on December 14, 2008, 04:32:23 PM
There has been little said about the risk of contracting CJD (human Mad Cow disease) from milk. Here is a scientific study that raises concern.


Since prion infectivity had never been reported in milk, dairy products originating from transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE)-affected ruminant flocks currently enter unrestricted into the animal and human food chain. However, a recently published study brought the first evidence of the presence of prions in mammary secretions from scrapie-affected ewes. Here we report the detection of consistent levels of infectivity in colostrum and milk from sheep incubating natural scrapie, several months prior to clinical onset. Additionally, abnormal PrP was detected, by immunohistochemistry and PET blot, in lacteal ducts and mammary acini. This PrPSc accumulation was detected only in ewes harbouring mammary ectopic lymphoid follicles that developed consequent to Maedi lentivirus infection. However, bioassay revealed that prion infectivity was present in milk and colostrum, not only from ewes with such lympho-proliferative chronic mastitis, but also from those displaying lesion-free mammary glands. In milk and colostrum, infectivity could be recovered in the cellular, cream, and casein-whey fractions. In our samples, using a Tg 338 mouse model, the highest per ml infectious titre measured was found to be equivalent to that contained in 6 µg of a posterior brain stem from a terminally scrapie-affected ewe. These findings indicate that both colostrum and milk from small ruminants incubating TSE could contribute to the animal TSE transmission process, either directly or through the presence of milk-derived material in animal feedstuffs. It also raises some concern with regard to the risk to humans of TSE exposure associated with milk products from ovine and other TSE-susceptible dairy species.  source (http://www.plospathogens.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.ppat.1000238)
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on October 13, 2009, 11:50:19 AM
Sometimes it helps those who are having difficulty accepting truth to hear it from what the world considers and "expert". Of course truth is not popular with most humans, so even an expert will not be able to convince one who does not want to be convinced. In 1994 I interviewed Dr. Virgil Hulse. He was a milk inspector for over 14 years prior to becoming a medical doctor. Dr. Hulse has since passed away, but leaves this important message for those who are interested in their health and the health of family and friends. More than this, he contradicts the leaders of the health work at the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. His message is in harmony with the light given to us as a people over a hundred years ago that soon there would be no safety in eating eggs and milk because of the increase in diseases in animals.

For those reading that are not of our faith, you may want to consider that God cares about your family. He gave this light to the world that we would not experience cancer and other diseases that are being transmitted via the consumption of animal flesh, milk, and eggs. The truth entrusted to us as a people so many years ago has proven to be truth over and over again. Today, as you listen to Dr. Hulse, you will agree that God warned us over a hundred years ago that milk ought not be consumed because of the risk of contracting Leukemia. Cancer is the leading disease that kills children under the age of 15 in the US. The leading cancer is Leukemia. If you will take a moment to read through this thread, you will better understand what is known today about Bovine Leukemia Virus.

Now, listen to Dr. Hulse in this video clip taken from a one hour interview 15 years ago as he explains the risk of using dairy products.  Milk Does the Body No Good (http://remnant-online.com/Video/milk.wmv)
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on October 13, 2009, 12:46:36 PM
Powerful interview, Richard. If one is not convinced by this, they choose not to be convinced.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: colporteur on October 13, 2009, 01:29:49 PM
Given the mass contamination factor in milk I wonder if it is any safer at this time than dead flesh.

Many in the church would say that there is so much information out there what can you believe? The reality is that if they are consuming dairy they are believing somebody but its just not the Testimony of the Lord.

The truth is so overwhelming. Even if dairy were disease free, and it is just the opposite, the fact that we are the only adult creatures on the earth that consumes milk naturally and then add to this that we consume milk that is not designed for humans to drink..... that alone shows that even under the very best of circumstances dairy use has a fractured foundation at the very core. Dairy consumption causes more disease and ailments than you can shake a stick at. When we add the mountain of concerns, dangers, and hazards involved with consuming processed bovine mucus, it makes one wonder how any thinking person not to mention any SDA person would want to touch it.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on October 13, 2009, 02:13:39 PM
After my little family gathered around our kitchen hearth made of up soy milk, their allergies are virtually non-existent and that is only two months into it. We have begun with small steps to prove the dangers of cow's milk and they are slowly being convinced just through the absence of fall allergies.

 

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on October 13, 2009, 02:17:47 PM
Not all dairy cows are infected with BLV. Some dairies have a high rate of infection, some a rather low. But, the milk from all cows at the dairy is mixed. Therefore all dairy is infected with Leukemia Virus.  I guess there could be a dairy that is free from BLV, but even then, you are going to have to find it. Otherwise your milk and dairy is coming out of a large tanker truck that mixes all of the cow milk together.

And, we are only discussing in this interview BLV, not other diseases that are in the milk. As I pointed out in another post, there is a risk that Mad Cow Disease is transmitted through milk also. And, if that is not a problem for some, they ought to work with Alzheimer's people for awhile. The evidence is mounting that it comes from eating animal products. The USDA knew many years ago that sheep are infected with a brain disease similar to that seen in dementia patients. Sheep get prion disease like Mad Cows and it has been in the US for many years. So, if one thinks that drinking goat milk frees one from risk, he is thinking wrong. As we were told, soon the time would come when disease in animals would increase so much that there would no safety in eating animal products.

Many fear chemical contamination in food, but the risk from this pales compared to the risk from infectious disease in animal products. Yes, Sister Sybil, what God has warned of can now be seen in science. We do not need a prophet to tell us that it is dangerous to eat dairy, we only  need a  little knowledge and a pure heart that wants to do right.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on October 13, 2009, 02:20:27 PM
"Fall allergies"?  What are these?

The immune system is burdened by milk with all of the disease in it. Remove the dairy and the immune system is able to deal with other things better. Watch out for casein in veggie cheese and other products. Casein is milk protein and is quite harmful.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on October 21, 2009, 10:10:36 AM
Since the interview with Dr. Hulse was 15 years ago, I decided to check and see how the USDA is doing in getting the Leukemia out of the milk supply. Dr. Hulse indicated that he thought around 80% of the dairies were infected with Bovine Leukemia. How is it today?

In 2007 Dairies in Which Bulk Tank Milk Tested Positive for Bovine Leukemia Virus===

In small dairies  with fewer than 100 cows   83% of the bulk milk tanks were infected
In medium size dairies with 100-499 cows    82% of the bulk milk tanks were infected
In large dairies 500 or more cows              100% of the bulk milk tanks were infected
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on October 21, 2009, 11:04:30 AM
Stunning statistics!  :o
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on October 21, 2009, 11:31:25 AM
The manner in which they present the statistics can lead one to believe things are better than they really are. They gave another stat, overall %.  It was in the 80s. But, in reality when one considers not the % of dairies, but the percentage of milk infected, how does that look? What is one's chance of getting dairy product in the US that is not infected with Leukemia? Your chances are better playing Russian roulette with a six shooter.

100% of the large dairies deliver Leukemia infected milk. Mothers need to know this. This is beyond the light given to us as a people. We do not need a prophet to advise us to not use dairy. When combined with the knowledge that virus cause cancer, what more does one need to know!  And, I cannot help but say that to those who have been given great light, much is expected. To remain silent is to be responsible for the pain and suffering of multitudes of little ones who have and will contract cancer. And, yes, adults also.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Colleenhf on October 31, 2009, 03:20:59 PM
Since the interview with Dr. Hulse was 15 years ago, I decided to check and see how the USDA is doing in getting the Leukemia out of the milk supply. Dr. Hulse indicated that he thought around 80% of the dairies were infected with Bovine Leukemia. How is it today?

In 2007 Dairies in Which Bulk Tank Milk Tested Positive for Bovine Leukemia Virus===

In small dairies  with fewer than 100 cows   83% of the bulk milk tanks were infected
In medium size dairies with 100-499 cows    82% of the bulk milk tanks were infected
In large dairies 500 or more cows              100% of the bulk milk tanks were infected

Richard, where did you get this information from?  I would like to provide it in a class but would like a reference.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on November 18, 2009, 06:41:17 AM
Most everywhere I go that the conversation gravitates toward dairy, I quote these more recent figures. People are consistently astounded yet they continue to offer it as a mainstay in their diet. Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia is consuming the tiny body of my 2nd cousin - he's four. As a reward for bravely enduring round after round of chemotherapy, he is taken to McDonalds for anything he wants, primarily milkshakes and a cheeseburger. :( I have several other 2nd cousins with severe allergies - very young children who drink close to a gallon of milk a day and had rather endure monthly injections than to give up the primary cause of their allergies and the link to their leukemia: cow's milk.

I have begged the mothers of these children to switch to soy or rice milk but they turn up their noses saying their children "don't like it and won't drink it," so they give in and continue to pour poison down the throats of their children because they have been trained by health professionals and the milk lobby that their children MUST have their milk. I am amazed. They consistently request prayer for their sick babies all the while they ignore solid evidence this liquid poison is keeping their children in a constant state of illness, even unto death.

I have begun praying for the parents of these kids, that their eyes may be opened to what they are doing to the very ones they are so desperate to save. It is a horrifying situation.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Vicki on November 18, 2009, 06:55:04 AM
I have begun praying for the parents of these kids, that their eyes may be opened to what they are doing to the very ones they are so desperate to save. It is a horrifying situation.

That appears to be the best way to confront the issue since you shared the truth and they rejected it. It's heartbreaking to watch little ones suffer because of the ignorance and stubborness of parents.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on November 18, 2009, 09:05:15 AM
Sorry to take so long in replying, Sister Colleen. Here is a link source (http://www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/ceah/ncahs/nahms/dairy/dairy07/Dairy07_is_BLV.pdf)
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on March 06, 2010, 08:17:37 PM
We have stated that a virus can cause cancer. Here we add to this fact.

It is well established that breast cancer in the mouse is caused by a virus, the mouse mammary tumor virus (MMTV), which is passed from mother to nursing babies via the milk. Mouse breast cancer is proof that a naturally occurring cancer can be caused by a virus swallowed in a food source.....BLV(Bovine Leukemia Virus) infections are not limited to cattle. The virus can infect sheep and non-human primates experimentally and cause cancer in the sheep.

Then the question comes to mind, are humans exposed to Bovine Leukemia Virus? Yes, 100% of the bulk milk tanks of large dairies are infected with Bovine Leukemia Virus. Is there anyway to know if humans have been infected with Bovine Leukemia Virus? Another indication of current or past infection with a virus is the presence of an immune response to the virus. This is usually determined by measuring antibodies to the virus in human blood. During this past two years we have completed tests (western blot analyses) for antibodies to BLV on over 240 human volunteers; over half were positive for antibodies to BLV.     source (http://www.cbcrp.org/research/PageGrant.asp?grant_id=207)

The leading cause of death by disease in children under the age of 15 is cancer. The number one cancer causing death is Leukemia. Where does this cancer come from? 


Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on March 07, 2010, 06:04:23 AM
2 + 2 = 100% assurance of the origin of this deadly cancer. It has been a blessing to warn of this danger to those who actually listen, do their research to "see if this is so," and come to the conclusion to completely set aside milk and all related products. Many whom I have warned are already battling cancer of some form and are starving for any information to help them improve their chances of survival. When they learn of poisoned dairy products, they are astonished and become more than ready for change. Mention "clean food" to them and a thought process begins to evaluate everything entering their bodies. What makes it "clean"? Absence of animal products. They are so thankful because they are so exceedingly desperate.

"Got Milk?" is one of the most deceptive advertising campaigns known to man. Satan is crafty and largely succeeds in convincing humans they must consume milk to be healthy. Our children are dying as a result and the aged are so cancer ridden that there is no cure strong enough to undo the damage. Prevention is the ONLY answer.

When will we realize humans are the only living group that continues to consume milk throughout its lifetime. Animals have God-given wisdom to wean their young and we don't. Quite incredible!  
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on March 07, 2010, 10:37:52 AM
Our children are dying as a result and the aged are so cancer ridden that there is no cure strong enough to undo the damage. Prevention is the ONLY answer.

Actually, while an ounce of prevention is worth at least 1,000 pounds of cure, it may be that with God's help, a change in lifestyle may extend life in even older folk who have cancer. God wants to bless and I think He will where blessings will follow. God is in the business of creating witnesses of His ways.

We have a topic on The China Study (http://remnant-online.com/smf/index.php?topic=3666.0) I cannot recommend the book highly enough. I spoke with T Colin Campbell just after they completed the study, long before he wrote the book. It is the most comprehensive study ever done on nutrition and health. The book is excellent and puts those in our teaching schools who have been given great light to shame. This man is honest and God has blessed him. He has shown the world the truth that we have been trying to share. He has proved through study and science what God gave through inspiration. The world is without excuse.

I want to quote from the book here in this topic because for those who still have not accepted the truth that dairy is not needed nor is it healthful, here is the best science to date on the subject. "I would never have dreamed that our results up to this point would be so incredibly consistent, biologically plausible and statistically significant. We have fully confirmed the original work from India and had done it in exceptional depth. Let there be no doubt: cow's milk protein is an exceptionally potent cancer promoter in rats dosed with aflatoxin. The fact that this promotion effect occurs at dietary protein levels (10-20%) commonly used both in rodents and humans makes it especially tantalizing--and provocative.  By modifying the amount of casein in the diet, they could turn cancer off  and on. By modifying the amount of aflatoxin in the diet, the cancer growth did not change.

This study gives great hope that by removing dairy from the diet, cancer growth may be able to be halted. It is worth buying the book to be convinced that we do not want to be putting dairy into our bodies.


Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on March 07, 2010, 12:59:29 PM
Incredible! Astounding! It can be turned "off and on"? I stand corrected in complete wonderment! Praise the Lord!
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on March 08, 2010, 10:19:29 AM
In that study it was turned off and on. There is always more than what we see. But, it is encouraging to see that the removal of the milk protein made such a starling difference in the growth of the cancer. Aflatoxin was thought to be one of the most carcinogenic substances and here we see that increasing or decreasing the amount of aflatoxin had no effect on the cancer whereas changing the amount of milk protein did. We could not ask for more astonishing evidence of the danger of dairy products. We accepted the danger of aflatoxin based upon evidence that pales in comparison.

If there were one uninspired book that all should read, it is The China Study, by T. Colin Campbell. God has blessed this honest man in his labors.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: stephen on March 15, 2010, 10:54:42 AM
I agree, Richard.  "The China Study" is a very helpful book with some amazing revelations within it's pages.  We use it in our health programs also.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on March 31, 2011, 05:35:27 AM
From CNN: Read more here: http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/03/31/radiation.us/index.html?hpt=T2

Washington (CNN) -- The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is increasing its nationwide monitoring of radiation as two states reported very low levels of radiation in milk.

The agency said Wednesday it is boosting its monitoring of radiation in milk, precipitation, drinking water, and other outlets. It already tracks radiation in those potential exposure routes through an existing network of stations across the country.

Results from screening samples of milk taken in the past week in Spokane, Washington, and in San Luis Obispo County, California, detected radioactive iodine at a level 5,000 times lower than the limit set by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, officials said.

The I-131 isotope has a very short half-life of about eight days, the EPA said, so the level detected in milk and milk products is expected to drop relatively quickly.

FDA senior scientist Patricia Hansen also said the findings are "miniscule" compared to what people experience every day.

Washington Gov. Chris Gregoire said tests confirmed the milk is safe to drink.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on June 06, 2011, 08:26:08 PM
A new strain of MRSA has been discovered in British milk, scientists report today. The superbug, resistant to antibiotics, has been isolated from samples of milk taken from farms around the country and has also infected humans. It is the first time MRSA has been found in farm animals in the UK. source (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/mrsa-superbug-is-found-in-british-milk-2292491.html)
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on June 06, 2011, 08:44:18 PM
Wow - that's huge news, very frightening news!
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on June 06, 2011, 09:39:43 PM
Well....I would rather have that than the Leukemia that is in the milk, or mad cow.  They say that the MRSA is killed by processing the milk.  The are concerned about the workers who handle the raw milk.  But, they also say that the Leukemia Virus is killed by processing.  They have a lot to learn.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on June 07, 2011, 06:20:41 AM
They surely do. I noticed how quickly they provided a remedy.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on July 08, 2011, 05:30:00 AM
A friend passed this on ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2012050/The-cocktail-20-chemicals-glass-milk.html
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on March 14, 2012, 10:13:39 AM
Many years ago the medical profession warned mothers to not feed babies under age one cow milk. There was concern that it could lead to type one diabetes.  A most serious matter. Type one involves the destruction of the pancreas' ability to produce insulin.

Today, there is research being done in this area.  A new Finnish study revealed the same concern. In this study they modified the milk and tested it on babies. One batch was an insulin-free cow's milk formula. They found it reduces type 1 diabetes mellitus-associated autoantibodies in children at genetic risk. In other words, the milk that was not modified put at risk babies drinking it for type one diabetes.  And, the insulin free milk "reduced" the type one diabetes associated autoantibodies. It did not eliminate them.

Science has not yet begun yelling out that milk infected with bovine leukemia causes serious health problems for children. They have not reversed their teaching on the need for children to drink cow milk.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: colporteur on March 14, 2012, 03:33:27 PM
I  was visiting by phone with a family member the other day. They said they observed a local animal expert put on a seminar about pets. He said that never under any circumstances should an owner feed their adult dog or cat cows milk.

I wonder if he feels the same way about feeding adult humans cows milk. Perhaps he does.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on April 21, 2012, 02:46:28 PM
I have often seen it stated that Bovine Leukemia Virus does not cause cancer in cows. It is a lie. Here is a current published article that reveals the truth about the Leukemia Virus found in most dairy products.

HindawiPublishingCorporation
VeterinaryMedicineInternational
Volume 2012,ArticleID350374,5pages
doi:10.1155/2012/350374

ResearchArticle

UsingaHerdProfileto DetermineAge-SpecificPrevalenceof
Bovine LeukemiaVirusinMichigan DairyHerds

RonaldJ. Erskine,1PaulC.Bartlett,1ToddM.Byrem,2 ChelseaL.Render,1
CatherineFebvay,1 andJessicaT.Houseman2


1DepartmentofLargeAnimalClinicalSciences,MichiganStateUniversity, East Lansing,MI 48824, USA
2AntelBioSystems,DivisionofNorthStarCooperative,Inc., Lansing,MI 48909, USA


Correspondence shouldbe addressedtoRonaldJ.Erskine,erskine@cvm.msu.edu

Received4November 2011;Accepted 31January2012

Academic Editor:HansJ.Nauwynck

Copyright©2012RonaldJ. Erskineetal.Thisis anopen access article distributed under the Creative Commons Attribution
License,which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium,provided the original work is properly
cited.

Enzootic bovine leukosis is a contagious disease of cattle caused by the retrovirus, bovine leukemia virus (BLV) and is the most common cause of malignant neoplasm in cattle.

What is a malignant neoplasm? It is a malignant tumor; metastatic tumor, or in simple language that most  can understand, cancer. BLV does indeed cause cancer.  The infection rate in diary herds around the world is very high. The virus crosses the specie barrier.

We understand that in cows the virus load is a factor in the development of tumors. In other words, if the virus does infect humans, which it does, and if this virus causes cancer in humans, then the amount of dairy consumed will have an effect on the likely-hood of the development of cancer at an early age.

And if it is possible to be healed of  cancer, and it is has been shown to happen, then the virus load is an important consideration.  I would think that removing all virus from food and water consumption would be first on the list of things to do.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on June 14, 2012, 05:14:59 AM
Milk fats may alter gut bacteria causing bowel diseases
By James Gallagher Health and science reporter, BBC News

[photo]Woman in pain Inflammatory bowel diseases are becoming more common


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The rise of inflammatory bowel diseases could be down to our shifting diets causing a "boom in bad bacteria", according to US researchers.

Mouse experiments detailed in the journal Nature linked certain fats, bacteria in the gut and the onset of inflammatory diseases.

The researchers said the high-fat diet changed the way food was digested and encouraged harmful bacteria.

Microbiologists said modifying gut bacteria might treat the disease.

Inflammatory bowel diseases (IBDs), such as Crohn's and ulcerative colitis, affect one in every 350 people in the UK. When the gut becomes inflamed it can lead to abdominal pain and diarrhoea.

The researchers at the University of Chicago said the incidence of the diseases was increasing rapidly.

Read more here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18432652
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on June 14, 2012, 06:34:54 AM
"healthy fat linked to bower disease".    Dairy is not healthy.  It is being shown in this study to cause bowel disease. Most dairy products  are diseased and are killing people.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on June 14, 2012, 06:42:05 AM
I have reported on this in the past, but here is another reminder that a leukemia virus which infects most dairy also infects humans.  Much has been done since this was published in 1997.


Initial Award Abstract (1996)
The purpose of the research proposed here is to determine whether: 1) humans can become infected with bovine leukemia virus; 2) such an infection occurs through consumption of foodstuffs from infected cows; 3) infection with BLV could lead to developing breast cancer. It is well established that breast cancer in the mouse is caused by a virus, the mouse mammary tumor virus, which is passed from mother to nursing babies via the milk. Attempts to find an analogous virus in human milk passed from mother to baby have failed. Since humans drink more cow's milk than they do human milk, perhaps cows would be a more promising target in the search for a milk-transmitted agent of human breast cancer.

Bovine leukemia virus (BLV) is a cancer-causing virus of cattle which can be passed from mother cow to calf via the milk. BLV commonly infects dairy and beef cattle and is found in the marketed milk and meat of these animals. Most infected cattle do not actually develop leukemia, but remain healthy and are not removed from the herd. Consumption of unpasteurized dairy products or undercooked beef could possibly allow transmission of infectious virus to humans. BLV infections are not limited to cattle. The virus can infect sheep and nonhuman primates experimentally and cause cancer in the sheep. In the laboratory it can infect the cells of many species including humans and other primates. We recently discovered that BLV may infect the breast cells of cows and cause these cells to behave more like cancer cells. This indicates that the tissue preference of this "leukemia" virus is not limited to blood cells.

We propose here a pilot study to examine the first aspect of the overall proposal, whether humans can become infected with BLV. Human breast tissues removed during surgery, breast tissue sections received from a pathologist, cells from milk and colostrum, and blood cells will be searched for evidence of different components of BLV using cellular and molecular techniques (immunocytochemistry, PCR, and in situ reverse transcriptase PCR). Human blood will be tested for antibodies to BLV. Our preliminary results suggest that the breast cells of some women are infected with BLV and that some humans have antibodies to BLV. The potential impact of the project is through prevention of these cancers by elimination of BLV in cattle, interception of its transmission from cattle to humans, or vaccination of humans.


Final Report (1997)
The purpose of the research proposed here is to determine whether 1) humans can become infected with bovine leukemia virus; 2) such an infection occurs through consumption of foodstuffs from infected cows; 3) infection with BLV could lead to developing breast cancer. This relates to BCRP Cycle II priorities of etiology and prevention. It is well established that breast cancer in the mouse is caused by a mammary tumor virus, which is passed from mother to nursing babies via the milk. Mouse breast cancer is proof that a naturally occurring cancer can be caused by a virus swallowed in a food source. Attempts to find an analogous virus in human milk passed from mother to baby have not been conclusive. Since humans drink more cows’ milk than they do human milk perhaps cows would be a more promising place to search for a milk-transmitted. agent of human breast cancer. Bovine leukemia virus (BLV) is a cancer-causing virus of cattle, which can be passed from mother cow to calf via the milk. BLV commonly infects dairy and beef cattle and is found in the marketed milk and meat of these animals. Most infected cattle do not actually develop leukemia, but remain healthy and are not removed from the herd. Consumption of unpasteurized dairy projects or undercooked beef could possibly allow transmission of infectious virus to humans. We recently discovered that BLV might infect the breast cells of cows and cause these cells to behave more like cancer cells. This indicates that the tissue preference of this "leukemia" virus is not limited to blood cells.

This research has addressed the first aspect of the overall proposal, whether humans can become infected with BLV. Human breast tissues removed during surgery, breast tissue sections received from a pathologist, and cells from milk and blood were searched for evidence of different components of BLV using cellular and molecular techniques (immunocytochemistry, PCR, and in situ hybridization). Human blood was tested for antibodies to BLV. We detected evidence of BLV DNA in blood cells from 9 of 22 human volunteers and in surgically removed breast tissues from 10 of 23 patients. We found evidence of BLV proteins in breast tissues from 8 of 26 patients. Antibodies to BLV were found in the serum of over half of the 100 human volunteers tested. These preliminary results suggest that humans may be infected with BLV. If subsequent studies confirm this and BLV is eventually shown to play a role in the development of breast cancer, prevention would be relatively simple: 1) by elimination of BLV in cattle (vaccination, isolation, or extermination); 2) by interception of transmission from cattle to humans (education to thoroughly cook beef and not consume raw milk products); or by 3) vaccination of humans.     UC Berkeley (http://cbcrp.org.127.seekdotnet.com/research/PageGrant.asp?grant_id=107)
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on June 14, 2012, 07:02:26 AM
Amen. The research in this area is undeniable and so is personal experience. While we have some in our homes who do not practice health reform (against all scientific evidence), we offer not only the best counsel to begin its practice, but we can see the result of a very small experiment. Such one was that of discarding milk (organic) in the diet for a period of 30 days. At the end of that period, milk was again taken and what happened? Nausea and stomach cramps. It was believed to be a fluke, so the experiment was repeated a few days later. The reaction was the same. It convinced the skeptic in my house.

Milk (and its related products) is a deadly food.   
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Vicki on July 25, 2012, 05:30:31 PM
The petition, from the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), states that it is scientifically proven that milk is high in animal fats, animal protein, and sugar (lactose), making it actually more harmful than helpful to bones.

"Research also shows that children can get all the calcium they need from non-dairy sources," says the petition, "such as beans, tofu, broccoli, kale, collard greens, breads, cereals, and non-dairy, fortified beverages, without any of the health detriments associated with dairy consumption." The petition recommends calcium-fortified soy milk and rice milk as good substitutes for dairy beverages.

The petition argues that "the promotion of milk ingestion in children is, in effect, the promotion of an ineffective placebo," noting that weight-bearing exercise has as much, or greater, effect on bone density than consumption of calcium. Further, PCRM says that the high animal protein and sodium content of milk "leaches calcium from the bones."

source (http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/milk-banned-school-lunches-161700572.html)
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on July 25, 2012, 10:59:00 PM
Good to see that the world, part of it, is getting educated!
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: JimB on October 01, 2012, 06:34:07 PM
Scientists have created a genetically modified (GM) cow that produces milk with low levels of a protein known to cause allergic reactions in a significant proportion of children. The researchers believe it could one day lead to the sale of "hypoallergenic" milk from herds of GM cows. Source (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-create-gm-cow-to-cut-milk-allergies-in-children-8193172.html)
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on October 01, 2012, 06:55:53 PM
No tail. Their cow had no tail. What else is it missing? And they call this advancement? I don't even know what to say.  :(
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: JimB on October 01, 2012, 07:06:11 PM
I understand. But those who like their milk will brush that off as no big deal. They even admitted that they don't know why for sure but came up with a supposedly reassuring reason.

Here is another part of the article which should raise some eyebrows.

"This reduction in the level of one milk protein was accompanied by an increase in others, namely the caseins. This is notable since it represents one of the few RNAi success stories in mammals and offers a good example of how these technologies can be used," he added.

If you know much about caseins that is not a good thing.
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Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on October 01, 2012, 07:27:31 PM
No, it isn't!
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on October 04, 2012, 06:04:55 PM
I have good news learned in a most difficult manner. My family is finally off of milk! YAY!

Because I never buy it for them, occasionally one will slip in a pint. And when they are feeling bold, a quart. That happened below my radar a few days ago and what happened? It made them violently ill. YAY! A very difficult lesson learned! They have crossed over to soy, almond and rice milks for good! Sad to say and pitying them all the more, some things are better experienced to finally get the message.

 
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Sister Dee on October 06, 2012, 02:14:54 PM
Rejoicing with you, Sybil!   :)
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on October 06, 2012, 03:03:45 PM
Thank you, Sister Dee - I am so very happy.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on October 09, 2012, 01:07:31 PM
A great joy in my life is that many children are allergic to milk and therefore are spared the risk of contracting Leukemia and other diseases from infected milk. Now, Satan has worked to overcome this protection for these children. Mothers are so determined to get milk for their children after being indoctrinated with a lie, their children need milk. Such a blatant lie.  Milk at one time was a good food, but that ended long ago when the cows became so sick that the milk was no longer healthy. Leukemia infects the larger percentage of all milk from cows. And, Scrapie infects many goats so that it is a very real danger in goat milk. Satan is at work to destroy all that God loves.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: colporteur on October 10, 2012, 12:54:51 PM
If I understand correctly animal milk of any kind has never truly been good food for humans whether we be babies or adults. All living creatures including humans wean their babies from mother's milk at a certain point. Cows milk for instance, even if we could be sure it was disease free, is not the right make up for humans. It is many times too high in protein. This leaches calcium from the bones. It is not very digestable for us. We are all lactose intolerant its just that some are more so than others. There are other issues as well, aside from the concern about disease.

    It is unnatural to drink milk as an adult. If we drink any at all it naturally should be human milk. That is not practical and even seems a bit gross. However, for some reason we do not seem to see it that way when it comes to drinking bovine mucus.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on May 01, 2013, 09:40:26 PM
It certainly was not in the original diet given to man. But, from what I read, there was a time when milk was a good source of food for some who did not have either knowledge or availability of a healthy diet without milk. That time was before animals became so sick that milk became a very real risk for transmitting diseases to humans through milk and eggs.

For those who still think that boiling milk from what appears to be a healthy cow or goat is safe, consider the following information provided by the Animal Health and Veterinary Laboratories Agency in England.       

"Classical scrapie can also be spread through colostrum and milk. If you purchase replacement colostrum or milk, you should only do so from flocks and herds which have been monitored for the past three years and in which scrapie has not been identified, particularly if you have genetically susceptible animals. In intensively managed flocks containing genetically susceptible animals, you can reduce the risk of spreading classical scrapie by avoiding using pooled colostrum and milk. In both cases cow colostrum and artificial milk replacers should be considered as an alternative." source (http://www.defra.gov.uk/ahvla-en/disease-control/notifiable/scrapie/)

We have pointed out in the past that spongiform disease can be spread by milk.  Sterilize it for as many hours as you want, and it will not stop the infectivity.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on May 02, 2013, 02:42:14 AM
This needs to be headline news.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: colporteur on August 20, 2013, 10:25:07 AM
The latest article in Adventist World by liberal doctors Handysides and Landless is entitled " Where's the Balance?"    It leads one to wonder why they are off balance. Early in the article the statement is made " To be perfectly frank, we believe both a well balanced vegan diet ( no meat. eggs. or dairy products) and a well balanced  lacto oval vegetarian diet (no meat but includes dairy and eggs) are both excellent diets."

Not a word is said about the high disease factor related to dairy and eggs as being problematic. They talk about bone loss for a vegan and not a word about the bone loss that dairy causes.  In this day and age a lacto oval diet is out of balance. If that's all one can get for food on an island somewhere that is one thing. But it is another thing where apple alternatives abound. H and L are either afraid to admit that the vegan diet is superior or else they are simply unbelievers.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on August 20, 2013, 02:19:51 PM
Since, according to the USDA report I read, much of the diary in the US is infected with Leukemia Virus, and Leukemia is the number one cancer that kills children under the age of 15, I think it is not appropriate to recommend dairy as a healthful food. And, for many who do not know that a virus can cause cancer, you need to know it. Cancer does not just happen, it is caused. And virus causes cancer. HPV is one that most all know cause cancer, cervical cancer. Something to consider when you tell someone that milk is good for you and children need it. The healthiest people I know are third generation strict vegetarians.  The countries with the highest per capita consumption of dairy have the highest incidence of osteoporosis. The countries with the lowest per capita consumption of dairy have the lowest incidence of osteoporosis.

So, one does not have to choose between osteoporosis and cancer.  Just a little testimony.  My daughter went to the dentist at age 17 never having tasted any kind of animal product in her life. No dairy, not one little drop. Little of fortified food. Mostly fresh fruit, vegetables,  grains, beans, nuts, and seeds. The dental staff were quite surprised as many would be, she had no need of any dental treatment, but had her teeth cleaned. God's ways are best. His original diet did not include any animal products. Therefore, Christians and Jews do not have to fear by following the blueprint God gave to us.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on October 29, 2014, 07:18:00 AM
New study on milk reported from CBS This Morning. Maybe light is beginning to shine on its dangers. When I locate the report, it will be posted. 

Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on October 29, 2014, 07:25:46 AM
LE ROUX PARIS (AFP) - Drink lots of milk to strengthen your bones and boost your health, doctors say.

But a study in The BMJ medical journal on Wednesday said Swedes with a high intake of cow's milk died younger - and women suffered more fractures. The findings may warrant questions about recommendations for milk consumption, although further research is needed, its authors said, as the association may be purely coincidental.

A Swedish team used data taken from 61,000 women aged 39 to 74 and monitored for about 20 years, and more than 45,000 men aged 45 to 79 followed for 11 years. The volunteers gave details about diet and lifestyle, body weight, smoking habits, exercise frequency, education level and marital status.

By the end of this long study period, 25,500 of the group had died and 22,000 had suffered a fracture. Higher milk intake was not accompanied by a lower risk of fractures but "may be associated with a higher rate of death", the study said.


- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/world/more-world-stories/story/can-you-drink-too-much-milk-study-links-milk-drinking-dying-youn#sthash.93Mo99hH.dpuf

More coverage: http://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/1627687/cows-milk-good-us-we-thought-study-suggests-not
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Mimi on October 29, 2014, 07:38:05 AM
Here is the abstract of the British Medical Journal study:

http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015



Here is a blogged summation from BMJ:

http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2014/10/29/the-bmj-today-is-milk-good-for-you/
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: JimB on February 09, 2017, 12:47:18 PM
Time to let the dairy industry fail? Interesting read. They don't mention the problem of disease transmission but still interesting.

A recent article by a dairy chief executive describes an industry in crisis, stating that demand for milk products are falling. It blames health professionals for warning the younger generations away from dairy, and speaks of a new ‘three-a-day’ dairy campaign to be launched soon. This initiative will promote daily portions of milk, butter and cheese.

But hang on a minute: why are we being told yet again to ignore the experts? At the risk of stating the obvious, surely when it comes to issues relating to health, health professionals are the ones with the answers. NHS guidelines state to use butter sparingly, and warn against the high fat and salt content in cheese, so the idea of promoting these products under the guise of a health initiative seems a tad bizarre.
Source (http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/tle-pick/is-it-time-to-let-dairy-fail/13/09/)
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on February 10, 2017, 07:33:14 AM
The milk producers leave cows on the milking line when they know they have Leukemia, this is causing their industry to fail. The dairy industry is attempting to persuade mothers that children need milk. This has always been untrue. They ought not lie about this. They are reaping what they have sown. 

Cancer is an epidemic, and the little children who have Leukemia pulls at the heartstrings. But, if they want to help find a cure for cancer, then they ought to follow the research that reveals the connection between the Leukemia in dairy and cancer in humans.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Ed Sutton on February 13, 2017, 04:33:48 AM
A Youtube about milk and meat as a disease vector .

  https://youtu.be/1Mf7KtDquyM   (https://youtu.be/1Mf7KtDquyM)

  https://youtu.be/GymmXdCDAxE    (https://youtu.be/GymmXdCDAxE)

Whether type 2 or type 1   Diabetes kills

  https://youtu.be/RT2hQkzN3jU    (https://youtu.be/RT2hQkzN3jU)
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on May 20, 2017, 11:41:12 AM
According to Raymond W. Sweeney, VMD University of Pennsylvania School of Veterinary Medicine New Bolton Center, it is rare to find a dairy with no cows infected with Bovine Leukemia Virus. See his slide presentation. (https://www.slideshare.net/DAIReXNET/bovine-leukosis-virus-what-is-it-and-what-does-it-mean-for-me) October 14, 2015.

(http://remnant-online.com/Images/bovineleukemia.jpg)

This graph showing % of dairies in US with Leukemia (BLV)infected cows is not an accurate assessment of how much dairy is infected. There are small dairies and large diaries. The number of dairies does not equate with amount of infected milk. Large dairies produce a lot more milk than small dairies. The number of cows infected is not an accurate assessment either. It only takes one cow in a diary to infect all of the milk in the storage tanks. This is a world-wide epidemic in dairy cows. Meat cows are also infected with BLV. This is shown in the slide program.

Dr. Sweeney also shows that the virus is transmissible and presents information that indicates it may lead to breast cancer.  He states the virus resides in white bloods cells, is lifelong, and has a long incubation period.  Think about these truths when putting food with dairy on a church table where others may become infected.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Ed Sutton on June 11, 2017, 03:06:42 PM
More virus's are appearing in meat & milk - even some that survive cooking.
  https://youtu.be/hXXygh5hWJA   (https://youtu.be/hXXygh5hWJA)


Notice liquid smoke once it contacts animal fats during cooking verses cooking with plants only           

animal viruses and cancer chemicals that are fully transmittable to humans are happening with ever greater frequency       https://youtu.be/7JOp3MMOwaw     (https://youtu.be/7JOp3MMOwaw)
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: colporteur on July 12, 2017, 12:47:44 PM

is anyone here familiar with Kevin H. Patterson ? We are having a disagreement. :-)  He is promoting dark chocolate and vinegar and says that diet has zero impact on the body's ph.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: colporteur on September 20, 2017, 05:44:11 PM

An article was published recently by LL where they say that some dairy is good for preventing colorectal cancer. They suggest that for vegans it could be good to consume some. 
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: colporteur on September 21, 2017, 06:00:14 AM


https://news.llu.edu/research/calcium-or-other-components-of-dairy-matter-protecting-against-colorectal-cancers-study-says


Cheese lovers are loving LL right now.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on September 21, 2017, 08:49:57 AM
Very sad indeed, cp. Here is a post  we made last week on the subject. Loma Linda (http://remnant-online.com/smf/index.php/topic,17947.msg189665.html#new)
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: colporteur on November 29, 2017, 03:07:40 PM

Does a person who does not consume meat, dairy or eggs need supplements, vitamins, meat, dairy and eggs to be healthy ? The results from my blood work came back today. With a protein recommendation of 6.1-8.1 my reading was at the top with 8.0. ( yet with zero meat, dairy or eggs intake). Calcium recommendation is 8.1-10.5; my reading was 9.0. ( That's with zero dairy intake) Glucose recommended range is 74-106; my reading- 85. Nitrogen range is 7-20; mine is -15. Potassium range is 3.5-5.1; mine is 4.6. Carbon Dioxide range is 21-33; mine is- 26. Chloride range is- 99-111; mine reading is -103. Cholestrol range 75-200; mine is 170. Triglycerides range 0-150. Mine -97. VLDL range is 5-40, mine is 19. B12 range- 239-931, mine- 620. The other 30 readings were all in the middle as well. The only thing that was low was vitamin D as in the mountains here there is a lot of cloud cover. I get no innoculations, take no medications or drugs, no supplements , no vitamins, and eat no animal products accept a little honey. I do not get the consistant exercise that I should but needless to say I am pretty happy with the results of my tests.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on April 13, 2019, 11:33:04 PM
Did the American dairy people get the Bovine Leukemia Virus (BLV) under control? It has gotten worse. A new national study was done in the US last year.

The objectives of the current study were to document the prevalence of BLV in a national sample of dairy herds and to provide a basic epidemiologic description of the infection in the US dairy industry. The mean standardized AP of BLV reported here, 46.5%, is higher than previously reported in the US by any other large, multiregion study and is consistent with an ongoing trend of increasing prevalence over the last 5 decades. This finding, together with all the current evidence from the US and other countries with no established BLV control program, points to the prospect of ever increasing BLV prevalence. As the prevalence of BLV increases, the cumulative economic loss associated with infection will also continue to increase, making it a threat to the long-term sustainability of the US dairy industry. Future BLV research should therefore focus on controlling BLV transmission and reducing BLV prevalence.     

Rebecca M. LaDronka
,1 Samantha Ainsworth,1 Melinda J. Wilkins,1 Bo Norby,1 Todd M. Byrem,2 and Paul C. Bartlett1

1Department of Large Animal Clinical Sciences, College of Veterinary Medicine, Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI 48824, USA
2North Star Cooperative, 4200 Forest Rd., Lansing, MI 48910, USA   Published 11 November 2018

No mention of human breast cancer, only the loss of income to dairy farmers if BLV is not controlled. Some European countries have done eradication programs to eliminate BLV from their herds, but not the US.
Title: Re: Milk and Dairy Products
Post by: Richard Myers on April 17, 2019, 07:40:19 AM
I just finished reading and article published at a very liberal  (apostate "SDA") website teaching that there is a lot of evidence that dairy does not cause most cancers, with the exception of prostate cancer. It is so very sad that so many want to continue using dairy and eggs for food when we were told that "soon" there would be no safety in doing so. And, we have much evidence that Bovine Leukemia Virus does indeed cause cancer. And, we know that it infects a lot of milk in many countries, and it is known to be in dairy cows and they are often left in the dairies to produce infected milk.

For over 20 years we have been presenting the evidence in this forum. Take time to read about the subject that you might be an influence for good especially for the little ones whose mothers think they are doing their children good by feeding them milk.