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How do you explain something beyond explanation? How does God bring us into a knowledge of His character? His love is everlasting, infinite, and higher than heaven! So to reach us He invites us to have a genuine experience with Him. We can seek to explain, in words, the loveliness of Jesus--but it is as we actually behold Him in the revelation of His life on earth from Bethlehem to Calvary's cross that the transformation begins in us. We gladly surrender to Him fully in true union of soul with Him and enter into joyful communion so that we are able to begin to comprehend the love of God that passes knowledge! Beholding the grace of God can change a sinful heart of unbelief yielded to Him fully into a new heart imbued with all of the fruits of the Spirit without one missing! This miracle is evidence of the gospel's power to change sinners into saints, and make us sons and daughters of God even while compassed with infirmity in this poor, dark speck of a world before Jesus comes again. Let us keep our eyes fixed on Him and have the experience He desires for us today!

"The only way in which we can gain a more perfect apprehension of truth is by keeping the heart tender and subdued by the Spirit of Christ. The soul must be cleansed from vanity and pride, and vacated of all that has held it in possession, and Christ must be enthroned within. Human science is too limited to comprehend the atonement. The plan of redemption is so far-reaching that philosophy cannot explain it. It will ever remain a mystery that the most profound reasoning cannot fathom. The science of salvation cannot be explained; but it can be known by experience. Only he who sees his own sinfulness can discern the preciousness of the Saviour." {The Desire of Ages, page 494, paragraph 4}

I cannot tell you how much it means for me when Jesus wakes me up really early to spend time with Him, and the experiential love, joy, and peace that floods my soul because of being in His presence, but I can invite you to join me, and as you join me, you also will experience an intimacy with Jesus that will create in you both the desire and capacity to invite another, and yet another to know the mystery of "Christ in you, the hope of glory" (Colossians 1:27). Praise the Lord!!
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Women's Ordination / Re: Rebellion Against the World Church of Seventh-day Adventists
« Last post by Marelis on January 22, 2019, 11:30:12 PM »
Shouldn't...Preach? Teach? Sit on board meetings and nominating committees?

Should...Visit and help the poor, sick and the widows? Clean the church? Provide for potlucks?

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Women's Ordination / Re: A Woman to Lead Men in Keene Texas Church
« Last post by Marelis on January 22, 2019, 11:21:51 PM »
I think that many people are too focused upon Gender rather than qualifications because of having the Holy Spirit and being fully consecrated to God.

Ellen G. White to Brother Johnson, Letter 33, 1879, Manuscript Releases, 19:55-56.
"You are not in sympathy with the great Head of the church. . . . This contemptible picking, faultfinding, seeking spot and stain, ridiculing, gainsaying, that you with some others have indulged in, has grieved the Spirit of God and separated you from God.
It is not always men who are best adapted to the successful management of a church. If faithful women have more deep piety and true devotion than men, they could indeed by their prayers and their labors do more than men who are unconsecrated in heart and life."
Thank you, Claudia.
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I think that's it, Br Myers. At this point in Earth's history our first work is to ensure we are right with God and are being made fit for heaven. And having a sense of urgency for souls, male or female, we will do God's work wherever and at whatever level He calls us.

I do want to understand, though, what work/duties you don't think a woman ought to be ideally doing in the church.

Mrs. White answers that question. Marelis
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The Desire of Ages / Re: The Desire of Ages--52--The Divine Shepherd
« Last post by Beacon on January 22, 2019, 11:42:29 AM »
"Through all our trials we have a never-failing Helper. He does not leave us alone to struggle with temptation, to battle with evil, and be finally crushed with burdens and sorrow. Though now He is hidden from mortal sight, the ear of faith can hear His voice saying, Fear not; I am with you. "I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore." Revelation 1:18. I have endured your sorrows, experienced your struggles, encountered your temptations. I know your tears; I also have wept. The griefs that lie too deep to be breathed into any human ear, I know. Think not that you are desolate and forsaken. Though your pain touch no responsive chord in any heart on earth, look unto Me, and live. "The mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but My kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of My peace be removed, saith the Lord that hath mercy on thee." Isaiah 54:10. "
     
"Jesus knows us individually, and is touched with the feeling of our infirmities. He knows us all by name. He knows the very house in which we live, the name of each occupant. He has at times given directions to His servants to go to a certain street in a certain city, to such a house, to find one of His sheep. Every soul is as fully known to Jesus as if he were the only one for whom the Saviour died. He says, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." He cares for each one as if there were not another on the face of the earth.

Is it not amazing that all of this has been given to us free of charge at a time when we were most unworthy!!!

"Surely He hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows. . . . He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned everyone to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all." Isaiah 53:4-6. 

What more can we say except - THANK YOU JESUS FOR YOUR AMAZING LOVE & GRACE...

 
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Women's Ordination / Re: Rebellion Against the World Church of Seventh-day Adventists
« Last post by Marelis on January 22, 2019, 11:09:16 AM »
I think that's it, Br Myers. At this point in Earth's history our first work is to ensure we are right with God and are being made fit for heaven. And having a sense of urgency for souls, male or female, we will do God's work wherever and at whatever level He calls us.

I do want to understand, though, what work/duties you don't think a woman ought to be ideally doing in the church.
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The Desire of Ages / Re: The Desire of Ages--52--The Divine Shepherd
« Last post by Dorine on January 22, 2019, 10:27:58 AM »
Through all our trials we have a never-failing Helper. He does not leave us alone to struggle with temptation, to battle with evil, and be finally crushed with burdens and sorrow. Though now He is hidden from mortal sight, the ear of faith can hear His voice saying, Fear not; I am with you. "I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore." Revelation 1:18. I have endured your sorrows, experienced your struggles, encountered your temptations. I know your tears; I also have wept. The griefs that lie too deep to be breathed into any human ear, I know. Think not that you are desolate and forsaken. Though your pain touch no responsive chord in any heart on earth, look unto Me, and live. "The mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but My kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of My peace be removed, saith the Lord that hath mercy on thee." Isaiah 54:10.   

By faith I believe that Jesus will do all that He promises to do if I am faithful to His word. His promise here reminds me of the 23rd Psalm. He supplies our every need.

And then there is this familiar text that I love..."He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust." Psalm 91:1,2

We have nothing to fear for we are in the hands and heart of God. Jesus has gone before us and knows the way. Some will follow but many will not. There is a world out there that needs to hear the truth of God's love for them. They need to see it in the lives of God's people. Everyone has probably heard this before but it goes something like this....."If you were accused of being a Christian would they be able to convict you?"
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cp, if the lesson has significant error in lesson 12, it may have an impact on our current lessons. Where does he feel this quarter's lesson is off?

Many places

http://adventistdistinctivemessages.com/English/Documents/ApostasySSRevedfinal.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2fHfO7HOa8HLdXMfqRTGkFYL2ZBZTsu8--roO_4jFqzLi6FJ6FGoVDHoQ

He has issues with the Trumpets etc.. Regarding Lesson 12 He seems to indicate that the lesson skirts the application of the Scarlet Woman being the papacy and directs it more to the Sanctuary priests and to a proligate woman. Personally, though the lesson does not punch the application of the Scarlet Woman being the papacy like it could I believe that the application is made. I believe he is majoring in minors here. His issues with the application of the Trumpets and such I have not looked at.
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The Desire of Ages / Re: The Desire of Ages--52--The Divine Shepherd
« Last post by Pastor Sean Brizendine on January 22, 2019, 06:55:42 AM »
Amen, Richard and Jim!

As we contemplate the loveliness of Jesus, what is it that really is changing in us? Even at conversion, we still remain in fallen flesh and find no good thing in us by nature. Thus, conversion brings to us a new heart, a new mind, and a new Spirit that we receive in the place of letting the deceitful, wicked heart of unbelief, the flesh, the world, and the devil control us. Christ offers us new thoughts (His word) which brings transformation in our character, so that by His grace we may have thoughts and feelings that are harmonious with Him. But when the world, the flesh, and the devil assails us with thoughts and feelings that are not in harmony with the divine nature, we are to turn from them as resolutely as we would turn from Satan himself. Let us keep our eyes focused on Christ, and the things of the world, the flesh, and the devil will grow strangely dim as the glory of His loveliness, beheld, transforms us from glory to glory, from one degree of perfection of character to the next! At each step in true conversion, there is manifest all of the fruits of the Spirit without one missing as long as we choose Christ by a full-heart surrender and cooperate with the infinite power of the Holy Spirit to keep us from sin! What a wonderful miracle!!!

"The contemplation of the love of God manifested in His Son will stir the heart and arouse the powers of the soul as nothing else can. Christ came that He might re-create the image of God in man; and whoever turns men away from Christ is turning them away from the source of true development; he is defrauding them of the hope and purpose and glory of life. He is a thief and a robber." {The Desire of Ages, page 478, paragraph 2}
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The Desire of Ages / Re: The Desire of Ages--52--The Divine Shepherd
« Last post by Richard Myers on January 22, 2019, 06:31:27 AM »
Amen Jim, this is the key to salvation.

 It is not the fear of punishment, or the hope of everlasting reward, that leads the disciples of Christ to follow Him. They behold the Saviour's matchless love, revealed throughout His pilgrimage on earth, from the manger of Bethlehem to Calvary's cross, and the sight of Him attracts, it softens and subdues the soul. Love awakens in the heart of the beholders. They hear His voice, and they follow Him.


His matchless love, His loveliness reveals the grace of God and this brings forth a new life. This is the grace that saves. By beholding this grace, His glory, we are transformed. At conversion the heart is wholly given to Christ and we having beheld His glory are recreated in His image. The Bible tells us this most profoundly. "But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, [even] as by the Spirit of the Lord." 2 Cor. 3:18.
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