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« on: April 01, 2007, 09:07:00 PM »
[The Global Warming movement is more than what it purports to be. Activists stress that their conclusions are based purely on "science," but when other scientists raise questions about their methods and their conclusion, they consistently avoid, demean, and seek to discredit contrary opinion.]

Activists Trying to Shut Down Climate Debate, Skeptics Say [Excerpts]

Climate change skeptics - and journalists who report on them - have become the target of a campaign aimed at stifling legitimate debate at a time when Congress is planning an aggressive new environmental push.

This is the assessment of environmental scientists and free market advocates who see a concerted effort to silence and de-fund think tanks that publish material challenging "prevailing global warming orthodoxy."

Bonner Cohen, author of "The Green Wave: Environmentalism and Its Consequences" said in an interview with Cybercast News Service that the censorship campaign hinges on two key components - a call for congressional oversight leading effectively to "show trials" aimed at discrediting global warming skeptics and an assault on press freedom.

At issue is a report issued by the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) earlier this month accusing ExxonMobil funded "contrarian scientists" and "ideological advocacy groups" of a "disinformation campaign" aimed at deceiving and "confusing" the public about the connection between human activity and climate change.

It also criticized media organizations for quoting scientists who criticize the UCS views as being out of step with mainstream opinion.

The UCS report took aim at "climate contrarians" affiliated with the  Independent Institute such as Fred Singer, David Legates and Frederick Seitz, accusing them of bucking the scientific consensus.

Singer, an environmental scientist at the University of Virginia, told Cybercast News Service that proponents of global warming models that see a significant correlation between human activity and rising temperatures are "afraid they might lose the debate" because their data is unlikely to withstand scrutiny.

"The facts and the data are pretty convincing now," he said. "Any warming taking place is largely due to natural variability, not human activity. The way we can tell is by comparing the pattern of warming with what greenhouse warming models predict. They don't agree."

Cohen also took issue with the UCS's invoking of "consensus."

"Science does not run by consensus," he said, adding that the organization was simply trying to "shut off debate." "Tell me where I'm wrong on the issues," said Ben Lieberman of the Heritage Foundation, another organization named in the UCS report.

"What's really going on here is the skeptical arguments have merit and they are resonating with American people," Lieberman said. As a result, "there's a frustration on the part of alarmists who have not been able to scare the American people."

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp Page=/Culture/archive/200701/CUL20070123a.hml


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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2007, 09:12:00 PM »
The Weather Channel Mess [Excerpts] January 18, 2007 | James Spann | Op/Ed

Well, well. Some “climate expert” on “The Weather Channel” wants to take away AMS certification from those of us who believe the recent “global warming” is a natural process. So much for “tolerance”, huh?

I have been in operational meteorology since 1978, and I know dozens and dozens of broadcast meteorologists all over the country. Our big job: look at a large volume of raw data and come up with a public weather forecast for the next seven days. I do not know of a single TV meteorologist who buys into the man-made global warming hype. I know there must be a few out there, but I can’t find them. Here are the basic facts you need to know:

*Billions of dollars of grant money is flowing into the pockets of those on the man-made global warming bandwagon. No man-made global warming, the money dries up. This is big money, make no mistake about it. Always follow the money trail and it tells a story. Even the lady at “The Weather Channel” probably gets paid good money for a prime time show on climate change. No man-made global warming, no show, and no salary. Nothing wrong with making money at all, but when money becomes the motivation for a scientific conclusion, then we have a problem. For many, global warming is a big cash grab.

*The climate of this planet has been changing since God put the planet here. It will always change, and the warming in the last 10 years is not much different than the warming we saw in the 1930s and other decades.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm FuseAction=PressRoom.Blogs&ContentRecord_id 3a9bc8a4-802a-23ad-4065-7dc37ec39adf


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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2007, 12:06:00 PM »
If it were not for the hatred of God by most of these liberals, one might consider what they have to say. But, since they mostly are highly immoral, and the earth will soon return to a nice warm climate, I cannot get excited about the call by the liberal world to join with them in dousing the fires by which many in the world still keep warm.

And, the great white leader of these strange sayings is a hypocrite who uses a thousand times more carbon dioxide producing engines than I would ever think of. When he sells his house, cars, lawn mower, and swears to not use any internal combustion engine ever again, then we can talk  about the need for me to stop using my wood-stove to keep from freezing in the winter. This is the same group who don't want us to build any more electric generating plants or gasoline refineries, or drill for oil.

How do they think the world is going to eat? We are living in the last days when most will not want to return to the new earth where there will be no winter. They might as well enjoy the few years that are left on this old earth and use their oil before it soon will be burned up with the rest of the carbon in this earth.

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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2007, 05:29:00 AM »
Meteorologist Likens Fear of Global Warming to 'Religious Belief' [Excerpts]

An MIT meteorologist dismissed alarmist fears about human induced global warming as nothing more than 'religious beliefs.'

"Do you believe in global warming? That is a religious question. So is the second part: Are you a skeptic or a believer?" said Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor Richard Lindzen, in a speech to about 100 people at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

"Essentially if whatever you are told is alleged to be supported by 'all scientists,' you don't have to understand [the issue] anymore. You simply go back to treating it as a matter of religious belief," Lindzen said. His speech was titled, "Climate Alarmism: The Misuse of 'Science'" and was sponsored by the free market George C. Marshall Institute. Lindzen is a professor at MIT's Department of Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Sciences.

Once a person becomes a believer of global warming, "you never have to defend this belief except to claim that you are supported by all scientists -- except for a handful of corrupted heretics," Lindzen added.

According to Lindzen, climate "alarmists" have been trying to push the idea that there is scientific consensus on dire climate change.

"With respect to science, the assumption behind the [alarmist] consensus is science is the source of authority and that authority increases with the number of scientists [who agree.] But science is not primarily a source of authority. It is a particularly effective approach of inquiry and analysis. Skepticism is essential to science -- consensus is foreign," Lindzen said.

Alarmist predictions of more hurricanes, the catastrophic rise in sea levels, the melting of the global poles and even the plunge into another ice age are not scientifically supported, Lindzen said.

"It leads to a situation where advocates want us to be afraid, when there is no basis for alarm. In response to the fear, they want us to do what they want," Lindzen said.

Recent reports of a melting polar ice cap were dismissed by Lindzen as an example of the media taking advantage of the public's "scientific illiteracy."

"The thing you have to remember about the Arctic is that it is an extremely variable part of the world," Lindzen said. "Although there is melting going [on] now, there has been a lot of melting that went on in the [19]30s and then there was freezing. So by isolating a section ...they are essentially taking people's ignorance of the past," he added.

The only consensus that Lindzen said exists on the issue of climate change is the impact of the Kyoto Protocol, the international treaty to limit greenhouse gases, which the U.S. does not support.

Kyoto itself will have no discernible effect on global warming regardless of what one believes about climate change," Lindzen said.

"Claims to the contrary generally assume Kyoto is only the beginning of an ever more restrictive regime. However this is hardly ever mentioned," he added.

The Kyoto Protocol aims to reduce the emission of greenhouse gases to 1990 levels by the year 2010. But Lindzen claims global warming proponents ultimately want to see a 60 to 80 percent reduction in greenhouse gasses from the 1990 levels. Such reductions would be economically disastrous, he said.

"If you are hearing Kyoto will cost billions and trillions," then a further reduction will ultimately result in "a shutdown" of the economy, Lindzen said.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200412/CUL20041202a.html


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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2007, 05:40:00 AM »
[What drives the "Man Caused Global Warming" movement? Is it overwhelming evidence from science? As many have noted, the movement itself presents a number of features that clearly distinguish it from scientific inquiry. Consider the remarks of Democratic Senator Barbara Boxer during an appearance on Larry King Live.]

"There's really a climate of hope, not fear, because we are listening to the scientists, and yes, there are always a few who are the naysayers just like there were people who said the earth is flat, but eventually there's a consensus. We know there's a consensus that has built, and I'm not going to debate anymore whether this is happening. I know it's happening" (Senator Barbara Boxer, Larry King Live, 1/31/07).

The process of of Consensus building is defined as "a decision-making process that not only seeks the agreement of most participants, but also to resolve or mitigate the objections of the minority to achieve the most agreeable decision"
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decsion-making).

Simply put, consensus building is not "science," but simply the imposition of the majority opinion upon a minority regardless of the validity of scientific data presented. Although a compliant media has run a few articles protesting the "suppression" of the science "proving"  global warming (with experts quoted being primarily radical believers in the same), the pressure and marginalizing of dissenters is growing.

Please note, there is no room for truth or empirical evidence in consensus building as manifested today. It is nothing more or less than a "religious belief." This is demonstrated by another guest on the same Larry King Live program. Dr. Heidi Cullen has suggested that any TV meteorologist certified by the American Meteorological Society who did not believe in manmade global warming theory be decertified
(http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm FuseAction=PressRoom.Blogs&ContentRecord_id32abc0b0-802a-23ad-440a-88824bb8e528). [Is this not the same attitude we are told will be exhibited towards those who obey God and keep the Sabbath in the last days? Belive as they belive and command or you will lose your job!]

That is hardly indicative of a something supported by overwhelming scientific evidence. How does Senator Boxer know it is happening? Why, she believes it is happening!


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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2007, 09:03:00 PM »
Al Gore 'doesn't know what he's talking about,' storm forecaster says [EXCERPTS]

A top hurricane forecaster called Al Gore a gross alarmist? Friday for making an Oscar-winning documentary about global warming.

"He's one of these guys that preaches the end of the world type of things. I think he's doing a great disservice and he doesn't know what he's talking about," Dr. William Gray said in an interview with The Associated Press at the National Hurricane Conference in New Orleans...

Rather than global warming, Gray believes a recent uptick in strong hurricanes is part of a multi-decade trend of alternating busy and slow periods related to ocean circulation patterns. Contrary to mainstream thinking, Gray believes ocean temperatures are going to drop in the next five to 10 years.

http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070406/NEWS01/70406036/1006


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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2007, 09:15:00 PM »
National Geographic: Melting Mars Means Man Made Global Warming a Myth
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An absolutely startling report about climate change was published Wednesday in National Geographic which stated ³the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun² and not by man.

Unfortunately, as this goes counter to the position of an alarmist media and their seeming field general, Dr. Global Warming aka Al Gore, it seems quite unlikely that these revelations will be covered in today's papers or evening newscasts.

Regardless, the earth-shattering piece began:

Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural -- and not a human induced to one scientist's controversial theory.

The article marvelously continued:

Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. (Get an overview: "Global Warming Fast Facts".)

Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures.

In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.

Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.

"The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.

http://newsbusters.org/node/11122

[By covering the religious aspects of the global warming movement, we have been accused of dabbling in politics. To the contrary, more and more evidence is emerging to demonstrate that the idea of man-caused climate change is believed with great fervor by many of its exponents and has become their religion.

Finally, it is good to remember the unfailing promise of the Word of God: "While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease" (Genesis 8:22).]


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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2007, 10:39:00 PM »
I would like to express my appreciation for this thread. I am becoming increasingly dependent on this e-list for well-rounded, factual information on the signs of the times. The media has been largely one-sided in its reports, although I was fortunately aware of a different voice on the part of a local professor. The significant strands of the various sides of this issue are represented here succinctly for the layman, such as myself, to be able to grasp in a few minutes reading. Heartfelt thanks to Brothers Cop and Richard.

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National Geographic: Melting Mars Means Man Made Global Warming a Myth
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An absolutely startling report about climate change was published Wednesday in National Geographic which stated ³the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun² and not by man.

Unfortunately, as this goes counter to the position of an alarmist media and their seeming field general, Dr. Global Warming aka Al Gore, it seems quite unlikely that these revelations will be covered in today's papers or evening newscasts.

Regardless, the earth-shattering piece began:

Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural -- and not a human induced to one scientist's controversial theory.

The article marvelously continued:

Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. (Get an overview: "Global Warming Fast Facts".)

Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures.

In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.

Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.

"The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.

http://newsbusters.org/node/11122

[By covering the religious aspects of the global warming movement, we have been accused of dabbling in politics. To the contrary, more and more evidence is emerging to demonstrate that the idea of man-caused climate change is believed with great fervor by many of its exponents and has become their religion.

Finally, it is good to remember the unfailing promise of the Word of God: "While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease" (Genesis 8:22).]



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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2007, 12:04:00 AM »
The 'Old' Consensus? [Excerpts]

Did NASA scientist James Hansen, the global warming alarmist in chief, once believe we were headed for . . . an ice age? An old Washington Post story indicates he did.

On July 9, 1971, the Post published a story headlined "U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming." It told of a prediction by NASA and Columbia University scientist S.I. Rasool. The culprit: man's use of fossil fuels.

The Post reported that Rasool, writing in Science, argued that in "the next 50 years" fine dust that humans discharge into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuel will screen out so much of the sun's rays that the Earth's average temperature could fall by six degrees.

Sustained emissions over five to 10 years, Rasool claimed, "could be sufficient to trigger an ice age."

Aiding Rasool's research, the Post reported, was a "computer program developed by Dr. James Hansen," who was, according to his resume, a Columbia University research associate at the time.

So what about those greenhouse gases that man pumps into the skies? Weren't they worried about them causing a greenhouse effect that would heat the planet, as Hansen, Al Gore and a host of others so fervently believe today?

"They found no need to worry about the carbon dioxide fuel-burning puts in the atmosphere," the Post said in the story, which was spotted last week by Washington resident John Lockwood, who was doing research at the Library of Congress and alerted the Washington Times to his finding.

Hansen has some explaining to do. The public deserves to know how he was converted from an apparent believer in a coming ice age who had no worries about greenhouse gas emissions to a global warming fear monger.

This is a man, as Lockwood noted in his message to the Times' John McCaslin, who has called those skeptical of his global warming theory "court jesters." We wonder: What choice words did he have for those who were skeptical of the ice age theory in 1971?

People can change their positions based on new information or by taking a closer or more open-minded look at what is already known. There's nothing wrong with a reversal or modification of views as long as it is arrived at honestly.

But what about political hypocrisy? It's clear that Hansen is as much a political animal as he is a scientist. Did he switch from one approaching cataclysm to another because he thought it would be easier to sell to the public? Was it a career advancement move or an honest change of heart on science, based on empirical evidence?

If Hansen wants to change positions again, the time is now. With NASA having recently revised historical temperature data that Hansen himself compiled, the door has been opened for him to embrace the ice age projections of the early 1970s.

Could be he's feeling a little chill in the air again.

("The 'Old' Consensus?", "Investor's Business Daily," 9/21/2007.)

[Some have criticized posting stories addressing Global Warming as not being religious oriented. But in view of the political, and more importantly, obvious religious elements that drive this movement, this is an area needing watchfulness. Further, revelations that James Hansen received $720,000 in 2006 from leftist George Soros might be an indication that scientific consensus has a price.]


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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2007, 12:41:00 PM »
Since it is going to cost more for gasoline, natural gas, and other energy related items that we depend upon today, I have become concerned. These God haters wish to take away my wood stove also. So, I have no other solution except to pray for warmer weather!  It is very cold without any way to heat my home. Of course many who want to take away our heaters don't have a problem with heating their huge homes and flying in their private jets. Hypocrites!  You are already causing pain and suffering for those who are not wealthy by birth, Mr. Gore.
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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2007, 06:49:00 PM »
And not just one big home and a private jet. Seems Mr. Gore has several homes, and a sports car or two. Me son, who lives in Nashville, was telling me about it. Seems the local paper there has done some checking on their native son.

Has anyone noticed how environmentalism is creeping into the church papers?

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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2007, 10:48:00 PM »
A judge in England has ruled against the "documentary" made by Gore. Here are things that he said are not accurate.

The first mistake made by Mr Gore, said Mr Justice Burton in his written judgment, was in talking about the potential devastation wrought by a rise in sea levels caused by the melting of ice caps.

The claim that sea levels could rise by 20ft “in the near future” was dismissed as “distinctly alarmist”. Such a rise would take place “only after, and over, millennia”.

Mr Justice Burton added: “The ar-mageddon scenario he predicts, inso-far as it suggests that sea level rises of seven metres might occur in the immediate future, is not in line with the scientific consensus.”

A claim that atolls in the Pacific had already been evacuated was supported by “no evidence”, while to suggest that two graphs showing carbon dioxide levels and temperatures over the last 650,000 years were an “exact fit” overstated the case.

Mr Gore’s suggestion that the Gulf Stream, that warms up the Atlantic ocean, would shut down was contradicted by the International Panel on Climate Change’s assessment that it was “very unlikely” to happen.

The drying of Lake Chad, the loss of Mount Kilimanjaro’s snows and Hurricane Katrina were all blamed by Mr Gore on climate change but the judge said the scientific community had been unable to find evidence to prove there was a direct link.

The drying of Lake Chad, the judge said, was “far more likely to result from other factors, such as population increase and overgrazing, and regional climate variability”. The melting of snow on Mt Kilimanjaro was “mainly attributable to human-induced climate change”.

The judge also said there was no proof to support a claim that polar bears were drowning while searching for icy habitats melted by global warming. The only drowned polar bears the court was aware of were four that died following a storm.

Similarly, the judge took issue with the former Vice-President of the United States for attributing coral bleaching to climate change. Separating the direct impacts of climate change and other factors was difficult, the judgment concluded.

Despite finding nine significant errors the judge said many of the claims made by the film were fully backed up by the weight of science. He identified “four main scientific hypotheses, each of which is very well supported by research published in respected, peer-reviewed journals and accords with the latest conclusions of the IPCC”.

In particular, he agreed with the main thrust of Mr Gore’s arguments: “That climate change is mainly attributable to man-made emissions of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide (‘greenhouse gases’).”

The other three main points accepted by the judge were that global temperatures are rising and are likely to continue to rise, that climate change will cause serious damage if left unchecked, and that it is entirely possible for governments and individuals to reduce its impacts.

Sir Michael Burton has been a High Court judge since 1998.  source

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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2007, 07:39:43 AM »
Global warming is increasingly shown to be based upon belief system, rather than a careful examination of the truth.]

Gore gets a cold shoulder [Exerpts]

ONE of the world's foremost meteorologists has called the theory that helped Al Gore share the Nobel Peace Prize "ridiculous" and the product of "people who don't understand how the atmosphere works".

Dr William Gray, a pioneer in the science of seasonal hurricane forecasts, told a packed lecture hall at the University of North Carolina that humans were not responsible for the warming of the earth.

"We're brainwashing our children," said Dr Gray, 78, a long-time professor at Colorado State University. "They're going to the Gore movie [An Inconvenient Truth] and being fed all this. It's ridiculous."

Dr Gray, whose annual forecasts of the number of tropical storms and hurricanes are widely publicised, said a natural cycle of ocean water temperatures - related to the amount of salt in ocean water - was responsible for the global warming that he acknowledges has taken place.

However, he said, that same cycle meant a period of cooling would begin soon and last for several years.

"We'll look back on all of this in 10 or 15 years and realise how foolish it was," Dr Gray said.

He said his beliefs had made him an outsider in popular science.

"It bothers me that my fellow scientists are not speaking out against something they know is wrong," he said. "But they also know that they'd never get any grants if they spoke out. I don't care about grants."

[It is also interesting that others have compiled a number of serious errors in Gore's movie and a number of articles have appeared detailing the same:

http://uspolitics.tribe.net/thread/d6c8f149-d7f9-4eba-a5ab-8f7bdc616075.]

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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2008, 07:34:51 AM »
And not just one big home and a private jet. Seems Mr. Gore has several homes, and a sports car or two. Me son, who lives in Nashville, was telling me about it. Seems the local paper there has done some checking on their native son.

Has anyone noticed how environmentalism is creeping into the church papers?

Yes - again from the GC Stewardship Department. http://adventiststewardship.com/site/1/dynamic-steward/2004-2.pdf
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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2008, 05:44:55 PM »
I've been considering this issue on and off for awhile now. I believe we should do our best to be caretakers of the planet - that was the original job given to Adam and Eve; however, with sin, the decay of the earth is unstoppable. We should still do whatever is in our power to lessen our impact. As a friend of mine said recently, we cannot pollute the earth and think it has no effect.

On the other hand, we must also keep in mind that God values people above animals, plants and all other parts of creation.

That said, I believe that Global Warming is one of Satan's attempts to counteract the warnings God is giving through the elements. Even if portions are true because the earth is under the curse, it gives the world an out. If they can find a "scientific" reason for the flooding, the earthquakes, etc., then they can blame that and ignore the clear prophecies of Scripture that these things would come to pass with increased frequency, intensity and in varied locations as the coming of Jesus gets closer.



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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2008, 09:58:41 AM »

That said, I believe that Global Warming is one of Satan's attempts to counteract the warnings God is giving through the elements. Even if portions are true because the earth is under the curse, it gives the world an out. If they can find a "scientific" reason for the flooding, the earthquakes, etc., then they can blame that and ignore the clear prophecies of Scripture that these things would come to pass with increased frequency, intensity and in varied locations as the coming of Jesus gets closer.





You know, I've mostly thought of Global Warming as more of a political point.  At least, that's how some of the discussions have come across to me.  But now that you mention it, there is definitely a spiritual side to it as well!  Just another reminder that Satan is at work everywhere!   

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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2008, 03:02:52 PM »
I've been considering this issue on and off for awhile now. I believe we should do our best to be caretakers of the planet - that was the original job given to Adam and Eve; however, with sin, the decay of the earth is unstoppable. We should still do whatever is in our power to lessen our impact. As a friend of mine said recently, we cannot pollute the earth and think it has no effect.

On the other hand, we must also keep in mind that God values people above animals, plants and all other parts of creation.

That said, I believe that Global Warming is one of Satan's attempts to counteract the warnings God is giving through the elements. Even if portions are true because the earth is under the curse, it gives the world an out. If they can find a "scientific" reason for the flooding, the earthquakes, etc., then they can blame that and ignore the clear prophecies of Scripture that these things would come to pass with increased frequency, intensity and in varied locations as the coming of Jesus gets closer.





You make a good point.  Many of these environmental concerns are side issues, strategically crafted by the devil to keep the world preoccupied so they will not be ready for the crisis that is almost upon us.  We are definitely called to be good stewards of the earth, but, as you said, humans are more important than "snail darters," or other obscure endangered "species."  I would not be surprised to see extreme environmental restrictions contribute to economic hardships, which could play a part in the general chaos of the last days.  If the radical leftists in the Democratic Party get their way after the next election (assuming Democratic control of both houses of Congress + the presidency) we could see some very radical legislation.  Of course, if that happens it could lead to a backlash from the right in the next election.  Who knows?  We live in interesting times
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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2008, 10:39:04 PM »

That said, I believe that Global Warming is one of Satan's attempts to counteract the warnings God is giving through the elements. Even if portions are true because the earth is under the curse, it gives the world an out. If they can find a "scientific" reason for the flooding, the earthquakes, etc., then they can blame that and ignore the clear prophecies of Scripture that these things would come to pass with increased frequency, intensity and in varied locations as the coming of Jesus gets closer.

Amen!  I see that clearly being the case.  It is not God or Satan causing this, but wicked men who want to keep their families warm and get to work. It will also cause class warfare.  We were told this would happen and now I can see why the poor will be very upset. Gore and friends take away my wood stove to heat my home in a cold winter and He and his wealthy friends continue to fly in their Gulfstreams and drive their gas guzzlers and heat their 10,000 sq foot homes. Class struggle? Yes. And I will join in their protest. Take away my wood stove and I am all for taking away their Gulfstreams (private jets).

Yes as the rich get richer and the middle class disappears, you can bet their is going to be class warfare.  Satan delights in this and he is setting the stage for the trouble that is just at the door.
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Re: Global Warming?
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2008, 08:03:10 PM »
NASA Warning scientist: This is the last chance

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080623/ap_on_sc/sci_warming_scientist

Larry Lyons

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Re: Global Warming?
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2008, 08:57:50 PM »
NASA Warning scientist: This is the last chance

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080623/ap_on_sc/sci_warming_scientist
What the scientist says is consistent with what Buckminster Fuller wrote in his book "Critical Path" Published in 1981. The concept of "critical path" is from systems theory, I think. The idea as I understand it is that for a complicated project to succeed, such as things like "putting a man on the moon before the decade is out," to quote JFK, is that certain aspects of the project are on a timed schedule and if that aspect of the project is not completed by the target date the whole project will fail. He said that the earth was vulnerable and that reducing pollution was on a critical path that must be effected within a certain time frame or it will be too late.
 He said that the technology already existed at that time to reduce emissions,  and reduce pollution, but it requires the will to do it and the willingness to pay for it.
He was an encyclopedia of technological and scientific information and owned thousands of patents that were significant improvements over what is in use. If I recall correctly, after he died Stanford University was given custody of his papers and patents etc.