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« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2000, 05:15:00 PM »
Happy Sabbath, all.  :)

Brother Crawford, that is an excellent suggestion. It is one that we here at TRO can undertake. What a service this could be to the world. Many in the churches will not appreciate it, but there will be many who will. We ought not let this stop us. Think of the suffering that could be alleviated if we were to expand this knowledge around the world.  

Let us continue to pray and discuss how to best go about this.  

In His love and grace,     Richard

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« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2000, 05:40:00 PM »
Has anyone accessed these web sites:

www.notmilk.com

www.mad-cow.org

www.prwatch.org
Surely the Lord is warning the whole world. How can we stand by and not see the Lord's hand in this. We have been told in the S.O.P.that the Lord would let us know when the time to give up milk and eggs. The time is now.
There are books written by non church members that warn of these things.
Here is a small sampling:
"Mad Cowboy" by Howard Lyman
"Mad Cow U.S.A." by Sheldon Hampton and John Stauber
"Mad Cows and Milk Gate" by Virgil Hulse
"Milk the Deadly Poision" by Robert Cohen

Because of greed the animal creation is groaning under disease.
In the Sept. 1,1997 issue of U. S. News and World Report is an article intitled "The next bad beef scandal?" This is an eye opener as to what they are feeding the cattle!!!!! They don't care about the consumer, it's just their pocket book!!!!!!! A word to the wise.
My husband shares these things with his Sabbath School class, and many are concerned.  

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« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2000, 07:13:00 PM »
Sister Helen, happy Sabbath!  You will be blessed to know that Dr. Hulse was a faithful Seventh-day Adventist physician educated at Loma Linda.  God is working in ways we do not see.  :)

And, he is working in Sabbath School classes around the world we do not see. Thanks for encouraging us with your husband's faithfulness.

One additional word of encouragement, go to our Web Sites forum and there you will find a few other faithful servants that are doing good work for the Lord in this area.

Thanks for the information.

In His love and grace,     Richard

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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2000, 07:55:00 PM »
Bro. Richard

Sorry,I did make a mistake on Dr. Hulse account. He has written a timely book. I just wish that more members would take heed.

Have a happy Sabbath.
Helen

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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2002, 03:00:00 PM »
Aug. 9

The first Canadian, a man, has died from contracting Creutzfeldt-Jakob (mad cow) disease. "There is no evidence that mad cow disease has entered the Canadian food supply, and therefore we can reassure the Canadian public the person did not acquire the disease in Canada," said Dr. Antonio Giulivi, an official with the Canadian government agency, Health Canada.


http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Living/ap20020809_371.html

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« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2002, 04:28:00 AM »

The human form of mad cow disease is more widespread than iis being admitted and only time will tell.

By the way - OPra and "The Mad Cowboy" were again aquitted for remarks made against the dairy and beef industry when he was interviewed on Opra a couple of years ago.

Below is an article on the threat to Brits oncontracting the human form of Mad Cow Disease

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« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2002, 04:30:00 AM »
From IntelliHealth Online

More Than 7,000 Britons Could Be At Risk Of Human Form Of Mad Cow Disease: Report
September 20, 2002
LONDON (AP) -- More than 7,000 people in Britain could face an increased risk of contracting the human form of the fatal brain wasting illness mad cow disease, according to research published Friday.
According to preliminary results of an ongoing study published in the British Medical Journal, 120 people per million could be at increased risk of variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, but have not yet developed symptoms.
Variant CJD has killed some 80 Europeans since the mid-1990s, mostly in Britain, which has diagnosed more than 100 cases.
A team led by David Hilton of Derriford Hospital in Plymouth, southern England, studied samples from appendix and tonsil removal operations for traces of the disease.
They looked for the accumulation of prion protein, a known reliable marker of bovine spongiform encephalopathy or BSE, in cows.
From 8,318 samples studied, one showed traces of the prion protein.
The scientists also looked at tissue removed during autopsy or during surgery from patients who were later confirmed as having variant CJD, and found 19 out of 20 showed traces of the prion protein.
Based on the one positive case per 8,318 samples, the researchers estimated that 120 people per million could have a detectable accumulation of prion protein, but said the margin of error was high. The research, which is funded by Britain's health department, is set to run for a further year.
"This finding shows that we need larger scale studies particularly of tissue from recently removed tonsils so that we can obtain a more reliable picture of the possible numbers of people who may develop vCJD," said Hilton, a consultant neuropathologist.
"We have confirmed that there are individuals in the population carrying this disease silently but we don't know if they will go on to develop symptoms for sure," he added.
It appears to be contracted by eating meat tainted by mad cow disease. Prions cause deep lesions and sponge-like holes in brain tissue. There is no known cure.
Currently, the surest way of confirming infection with variant CJD is by examining brain tissue after death.
Scientists don't know how long the incubation period is and don't know how many people have been infected with the disease. In the past they have estimated that anywhere between a few hundred to 100,000 people could eventually be struck.
If 120 people per million could have an accumulation of prion protein, then based on the population in the United Kingdom of just under 60 million, some 7,200 people could be at increased risk of variant CJD.
The Chief Medical Officer, Sir Liam Donaldson, said more research needed to be done.
"This research provides evidence of infection but it is very hard to draw conclusions on the size of the outbreak from it," he said.
He announced plans to set up an archive of tonsils so more research could be conducted.
"The archive will allow prospective studies to be done on the largest possible number of tonsils so that we can get better estimates of the size of the vCJD epidemic," he added.
Dr. John Collinge of the Institute of Neurology in London told the British Broadcasting Corp. that the tests may not have been sensitive enough and up to four times as many cases could have been found.
"You don't know whether this is one sample that has been found in a very tiny number of the population which was fortuitously picked up by the study or whether it is the tip of an iceberg," he said.
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« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2002, 04:53:00 AM »
And now the Genetic Cure - Change the Genes in a new breed of cows to fight off the Mad Cow spread to cattle.
As SOP tels us, in the last days the use of meat will become more objectionable. Here we see it is not only Mad Cows but what will possibly be identified as "Clean Beef".

Study: Breeding Could Avert Mad Cow
September 24, 2002
WASHINGTON (AP) -- In a study that could help develop cattle bred to resist mad cow disease, researchers showed in a laboratory experiment that a mutated protein may protect animals from the prion protein that causes the brain-destroying disorder.

Researchers at the University of California, San Francisco, reported that they genetically altered a strain of mice so the animals made a mutated form of prions which then prevented the animals from becoming ill when injected with a form of prion that usually causes the brain disease.

"We found that the (genetically engineered) mouse became completely resistant to the prion disease," said Dr. Jiri G. Safar, a co-author of the study appearing this week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Safar said he and his colleagues now hope to develop a genetically engineered strain of cattle which is resistant to mad cow, known formally as bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or BSE.

Patrick W. Dunne, a veterinary scientist at Texas A&M and a BSE researcher, called the study by Safar and his colleagues "a breakthrough."

"This means that prion diseases in livestock could be at least inhibited, if not eliminated," said Dunne. "It is a very significant finding."

Prion diseases include BSE in cattle, scrapie in sheep and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease in humans. There is also a related wasting disease in deer and elk. The diseases are caused by an abnormal form of the prion protein that makes the normal form of prion change its shape and become infectious. The abnormal prion causes the progressive, irreversible destruction of brain cells. The disease is fatal in all species where it occurs.

An epidemic of mad cow disease developed in Britain in the 1980s after cattle there were given feed that included body parts from sheep with scrapie. Researchers later found that some people developed a form of prion disease, called new variant-Crutchfeld-Jacob Disease, after eating meat from infected cattle. The discovery caused a temporary ban on the import of British beef in many countries and the destruction of thousands of cattle in the United Kingdom.

More than 100 people in Europe have been diagnosed with new variant-CJD, but that form of prion disease has not been diagnosed in the United States. A type of CJD not related to eating meat, however, does occur in the United States.

In the new study, Safar and his co-authors, which includes Stanley B. Prusiner, who was awarded a Nobel Prize for discovering prion disease, found that by altering the genes of mice they could make the animals resistant to the brain-destroying disease.

Safar said earlier studies in Japan and elsewhere had suggested that some mutated forms of prion prevented the disease-causing form of the protein from causing disease.

To test this idea, researchers engineered a mouse strain with genes that caused key changes in the amino acids that make up the prion protein. When mature, the mice were injected with high doses of the disease-causing form of prion.

Although some of the test animals did form some pathogenic prions, none of them developed the full blown prion disease. Safar called this the "silent expression" of the diseased prion.

In contrast, mice with the normal type of prion developed a fatal brain disorder when they were injected with the disease-causing form of prion.

With selective genetic engineering, Safar said, "it is possible we could wipe out even the silent expression and transmission of the pathogenic prion."

Safar said that altering the prion gene to make it resistant to the disease is better than eliminating the gene altogether, as some have suggested. Taking out the gene altogether, he said, could cause subtle health changes in the animals since normal prions play a role in brain cell maintenance.

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« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2002, 09:03:00 PM »
Wow!
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« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2002, 06:43:00 AM »
HI,

I heard a brief news bulletin but have not seen the article. If anyone has please let me know where I can get it. The news release said that the Court case between the Cattle and Dairy industry vs Oprah & The Mad Cowboy was thrown out. The first case was also thrown out and the Cattlemena dn Dairy farmers took it to a higher US court.

Please let me know (email) where I can get the article.

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« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2002, 02:36:00 PM »
Br. Curt....

This is from Howard Lyman's, the Mad Cowboy's web page:

Special Announcement: 8-27-02

It's OVER. The verdict on the most recent appeal by "Cactus Feeders" against Oprah Winfrey and Howard Lyman, to a Federal Court has been dismissed. After almost 6 years and many millions of dollats in lawyer's fees, the case is over. Oprah and Howard won and the group that appealed is not permitted to appeal this verdict to a higher court (ie. the Supreme Court) or pursue the matter any more.

The original trial was in Feb. 1998 in Amarrillo, Texas... The April 1998 verdict was for Oprah and Howard. After several appeals...on August 27, 2002, the Federal judge dismissed the case, which means the case is over, statute of limitations has expired. The case cannot be filed again, anywhere...including the Supreme Court.

For the complete background and account see: www.madcowboy.com/01_BookOP.000.html

~Suzanne~  


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« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2002, 05:11:00 PM »
Suzanne,

thank you very much for the post. I did visit his website and browsed a few articles. Free Speech Is Alive and we should use it for the education of all.
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« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2003, 01:17:00 PM »
In order to understand what is being done by the U.S. and others responsible for alerting the public of the danger from BSE (Mad Cow Disease) and the associated diseases, we must learn a few terms being used and what they mean.

Transmissible spongiform  encephalopathies (TSEs) include Mad Cow Disease, Scarpie in sheep, Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD)in deer and elk, and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) in humans.  Few consider that the scrapie in European and American sheep, and CWD in deer can infect humans.

From the World Health Organization

Transmissible spongiform
                   encephalopathies (TSEs) are a family
                   of diseases of humans and animals
                   characterized by spongy degeneration
                   of the brain with severe and fatal
                   neurological signs and symptoms. In
                   animals, scrapie is a common disease
                   in sheep and goats. Mink and North
                   American mule deer and elk can
                   contract TSEs. Bovine spongiform
                   encephalopathy (BSE) is also a TSE,
                   affecting a number of species (cattle, human, cats, some types of animals
                   in 300 settings).

                   BSE is a transmissible, neuro-degenerative fatal brain disease of cattle.
                   The disease has a long incubation period of 4-5 years and it is fatal for
                   cattle within weeks to months of its onset. The nature of the BSE agent is
                   still being debated. Strong evidence currently available supports the theory
                   that the agent is composed largely, if not entirely, of a self-replicating
                   protein, referred to as a prion. It is transmitted through the consumption of
                   BSE-contaminated meat and bone meal supplements in cattle feed.

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« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2003, 08:04:00 AM »
The United States has a very large meat industry that is at risk. With the discovery of a "mad cow" in Canada, who shares an open border and similar feed products for their cattle, the United States has now added Canada to the list of countries from which it will not import cow and it's products.

With the discovery of BSE in Canada, Americans are now in a position to wonder as to their own health. Canada has exported a very large amount of it's beef to the United States.

Japan also is having problems since they discovered mad cows in their country. They had a fraud difficulty in their meat industry and and trying to recover. Here is a quote from the Japan Times regarding how the BSE got into Japan. "To increase production, cattle were fed animal protein-based feed, even though this ran counter to their physiology, he said."

From the U.S. Federal Register we have the Canada issue:

Rules and Regulations
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DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE

Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service

9 CFR Parts 93 and 94

[Docket No. 03-058-1]


Change in Disease Status of Canada Because of BSE

AGENCY: Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, USDA.

ACTION: Interim rule and request for comments.

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SUMMARY: We are amending the regulations by adding Canada to the list
of regions where bovine spongiform encephalopathy exists because the
disease has been detected in an animal in that region. This action
prohibits or restricts the importation of ruminants that have been in
Canada and meat, meat products, and certain other products and
byproducts of ruminants that have been in Canada. This action is
necessary to help prevent the introduction of bovine spongiform
encephalopathy into the United States.

DATES: This rule is effective retroactively to May 20, 2003. We will
consider all comments that we receive on or before July 28, 2003.

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« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2003, 04:36:00 AM »
   

WHO conclusions and recommendations to reduce exposure to the BSE agent


All countries must prohibit the use of ruminant tissues in ruminant feed and must exclude tissues that are likely to contain the BSE agent from any animal or human food chain. BSE eradication was recommended during a WHO consultation held in December 1999.
All countries are encouraged to conduct risk assessments to determine if they are at risk for BSE in sheep and goats. It is advised that any tissue which may come from deer or elk with Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD, a transmissible spongiform disease of North American mule deer and elk) is not used in animal or human food; however, at this time there is no evidence to suggest that CWD in deer and elk can be transmitted to humans.
No infectivity has yet been detected in skeletal muscle tissue. Reassurance can be provided by removal of visible nervous and lymphatic tissue from meat (skeletal muscle).
Milk and milk products are considered safe. Tallow and gelatin are considered safe if prepared by a manufacturing process which has been shown experimentally to inactivate the transmissible agent and, if prepared from specifically identified tissues, or from cattle without risk of exposure to BSE.
Human and veterinary vaccines prepared from bovine materials may carry the risk of transmission of animal TSE agents. The pharmaceutical industry should ideally avoid the use of bovine materials and materials from other animal species in which TSEs naturally occur. If absolutely necessary, bovine materials should be obtained from countries which have a surveillance system for BSE in place and which report either zero or only sporadic cases of BSE. These precautions apply to the manufacture of cosmetics as well.

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« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2003, 04:50:00 AM »
From the World Health Organization information above we can learn a lot.

"at this time there is no evidence to suggest that CWD in deer and elk can be transmitted to humans."

If we value our health, we can put this another way. "At this time there is no evidence to suggest it is safe to eat deer and elk."

Continuing from the WHO statement:  "Milk and milk products are considered safe."

No studies have been done on humans to indicate it is safe to drink milk from Mad Cows.

"Tallow and gelatin are considered safe if prepared by a manufacturing process which has been shown experimentally to inactivate the transmissible agent and, if prepared from    specifically identified tissues, or from cattle without risk of exposure to BSE."

The suggestion that a manufacturing process can "inactivate" mad cow in gelatin was an industry suggestion that is incorrect.

"Human and veterinary vaccines prepared from bovine materials may carry the risk of transmission of animal TSE agents."

Eating animal products is dangerous, injecting them into the blood stream is even more so.

"These precautions apply to the manufacture of cosmetics as well."

Something to consider when we wash our hands with soap made from cows and sheep that may have BSE or Scrapie.

There is more here than meets the eye of the casual observer.

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« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2003, 09:11:00 AM »
The following is what I have been able to come up with as to the extent of the problem as it is being reported. I would suggest that it is only the tip of a very large iceberg.


Country..........BSE total.......Cases of vCJD
               
                           
                     

UK.................183341........... 129
Austria...............1
Belgium.............111
Canada...............1..................1
CzechRepublic......5
Denmark............13
Finland................1
France.............808..................6
Germany...........252
Greece...............1
Ireland...........1271..................1
Israel.................1
Italy...............100...................1
Japan.................7
Liechtenstein.......2
Luxembourg.........2
Netherlands.........60
Portugal.............750
Poland................5
Slovakia.............12
Slovenia..............3
Spain.................272
Switzerland.........437
USA.....................0.................1
             

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« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2003, 09:18:00 AM »
Some may feel very comfortable in eating animal products when they see no or little difficulty in their own country with vCJD. Let me exlain something that the world does not know, but that we do.

vCJD has been directly tied in with the Mad Cows in the UK. But, there are other forms of Mad Cow Diseas in people besides vCJD. They are known as TSEs and are found in many animals. There is a CJD that is called "sporadic". It is not seen by most in government and industry to be communicated from animal to man so there is littel concern for preventing CJD unless it is vCJD.

It is sad that the church has not been active in this area since it possess great light. The chances are very good that there is a relationship between sporadic CJD and the eating of animals and their products that are infected with s TSE.

TSEs are transmissible spongiform brain diseases in humans and animals. TSEs
are fatal, there is no way prophylaxis or of cure. Apart from scrapie which is
a well described disease in sheep and goats, five more TSEs in mammals are
known: the bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) in cattle, the chronic wasting
disease (CWD) in deer, the transmissible mink encephalopathy (TME), the feline
spongiform encephalopathy (FSE) in cats and another spongiform encephalopathy
in antelopes (greater kudu). Single cases of unusual TSEs were found in animals of
the London Zoo (e.g. cheetah and puma), which are thought to be due to BSE
infected feed. Another unusual case of TSE was diagnosed in an ostrich of Hanover
Zoo. A transmission to pigs was possible only experimentally, but was never
described to have happened in nature. There are four different kinds of TSEs in
humans: the Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD),
Gerstmann-Sträussler-Scheinker-Syndrome (GSS), fatal familiar insomnia and
Kuru.

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« Reply #38 on: June 08, 2003, 06:15:00 PM »
Robert Cohen, author of the book  MILK...The Deadly Piosion, has a web site that everyone should visit!!!!!
www.notmilk.com   and to all SDA's a GIFT
check it out
www.GodsNutritionist.com

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« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2003, 08:40:00 PM »
OH PRAISE THE LORD!!!

What a wonderful man! This is so beautiful! Truly a gift. A man that has such a wide influence taking up the cause is so wondeful!Praise the Lord for people who God can use when those who have much light refuse to shine!

Amen!!!

God bless you Robert Cohen!!!

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