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Re: What Will Happen as Trump Wins Presidency?
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2017, 05:47:47 AM »
For two thousand years Christian churches spoke out against politicians and/or current policies that did not agree with Christian morality, as was their right. For only sixty years has churches been denied this freedom. Why did this restriction come about? It was only because churches in Texas were speaking out against the lack of morals of Lyndon Johnson when he was running for re-election. This was his way of silencing those who spoke out against his crooked dealings and were forbidden to do so or lose their tax exemptions.

This threat has only been used against conservative churches and never against liberal churches. Every election we see liberal candidates speaking in those churches that support liberal ideology, and receiving their open endorsement from the pulpit. These liberal leaning churches have always openly endorsed liberal candidates and ideals and never are threatened with losing their tax exemptions. The removal of this threat against conservative leaning churches will be removed and they will not be silenced by the government any more. Then all churches will be treated the same.

We read in history of the churches and pastors who openly spoke out against the tyranny of the British government and its king. From them the motto of the Revolution was born..."No king but King Jesus." We read of Adventist leaders, including EGW, speaking out against slavery and the consumption and manufacture of alcoholic beverages. They also spoke out against those politicians who supported these sins. If the Johnson Amendment had existed they, and many others throughout history, would have been silenced.
My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me....That is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave."
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Re: What Will Happen as Trump Wins Presidency?
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2017, 06:05:59 AM »
We read of Adventist leaders, including EGW, speaking out against slavery and the consumption and manufacture of alcoholic beverages. They also spoke out against those politicians who supported these sins. If the Johnson Amendment had existed they, and many others throughout history, would have been silenced.

Cop, I'm not sure what people you understand that our early leaders spoke out against. Mrs. White had very very strong language about leaving politics out of the church. Speaking for health reform is a lot different than bringing in all the political baggage of individual people or a whole party. It hinders the gospel and appeals to the carnal side of man. To borrow a phrase from a friend... Jesus was a revolutionary of the heart not of government. Not once do we have an example of Jesus getting involved in Roman politics of His day.

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Re: What Will Happen as Trump Wins Presidency?
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2017, 07:01:52 AM »
We all know that they spoke strongly against slavery often and for casting votes against those who supported it. I will not post on that subject.  But just on the subject of voting against temperance we read:


In the early summer of 1881 at the Des Moines, Iowa, camp meeting, a resolution was placed before the delegates which read:

[A page from Ellen G. White’s 1859 diary.] “Attended meeting in the eve. Had quite a free, interesting meeting. After it was time to close, the subject of voting was considered and dwelt upon. James first talked, then Brother Andrews talked, and it was thought by them best to give their influence in favor of right and against wrong. They think it right to vote in favor of temperance men being in office in our city instead of by their silence running the risk of having intemperance men put in office." {Te 255}

“Resolved, That we express our deep interest in the temperance movement now going forward in this state; and that we instruct all our ministers to use their influence among our churches and with the people at large to induce them to put forth every consistent effort, by personal labor, and at the ballot box, in favor of the prohibitory amendment of the Constitution, which the friends of temperance are seeking to secure.”—The Review and Herald, July 5, 1881.
 But some objected to the clause which called for action at “the ballot box,” and urged its deletion. Mrs. White, who was attending this camp meeting, had retired, but she was summoned to give her counsel. {Te 255.5}

Writing of it at the time she says: “I dressed and found I was to speak to the point of whether our people should vote for prohibition. I told them ‘yes,’ and spoke twenty minutes.”—Letter 6, 1881. {Te 255.6}


“Men of intemperance have been in the office today in a flattering manner expressing their approbation of the course of the sabbathkeepers not voting and expressed hopes that they will stick to their course and like the quakers, not cast their vote. Satan and his evil angels are busy at this time, and he has workers upon the earth. May Satan be disappointed, is my prayer.”—E.G. White diary, sunday, March 6, 1859. {Te 256.1}


"How can Christian men and women tolerate this evil? ...There is a cause for the moral paralysis upon society. Our laws sustain an evil which is sapping their very foundations. Many deplore the wrongs which they know exist, but consider themselves free from all responsibility in the matter. This cannot be. Every individual exerts an influence in society. In our favored land, every voter has some voice in determining what laws shall control the nation. Should not that influence and that vote be cast on the side of temperance and virtue? ...The advocates of temperance fail to do their whole duty unless they exert their influence by precept and example—by voice and pen and vote— in favor of prohibition and total abstinence....." {GW 387}


"The first day of the week is not a day to be reverenced. It is a spurious sabbath, and the members of the Lord’s family cannot participate with the men who exalt this day, and violate the law of God by trampling upon His Sabbath. The people of God are not to vote to place such men in office; for when they do this, they are partakers with them of the sins which they commit while in office." {FE 475}

"Intemperate men should not by vote of the people be placed in positions of trust".—The Signs of the Times, July 8, 1880.
My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me....That is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave."
— Stonewall Jackson

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Re: What Will Happen as Trump Wins Presidency?
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2017, 09:48:53 AM »
Hey Cop, like I said earlier voting and speaking about health reform is a much different topic that supporting a political party or a person from the pulpit or our presses.
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